Re: mergemaster -U ask for a lot non-user modified files

2011-02-24 Thread David Demelier
On 24/02/2011 07:05, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 23/02/2011 22:14, Lowell Gilbert wrote: David Demelierdemelier.da...@gmail.com writes: I also noticed that even with the -F flag, mergemaster still asks for files that only differs by CVS id, see : -# $FreeBSD: src/etc/sendmail/freebsd.mc,v

Re: mergemaster -U ask for a lot non-user modified files

2011-02-24 Thread Arthur Chance
On 02/24/11 06:05, Matthew Seaman wrote: [Snip mergemaster options discussion.] Doing this certainly works for me -- frequently the only file I get asked about is /etc/motd And if you don't care about updating /etc/motd (the first line is automagically updated every boot anyway) add

Tuning routing table size in FreeBSD 8.0 and 7.2

2011-02-24 Thread nikitha
Hi, Could you plz share the information on the maximum number of routes that can be added (by default) in FREEBSD 8.0/7.2 kernel? In Linux the sysctl rt_max_size is used. Is there a similar tunable parameter in freeBSD? Your earliest reply in this regard is much appreciated. Thanks for any

Re: Tuning routing table size in FreeBSD 8.0 and 7.2

2011-02-24 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On 2/24/11 3:00 PM, nikitha wrote: Hi, Could you plz share the information on the maximum number of routes that can be added (by default) in FREEBSD 8.0/7.2 kernel? In Linux the sysctl rt_max_size is used. Is there a similar tunable parameter in freeBSD? Your earliest reply in this regard

HAL's demise

2011-02-24 Thread Jerry
Excerpt from freedesktop.org mailing list: quote Also, is going away is a bit of an understatement, it's really quite dead. GNOME switched over a year ago, KDE and XFCE finished the transition a couple of months back (see [1]). The major distros don't even install it by default any more, or at

RE: Tuning routing table size in FreeBSD 8.0 and 7.2

2011-02-24 Thread Gary Gatten
Sysctl -a lists all options. This MAY be what you want: net.inet.ip.rtmaxcache - Upper limit on dynamically learned routes http://people.freebsd.org/~hmp/utilities/satbl/sysctl-net.html HTH Gary -Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org

Re: HAL's demise

2011-02-24 Thread Warren Block
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011, Jerry wrote: Is FreeBSD now HAL free or is it still a requirement? I still have it activated via /etc/rc.conf If it is not needed, I would be happy to remove the entry. It's not a requirement. You can build xorg-server without it, and there are other mechanisms

upgrading apr from v0 to v1 via portupgrade?

2011-02-24 Thread Aleksandr Miroslav
I recently moved my server to a new box and in the process of doing that, I upgraded from FreeBSD 7.3 to 8.1. When I say I moved, I mean I backed up all my personal data (databases, config values, etc.), made a list of all packages, and installed an identical box with the same pacakges. Recently

Re: Tuning routing table size in FreeBSD 8.0 and 7.2

2011-02-24 Thread Nikos Vassiliadis
On 2/24/2011 4:51 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: On 2/24/11 3:00 PM, nikitha wrote: Hi, Could you plz share the information on the maximum number of routes that can be added (by default) in FREEBSD 8.0/7.2 kernel? In Linux the sysctl rt_max_size is used. Is there a similar tunable parameter in

Re: upgrading apr from v0 to v1 via portupgrade?

2011-02-24 Thread ill...@gmail.com
On 24 February 2011 11:09, Aleksandr Miroslav alexmiros...@gmail.com wrote: I recently moved my server to a new box and in the process of doing that, I upgraded from FreeBSD 7.3 to 8.1. When I say I moved, I mean I backed up all my personal data (databases, config values, etc.), made a list

Re: How to forward old root mails to an external email address?

