Re: boot question

[Robert Simmons]

On Saturday, May 14, 2011 10:38:37 AM you wrote:
> > Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 09:44:42 -0400
> > From: Robert Simmons 
> > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> > Subject: boot question
> >
> > How do I boot from a kernel that is in a non-standard location on a disk
> > that is partitioned with the GPT scheme?
> 
> Things get a *LOT* messier if you want t relocate 'boot0' through 'boot4'
> as well as /boot/kernel.  Depending on _just_ what you want to do, you
> may have to build and install custom versions of those executables.

This is exactly what I want to do.  I want a minimum of three partitions on 
the drive.  One for swap, of course, but the other two I want to be:
/boot
/

I have gotten the kernel to boot by tricking boot2 into finding boot.config by 
locating it at /boot/boot.config rather than /boot.config and adding the 
following line to boot.config:
0:ad(0,1,a)/kernel/kernel

This gets me to the point where I have to enter the mount points manually at 
the "mountroot>" prompt.  So, this is good progress.

This skips the loader stage of booting, however, which I would like to not 
have to do.  The problem is that if I put the following line in boot.config:
0:ad(0,1,a)/loader
then the loader cannot find its config file "loader.conf"

In boot(8) there doesn't seem to be a flag that you can pass to set where to 
find loader.conf. So, how can I tell it where to find loader.conf if it is in a 
non-standard location?
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boot question

[Robert Simmons]

Perhaps my earlier question was too complex and specific.  I will rephrase
it a bit:

How do I boot from a kernel that is in a non-standard location on a disk
that is partitioned with the GPT scheme?

How do I tell that kernel the location of /etc/fstab?
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Re: Urgent FreeBSD Boot question!

[Kevin Kinsey]

Benjamin Sher wrote:


Dear friends:

I decided to go out and buy the latest issue of Linux
Format with the FreeBSD 6 CD. I am very glad I did.
FreeBSD is tough to install,


Well, kinda like the first date, the first cigarette, the
first skirmish, the first honeymoon, etc.: a tad tough,
the first time, maybe.  It gets easier ;-)



but after spending several hours



I feel for ya 



I finally succeeded in doing a perfect installation.
ONE BIG PROBLEM: When I removed the CD and
rebooted, I got into my Windows XP (I have two
separate disks, one for Windows, one of FreeBSD).
There was no way to get into FreeBSD. Naturally,
I went into my BIOS and changed the boot sequence
from CD to Hard Drive. That only caused my system
to boot into Windows XP.

I read the instructions about the FreeBSD Boot Manager.
It said clearly that it should allow switching from one
OS to another. But I did not see any configuration for that.



There is no need to do any configuration of the boot
manager in most situations.



How, may I ask, do I do this while installing FreeBSD?
How do I change this configuration to guarantee that
all my work won't go down the toilet and that when I
reboot, I will see Lilo or whatever as a boot manager
that will allow me to select either FreeBSD or Windows?

I am looking forward to solving this and then to actually
seeing FreeBSD for the first time.

Thank you so much in advance.

Benjamin


Can you tell us about your hardware a little more?  If
your BIOS will only boot from HDD0, is that the drive
that actually has FreeBSD on it?

Obviously, if you have installed FreeBSD on a second
hard disk, and WinXP is on the first, you will see the
NT bootloader on Drive #0 and not the FreeBSD boot loader
on Drive #1; this would, it seems to me, load Windows XP
at the expense of ignoring everything else.

My 'Net connection is via packet radio, and the weather
in the Mid US is pretty bad today (so it may be that
I'm reading your message late, after it's already been
solved) and I'm having a good bit of difficulty reading
the online docs, but on my local copy, there is some
information in the Handbook (ch. 12) and perhaps the FAQ
(ch. 9) that may help.

If indeed the issue is that Windows is on "Drive zero",
then I would suggest switching the physical ordering
of the drives (by jumpers or cables or whatnot) and
trying again.  If the FreeBSD boot loader sees an
"unknown" partition type on a disk (such as NTFS or 
FAT/MSDOS) it will give you an option to boot this

disk (usually via the "F2" key, as FreeBSD is assigned
to "F1") and then give control to the MBR on the 
other disk.