2011-02-24 Thread David Brodbeck
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Bill Tillman btillma...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, but in the good ol' USA it's all about the money. They will not let me do anything like this unless I pay more to upgrade my service. The wierd thing is that once in a blue moon my IP address will change. Then I can

Re: Tuning routing table size in FreeBSD 8.0 and 7.2

2011-02-24 Thread nikitha
Thank you all, for your timely reply.. To answer Niko's question: Just i'm doing some performance/stress testing of a freebsd router.. :-) -Sumi On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:11 PM, Nikos Vassiliadis nv...@gmx.com wrote: On 2/24/2011 4:51 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: On 2/24/11 3:00 PM, nikitha

Re: HAL's demise

2011-02-24 Thread Edwin L. Culp W.
2011/2/24 Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011, Jerry wrote: Is FreeBSD now HAL free or is it still a requirement? I still have it activated via /etc/rc.conf If it is not needed, I would be happy to remove the entry. It's not a requirement.  You can build xorg-server without

8.1-p2 uart appears hopelessly broken

2011-02-24 Thread Lars Eighner
Through the years I have become accustomed to having to have a hardware modem. 7.2 sio correctly identifies my modem as a 3-COM PCI FAX/MODEM and correct identifies the chip as 16550A. In 8.1 uart calls the same device an unstandard ns8250 uart. Nonetheless, tun0 can fireup at boot. But it is

How to push privoxy traffic through squid?

2011-02-24 Thread Ed Flecko
Hi folks, I have squid installed and working fine using its default settings; if I set my browser proxy to the server address:3128 , everything works fine. I've edited the Privoxy config file and commented out: debug 1 # Log the destination for each request Privoxy let through. debug

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Andres Perera andres.p at zoho.com writes: Nowadays all shells supports $() so I advise you to use it :). no, not all shells support $() They do, it’s mandated by POSIX. There’s no reason to support the accidentally non-combining accent gravis (so-called “backtick”¹) any more, unless you

Re: variable line-display pager?

2011-02-24 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Gary Kline kline at thought.org writes: For instance, say that my xterm/console/Konsole is 80x53 lines. My text file is around 200 lines long and I want to use more or less or some GUI pager to display only 15 lines at one time. Tapping the space bar would display another 15 lines and so on

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Andres Perera
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Thorsten Glaser t...@mirbsd.org wrote: Andres Perera andres.p at zoho.com writes: Nowadays all shells supports $() so I advise you to use it :). no, not all shells support $() They do, it’s mandated by POSIX. There’s no reason to support the accidentally

Re: HAL's demise

2011-02-24 Thread Rob Farmer
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Edwin L. Culp W. edwinlc...@gmail.com wrote: Sounded like a good idea to me but ;) pkg_deinstall hal-0.5.14_12 ---  Deinstalling 'hal-0.5.14_12' pkg_delete: package 'hal-0.5.14_12' is required by these other packages That list is recursive - kdelibs4 depends

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Andres Perera andres.p at zoho.com writes: mandated by posix and reality usually aren't in sync, as i'm sure you know by In this case, closely enough. now since you pointed out solaris It’s just /bin/sh on long outdated versions (newer ones, both from Horracle and not, have ATT ksh93 there

Re: How to push privoxy traffic through squid?

2011-02-24 Thread Ed Flecko
Thanks Berk, Nope...no dice, that won't work either. More suggestions??? :-) Ed ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to

Re: How to push privoxy traffic through squid?

2011-02-24 Thread Berk Gulenler
On 02/24/2011 10:09 PM, Ed Flecko wrote: Hi folks, I have squid installed and working fine using its default settings; if I set my browser proxy to the server address:3128 , everything works fine. I've edited the Privoxy config file and commented out: debug 1 # Log the destination for

Re: How to push privoxy traffic through squid?

2011-02-24 Thread Berk Gulenler
On 02/24/2011 10:09 PM, Ed Flecko wrote: Hi folks, I have squid installed and working fine using its default settings; if I set my browser proxy to the server address:3128 , everything works fine. I've edited the Privoxy config file and commented out: debug 1 # Log the destination for

Re: How to push privoxy traffic through squid?

2011-02-24 Thread RW
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:09:04 -0800 Ed Flecko edfle...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, I have squid installed and working fine using its default settings; if I set my browser proxy to the server address:3128 , everything works fine. ... and I've added: listen-address 127.0.0.1:8118 and

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Rob Farmer
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Thorsten Glaser t...@mirbsd.org wrote: Andres Perera andres.p at zoho.com writes: mandated by posix and reality usually aren't in sync, as i'm sure you know by In this case, closely enough. now since you pointed out solaris It’s just /bin/sh on long

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Rob Farmer rfarmer at predatorlabs.net writes: Have you used the default FreeBSD shell (tcsh) recently? tcsh is not a shell. Well, it’s an interactive command line interpreter, not a bad one compared to what else is offered at that, but… http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/shell/csh-whynot/

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Jerry
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:02:22 -0800 Rob Farmer rfar...@predatorlabs.net articulated: Have you used the default FreeBSD shell (tcsh) recently? [rfarmer@sapphire] ~ echo $(date ) Illegal variable name. Since I use Bash as my default shell, I never suffer from that problem. I was wondering if

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Andres Perera
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:02:22 -0800 Rob Farmer rfar...@predatorlabs.net articulated: Have you used the default FreeBSD shell (tcsh) recently? [rfarmer@sapphire] ~ echo $(date ) Illegal variable name. Since I use Bash

how to enable sticky keys in xorg?

2011-02-24 Thread Neil Short
can sticky keys (SHIFT. ALT and CTRL hold until the next key is pressed) be enabled in x11-input.fdi? I wish to enable this accessibility option without resorting to KDE or GNOME. == ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Rob Farmer
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Thorsten Glaser t...@mirbsd.org wrote: Rob Farmer rfarmer at predatorlabs.net writes: Have you used the default FreeBSD shell (tcsh) recently? tcsh is not a shell. Well, it’s an interactive command line interpreter, not a bad one compared to what else is

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Rob Farmer dixit: (New) people will still copy and paste commands into an interactive tcsh That’s a FreeBSD® specific issue though. Other operating systems did the sensible thing ages ago ☺ Even then, I tend to disagree here. There’s the common use of ‘% ’ and ‘$ ’ (and ‘# ’ but we use sudo(8)

Re: How to push privoxy traffic through squid?

2011-02-24 Thread Ed Flecko
Gentlemen, I think I have it! https://www.antagonism.org/web/squid-proxy.shtml The key is to add: cache_peer localhost parent 8118 0 default no-query no-digest no-netdb-exchange never_direct allow all to the squid.conf file (/usr/local/etc/squid/squid.conf) and have squid re-read its .conf

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 09:36:37PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Rob Farmer dixit: (New) people will still copy and paste commands into an interactive tcsh That’s a FreeBSD® specific issue though. Other operating systems did the sensible thing ages ago ☺ What exactly is the sensible

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread ill...@gmail.com
On 24 February 2011 16:05, Thorsten Glaser t...@mirbsd.org wrote: Rob Farmer rfarmer at predatorlabs.net writes: Have you used the default FreeBSD shell (tcsh) recently? tcsh is not a shell. Well, it’s an interactive command line interpreter, not a bad one compared to what else is offered

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Chad Perrin perrin at apotheon.com writes: That’s a FreeBSD® specific issue though. Other operating systems did the sensible thing ages ago ☺ What exactly is the sensible thing? http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/src/usr.sbin/user/ user.c.diff?r1=1.116r2=1.117only_with_tag=MAIN

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 09:59:40PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Chad Perrin perrin at apotheon.com writes: That’s a FreeBSD® specific issue though. Other operating systems did the sensible thing ages ago ☺ What exactly is the sensible thing?

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Chad Perrin perrin at apotheon.com writes: 1. You think some measure of popularity of a decision makes it correct. No. 2. You don't like (t)csh. No. I just point out it’s not a suitable scripting shell. 3. You think your opinions are so self-evident that everybody will just immediately

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Chad Perrin on Thursday, 24 February 2011: snip What we have not yet determined is: 1. Is it a good idea to replace (t)csh? -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Though I dislike the OP's dismissal of backticks, I must admit that I would

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:24:37 -0800, Rob Farmer rfar...@predatorlabs.net wrote: (New) people will still copy and paste commands into an interactive tcsh, so it is a good idea to be compatible when posting stuff to the mailing lists, etc. if possible. There was something on the ports@ list a

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:34:25PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Chad Perrin perrin at apotheon.com writes: 1. You think some measure of popularity of a decision makes it correct. No. Why do you substitute others' email messages for an actual, direct response to my question, then?