Other potential options might include adapting
the Windows boot loader to "see" the other
drive's boot sector, or installing a 3rd party
boot loader on the primary hard disk (such as
GAG, Grub, or LILO as you mentioned above).

HTH,

Kevin Kinsey

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Re: Urgent FreeBSD Boot question!

[Jud]

Gayn Winters wrote:
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
Benjamin Sher

Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 1:21 PM
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Urgent FreeBSD Boot question!


Dear friends:

I decided to go out and buy the latest issue of Linux Format with the 
FreeBSD 6 CD. I am very glad I did. FreeBSD is tough to install, but 
after spending several hours I finally succeeded in doing a perfect 
installation. ONE BIG PROBLEM: When I removed the CD and 
rebooted, I got 
into my Windows XP (I have two separate disks, one for 
Windows, one of 
FreeBSD). There was no way to get into FreeBSD. Naturally, I 
went into 
my BIOS and changed the boot sequence from CD to Hard Drive. 
That only 
caused my system to boot into Windows XP.


I read the instructions about the FreeBSD Boot Manager. It 
said clearly 
that it should allow switching from one OS to another. But I 
did not see 
any configuration for that. How, may I ask, do I do this while 
installing FreeBSD? How do I change this configuration to 
guarantee that 
all my work won't go down the toilet and that when I reboot, 
I will see 
Lilo or whatever as a boot manager that will allow me to 
select either 
FreeBSD or Windows?


I am looking forward to solving this and then to actually 
seeing FreeBSD 
for the first time.


Thank you so much in advance.

Benjamin


Always more than one way to skin a cat.  :-)

A rather easy way to do what you want without having to touch your 
Windows installation is to use the free GAG bootloader - http://gag.sourceforge.net/>.  The installation instructions seem pretty 
self-explanatory to me, but if you have any questions, feel free to 
ask.  It's what I've used for years to boot triple or quadruple OS 
systems, and I've never had a problem.


Jud
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RE: Urgent FreeBSD Boot question!

[Gayn Winters]

> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Benjamin Sher
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 1:21 PM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Urgent FreeBSD Boot question!
> 
> 
> Dear friends:
> 
> I decided to go out and buy the latest issue of Linux Format with the 
> FreeBSD 6 CD. I am very glad I did. FreeBSD is tough to install, but 
> after spending several hours I finally succeeded in doing a perfect 
> installation. ONE BIG PROBLEM: When I removed the CD and 
> rebooted, I got 
> into my Windows XP (I have two separate disks, one for 
> Windows, one of 
> FreeBSD). There was no way to get into FreeBSD. Naturally, I 
> went into 
> my BIOS and changed the boot sequence from CD to Hard Drive. 
> That only 
> caused my system to boot into Windows XP.
> 
> I read the instructions about the FreeBSD Boot Manager. It 
> said clearly 
> that it should allow switching from one OS to another. But I 
> did not see 
> any configuration for that. How, may I ask, do I do this while 
> installing FreeBSD? How do I change this configuration to 
> guarantee that 
> all my work won't go down the toilet and that when I reboot, 
> I will see 
> Lilo or whatever as a boot manager that will allow me to 
> select either 
> FreeBSD or Windows?
> 
> I am looking forward to solving this and then to actually 
> seeing FreeBSD 
> for the first time.
> 
> Thank you so much in advance.
> 
> Benjamin

Welcome to FreeBSD!

Well, all is not lost. There are a couple possible errors you could have
made, but since XP is booting, my guess is that you installed FreeBSD
correctly on ad1 and you (hopefully) put the FreeBSD boot loader onto
the MBR of that disk.  If so, you have a couple options:

1.  Use the NT boot loader (see
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/disks.html#NT-BOOTL
OADER ) on ad0.
2.  Install the FreeBSD boot loader on ad0.  To do this, boot the
FreeBSD install CD again and choose FixIt mode.  Get a shell going.  Use
boot0cfg to install the loader.  Check the syntax in the man pages
(http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi), but I think it is:
#boot0cfg -Bv -d 0x80 -m 0x1 -s 5 ad0

If somehow you failed to get the FreeBSD boot loader onto ad1, then
you'll have to use boot0cfg to fix that.  Its syntax will be something
like:
#boot0cfg -Bv -d 0x81 -m 0x1 -s 1 ad1

You do have a backup of your XP disk, don't you?  Errors using boot0cfg
can cause your system to be quite messed up!  Double check your
syntax!!!

Good luck!

-gayn

Bristol Systems Inc.
714/532-6776
www.bristolsystems.com 


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Re: Urgent FreeBSD Boot question!

[Benjamin Sher]

Dear Kevin:

Sounds great! Just what I need. One question before I proceed: what is
the holographic shell. Please be specific and provide step-by-step
instructions. I am a bit nervous about this kind of brain surgery.

Thank you again.

Benjamin


To write the MBR on the first disk, just boot the CD and select the
holographic shell. At that point, enter the command:
boot0cfg -B ad0

That should do the trick. There are several other ways to do this, but
this is the first one I thought of for your situation.
  


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Re: Urgent FreeBSD Boot question!

[Derek Ragona]

Look in the tools folder on the FreeBSD CD for booteasy.  You can load 
booteasy onto both hard disks from a command window under XP.


-Derek


At 03:42 PM 3/20/2006, Benjamin Sher wrote:

Dear Daniel:

I have an old but very reliable Dell Dimension 8200 that's 6 years old. It 
does not have a boot option for both of my separate hard disks. The only 
BOOT options are: floppy, CD or hard drive. That's why I need the boot 
manager solution.


Thank you.

Daniel A. wrote:

On 3/20/06, Benjamin Sher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Dear friends:

I decided to go out and buy the latest issue of Linux Format with the
FreeBSD 6 CD. I am very glad I did. FreeBSD is tough to install, but
after spending several hours I finally succeeded in doing a perfect
installation. ONE BIG PROBLEM: When I removed the CD and rebooted, I got
into my Windows XP (I have two separate disks, one for Windows, one of
FreeBSD). There was no way to get into FreeBSD. Naturally, I went into
my BIOS and changed the boot sequence from CD to Hard Drive. That only
caused my system to boot into Windows XP.

I read the instructions about the FreeBSD Boot Manager. It said clearly
that it should allow switching from one OS to another. But I did not see
any configuration for that. How, may I ask, do I do this while
installing FreeBSD? How do I change this configuration to guarantee that
all my work won't go down the toilet and that when I reboot, I will see
Lilo or whatever as a boot manager that will allow me to select either
FreeBSD or Windows?

I am looking forward to solving this and then to actually seeing FreeBSD
for the first time.

Thank you so much in advance.

Benjamin
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Re: Urgent FreeBSD Boot question!

[Bill Moran]

On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:42:37 -0500
Benjamin Sher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Daniel:
> 
> I have an old but very reliable Dell Dimension 8200 that's 6 years old. 
> It does not have a boot option for both of my separate hard disks. The 
> only BOOT options are: floppy, CD or hard drive. That's why I need the 
> boot manager solution.

By default, FreeBSD will install the boot manager on the disk that you
installed FreeBSD on - but your BIOS isn't trying to boot from that
disk, so it doesn't help.

You can go back into sysinstall and tell it to install a boot manager
on the first disk.  Be _very_ careful, as you'll delete Windows if you
choose the wrong options.  I'm sorry that I don't remember the exact
sequence to accomplish this.  As has been said: make good backups first!
You _only_ want to install the boot manager - not change anything else.


-- 
Bill Moran
Collaborative Fusion Inc.
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Re: Urgent FreeBSD Boot question!

[Benjamin Sher]

Dear Daniel:

I have an old but very reliable Dell Dimension 8200 that's 6 years old. 
It does not have a boot option for both of my separate hard disks. The 
only BOOT options are: floppy, CD or hard drive. That's why I need the 
boot manager solution.