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 24/02/2011 22:39, Chip Camden wrote: I suppose I could change root to /bin/sh, but that doesn't even have command recall. set -o emacs Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Matthew Seaman on Thursday, 24 February 2011: On 24/02/2011 22:39, Chip Camden wrote: I suppose I could change root to /bin/sh, but that doesn't even have command recall. set -o emacs Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 02:39:24PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: Quoth Chad Perrin on Thursday, 24 February 2011: What we have not yet determined is: 1. Is it a good idea to replace (t)csh? Though I dislike the OP's dismissal of backticks, I must admit that I would prefer that the

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:58:34 -0800, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Thanks for that -- though I'll go with: set -o vi TYVM. I didn't know /bin/sh supported those modes. It's hardly known as /bin/sh is _not_ used for interactive comunication regularly, as it's basically

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 11:40:44PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:24:37 -0800, Rob Farmer rfar...@predatorlabs.net wrote: I've read it before. Who hasn't? I haven't. :-) While reading it, just keep this in mind: It's about programming in csh. It's not about using csh

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Andres Perera
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: 1. Is it a good idea to replace (t)csh? mksh is better than tcsh for everything ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:54:25 -0700, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 11:40:44PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:24:37 -0800, Rob Farmer rfar...@predatorlabs.net wrote: I've read it before. Who hasn't? I haven't. :-) While reading

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Andres Perera, Am 2011-02-20 22:19:49, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: that's not true :-D echo `echo 1\`echo 2\\\`echo 3\\\`echo 4\\\`\\\`\`` Backslash Orgies! Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant

RE: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Gary Gatten
-Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Polytropon Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 5:13 PM To: Chad Perrin Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:54:25

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 06:42:18PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: 1. Is it a good idea to replace (t)csh? mksh is better than tcsh for everything Thank you for your opinion, but it's just an opinion with no explanation,

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 05:18:03PM -0600, Gary Gatten wrote: Everyone is wrong! pfmsh is the best at everything, period. It does everything you can possibly think of today and tomorrow. It doesn't require any upgrades, ever. It's 100% secure. It doesn't use any memory or other resources,

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Andres Perera
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Gary Gatten ggat...@waddell.com wrote: Everyone is wrong! pfmsh is the best at everything, period.  It does everything you can possibly think of today and tomorrow.  It doesn't require any upgrades, ever.  It's 100% secure.  It doesn't use any memory or other

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Gary Gatten on Thursday, 24 February 2011: Everyone is wrong! pfmsh is the best at everything, period. It does everything you can possibly think of today and tomorrow. It doesn't require any upgrades, ever. It's 100% secure. It doesn't use any memory or other resources, $hit, it

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 07:00:11PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Gary Gatten ggat...@waddell.com wrote: Everyone is wrong! pfmsh is the best at everything, period.  It does everything you can possibly think of today and tomorrow.  It doesn't require any

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 03:32:04PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: Quoth Gary Gatten on Thursday, 24 February 2011: Everyone is wrong! pfmsh is the best at everything, period. It does everything you can possibly think of today and tomorrow. It doesn't require any upgrades, ever. It's 100%

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:18:03 -0600, Gary Gatten ggat...@waddell.com wrote: Everyone is wrong! pfmsh is the best at everything, period. It does everything you can possibly think of today and tomorrow. It doesn't require any upgrades, ever. It's 100% secure. It doesn't use any memory or

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Andres Perera
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 07:00:11PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Gary Gatten ggat...@waddell.com wrote: Everyone is wrong! pfmsh is the best at everything, period.  It does everything you

RE: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Gary Gatten
-Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Chad Perrin Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 5:26 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 03:32:04PM -0800, Chip

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Chad Perrin on Thursday, 24 February 2011: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 03:32:04PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: Quoth Gary Gatten on Thursday, 24 February 2011: Everyone is wrong! pfmsh is the best at everything, period. It does everything you can possibly think of today and tomorrow.

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Andres Perera
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:18:03 -0600, Gary Gatten ggat...@waddell.com wrote: Everyone is wrong! pfmsh is the best at everything, period. It does everything you can possibly think of today and tomorrow. It doesn't require any

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:15:22 -0430, Andres Perera andre...@zoho.com wrote: funny how you point out trivialities and go on to mention one yourself For an interactive command line shell, it's the trivialities that count - for _me_, which indicates that other persons may have very different

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 07:12:55PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: So far, your complaints translate to Well, sure, for every concrete (t)csh problem I've identified, mksh has similar problems, but it's better because I

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chad Perrin
I'll try to help make it easy for you, since you seem to be having a lot of trouble grasping the concept of actually trying to make a point via logical argument and presentation of evidence: Start with the Wikipedia page comparing command shells [0]. Look through the various tables there -- feel

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Andres Perera
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 07:12:55PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: So far, your complaints translate to Well, sure, for every concrete (t)csh problem

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Andres Perera
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: I'll try to help make it easy for you, since you seem to be having a lot of trouble grasping the concept of actually trying to make a point via logical argument and presentation of evidence: Start with the Wikipedia page

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Andres Perera on Thursday, 24 February 2011: [snip] no, let's start by looking at the SOURCE CODE REPOSITORY instead of WIKIPEDIA you DROOLING BUFFOON [snip] if you disagree then you are retarded and the exchange concludes [snip] Resorting to personal insults doesn't help make

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Andres Perera
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth Andres Perera on Thursday, 24 February 2011: [snip] no, let's start by looking at the SOURCE CODE REPOSITORY instead of WIKIPEDIA you DROOLING BUFFOON [snip] if you disagree then you are retarded and

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 08:09:21PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 07:12:55PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: the author of vi, who is also the author of csh regards it as poor code Good for him.