Thank you.

Daniel A. wrote:

On 3/20/06, Benjamin Sher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Dear friends:

I decided to go out and buy the latest issue of Linux Format with the
FreeBSD 6 CD. I am very glad I did. FreeBSD is tough to install, but
after spending several hours I finally succeeded in doing a perfect
installation. ONE BIG PROBLEM: When I removed the CD and rebooted, I got
into my Windows XP (I have two separate disks, one for Windows, one of
FreeBSD). There was no way to get into FreeBSD. Naturally, I went into
my BIOS and changed the boot sequence from CD to Hard Drive. That only
caused my system to boot into Windows XP.

I read the instructions about the FreeBSD Boot Manager. It said clearly
that it should allow switching from one OS to another. But I did not see
any configuration for that. How, may I ask, do I do this while
installing FreeBSD? How do I change this configuration to guarantee that
all my work won't go down the toilet and that when I reboot, I will see
Lilo or whatever as a boot manager that will allow me to select either
FreeBSD or Windows?

I am looking forward to solving this and then to actually seeing FreeBSD
for the first time.

Thank you so much in advance.

Benjamin
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Fwd: Urgent FreeBSD Boot question!

[Daniel A.]

On 3/20/06, Benjamin Sher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear friends:
>
> I decided to go out and buy the latest issue of Linux Format with the
> FreeBSD 6 CD. I am very glad I did. FreeBSD is tough to install, but
> after spending several hours I finally succeeded in doing a perfect
> installation. ONE BIG PROBLEM: When I removed the CD and rebooted, I got
> into my Windows XP (I have two separate disks, one for Windows, one of
> FreeBSD). There was no way to get into FreeBSD. Naturally, I went into
> my BIOS and changed the boot sequence from CD to Hard Drive. That only
> caused my system to boot into Windows XP.
>
> I read the instructions about the FreeBSD Boot Manager. It said clearly
> that it should allow switching from one OS to another. But I did not see
> any configuration for that. How, may I ask, do I do this while
> installing FreeBSD? How do I change this configuration to guarantee that
> all my work won't go down the toilet and that when I reboot, I will see
> Lilo or whatever as a boot manager that will allow me to select either
> FreeBSD or Windows?
>
> I am looking forward to solving this and then to actually seeing FreeBSD
> for the first time.
>
> Thank you so much in advance.
>
> Benjamin
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Urgent FreeBSD Boot question!

[Benjamin Sher]

Dear friends:

I decided to go out and buy the latest issue of Linux Format with the 
FreeBSD 6 CD. I am very glad I did. FreeBSD is tough to install, but 
after spending several hours I finally succeeded in doing a perfect 
installation. ONE BIG PROBLEM: When I removed the CD and rebooted, I got 
into my Windows XP (I have two separate disks, one for Windows, one of 
FreeBSD). There was no way to get into FreeBSD. Naturally, I went into 
my BIOS and changed the boot sequence from CD to Hard Drive. That only 
caused my system to boot into Windows XP.


I read the instructions about the FreeBSD Boot Manager. It said clearly 
that it should allow switching from one OS to another. But I did not see 
any configuration for that. How, may I ask, do I do this while 
installing FreeBSD? How do I change this configuration to guarantee that 
all my work won't go down the toilet and that when I reboot, I will see 
Lilo or whatever as a boot manager that will allow me to select either 
FreeBSD or Windows?


I am looking forward to solving this and then to actually seeing FreeBSD 
for the first time.


Thank you so much in advance.