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread ill...@gmail.com
On 24 February 2011 17:39, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: . . . Though I dislike the OP's dismissal of backticks, I must admit that I would prefer that the standard shell be at least Bourne-compatible.  I use csh for root for all the reasons that you shouldn't change your root

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 08:14:55PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: I'll try to help make it easy for you, since you seem to be having a lot of trouble grasping the concept of actually trying to make a point via logical argument and

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 08:36:53PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth Andres Perera on Thursday, 24 February 2011: [snip] no, let's start by looking at the SOURCE CODE REPOSITORY instead of WIKIPEDIA you

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Andres Perera
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 08:09:21PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 07:12:55PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: the author of vi,

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Andres Perera
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 08:36:53PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth Andres Perera on Thursday, 24 February 2011: [snip] no, let's

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Andres Perera on Thursday, 24 February 2011: That wasn't me.  I could make some insulting references to failings of yours that resulted in this mistake on your part, but I really do not think that's necessary.  It is much more fun to just watch you self-destruct. it doesn't

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 09:15:30PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: it doesn't matter if it wasn't you if you're all retarded then you are all effectively the same person I see. Suggesting that slinging insults makes him retarded. You are naught but a troll. Killfiled. -- Chad Perrin [

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Andres Perera
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: You are naught but a troll.  Killfiled. actually im the only person that bothered explaining the 2 noobs at the start of the thread how shell works then a buncha jokers started talking about tcsh you are the trolls that

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 05:57:08PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: Quoth Andres Perera on Thursday, 24 February 2011: That wasn't me.  I could make some insulting references to failings of yours that resulted in this mistake on your part, but I really do not think that's necessary.  It is

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 07:12:23PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 09:15:30PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: it doesn't matter if it wasn't you if you're all retarded then you are all effectively the same person I see. Suggesting that slinging insults makes him

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Andres Perera
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 07:12:23PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 09:15:30PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: it doesn't matter if it wasn't you if you're all retarded then you are all effectively the

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Rob Farmer
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Andres Perera andre...@zoho.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: -- Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com  | http://camdensoftware.com   |

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Andres Perera
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Rob Farmer rfar...@predatorlabs.net wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Andres Perera andre...@zoho.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: -- Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterl...@camdensoftware.com |

Re: HAL's demise

2011-02-24 Thread Warren Block
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011, Edwin L. Culp W. wrote: 2011/2/24 Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011, Jerry wrote: Is FreeBSD now HAL free or is it still a requirement? I still have it activated via /etc/rc.conf If it is not needed, I would be happy to remove the entry. It's not a

Re: upgrading apr from v0 to v1 via portupgrade?

2011-02-24 Thread Warren Block
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011, Aleksandr Miroslav wrote: Recently I noticed that somehow I am on apr-0.9.19.0.9.19. On my old box, I was on apr-ipv6-devrandom-gdbm-db47-1.4.2.1.3.10. See the 20100518 entry in /usr/ports/UPDATING. Well, the apr one, anyway.

FreeBSD 8.1 iSCSI CHAP with header and data digest

2011-02-24 Thread Dean E. Weimer
I am trying to connect my FreeBSD 8.1 system to a FreeNAS server hosting an iSCSI drive. I can successfully connect if I disable header and data digests, but can't seem to get a connection using header and data digests to succeed. I know the FreeNAS side is correct because I was able to

Strange behavior of MTU on loopback interfaces.

2011-02-24 Thread c0re
Hello all! I'm testing setting lower MTU on loopback interfaces to avoid some MTU problems with IPSEC in a path of traffic. ifconfig lo1 create ifconfig lo1 mtu 1300 ifconfig lo1 5.5.5.5/32 # ifconfig lo1 lo1: flags=8049UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu 1300 inet 5.5.5.5