Benjamin
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Re: Windows XP and FreeBSD boot Question

[Chris Maness]

Nikolas Britton wrote:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group%3A*.freebsd.*+boot.ini+dual&qt_s=Search

On 2/16/06, Chris Maness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

I have had a bad time trying to get Windows XP to boot using the FreeBSD
boot manager.  Is there a way I can use the XP boot manager to boot
FreeBSD.  I use it to boot my Slackware partition, and it works like a
charm.  (i.e. dd if=/dev/hda2 of=Slack.lnx count=1 bs=512, then adding a
line for Slack.lnx in boot.ini)

Thanks
Chris Maness
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Thanks, that worked perfect.
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Re: Windows XP and FreeBSD boot Question

[Nikolas Britton]

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group%3A*.freebsd.*+boot.ini+dual&qt_s=Search

On 2/16/06, Chris Maness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have had a bad time trying to get Windows XP to boot using the FreeBSD
> boot manager.  Is there a way I can use the XP boot manager to boot
> FreeBSD.  I use it to boot my Slackware partition, and it works like a
> charm.  (i.e. dd if=/dev/hda2 of=Slack.lnx count=1 bs=512, then adding a
> line for Slack.lnx in boot.ini)
>
> Thanks
> Chris Maness
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Windows XP and FreeBSD boot Question

[Chris Maness]

I have had a bad time trying to get Windows XP to boot using the FreeBSD 
boot manager.  Is there a way I can use the XP boot manager to boot 
FreeBSD.  I use it to boot my Slackware partition, and it works like a 
charm.  (i.e. dd if=/dev/hda2 of=Slack.lnx count=1 bs=512, then adding a 
line for Slack.lnx in boot.ini)


Thanks
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Re: Dual Boot question

[Paul Schmehl]

--On Tuesday, May 17, 2005 01:14:35 PM -0500 Paul Schmehl 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
When I select FreeBSD, the box boots to a prompt, flashing F1 and goes no
further, periodically beeping.
Never mind.  It was waiting for me to hit enter.  Now all I have to do is 
change the default boot to FreeBSD from Windows, and I'll be a happy camper.

Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Adjunct Information Security Officer
The University of Texas at Dallas
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Dual Boot question

[Paul Schmehl]

I have a new machine with two drives.  The primary drive came with Windows 
XP installed, so I installed FreeBSD (5.4. RELEASE) on the slave.  I want 
to dual boot using the Windows boot manager.

I found instructions in the faq:

But it's not working.
When I select FreeBSD, the box boots to a prompt, flashing F1 and goes no 
further, periodically beeping.

I ran fdisk to make sure that ad5s1 was flagged as bootable and installed 
the FreeBSD boot manager.  Then I copied /boot/boot0 to the Windows disk on 
C:\ and named it BOOTSEC.BSD and edited the boot.ini file per the 
instructions in the faq.

What did I miss?
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Boot question

[Roy Fokker]

Hi, mi name is Alejandro.
When I boot up 5.1R, the system "stops" at the message:
"ata2: at 0xe320 on atapipci0"
"ata3: at 0xe320 on atapipci0"
"ata4: at 0xe320 on atapipci0"
Can anyone provide some insights as to what it is probing, and why it takes 
so much time compared to the rest of the bootup?  Except for that part, it 
boots real fast. Can that be configured somehow to make it faster?
Thanks in advance.

Saludos.
Alejandro.
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Re: Multi-OS Boot Question

[Jud]

On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 13:14:30 +1000, "Adam King" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Sorry, here's a better link:
> http://www.informit.com/content/index.asp?product_id=%7B7309E848-0A1E-475A-A1CD-17B5462B1564%7D&062903
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Adam King 
>   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>   Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 1:05 PM
>   Subject: Fw: Multi-OS Boot Question
>
>   This was in the 5.1 sysinstall notes. It is also mentioned on this site
>   
> (http://www.informit.com/isapi/product_id~{7309E848-0A1E-475A-A1CD-17B5462B1564}/element_id~{C8915938-27E4-4BF5-B449-CD40F6C9D8B5}/st~{FC01C6FA-A166-40A9-BEFF-FA0234A128E9}/session_id~{D7D91592-81FC-47F8-BC69-313B51CAD0D0}/content/articlex.asp)that
>   was linked from freebsd.org.
> - Original Message - 
> From: Jud 
> To: Adam King 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 11:10 AM
> Subject: Re: Multi-OS Boot Question
> 
> 
> On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:49:30 +1000, "Adam King" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> said:
> > I currently have a dual boot Windows/Linux system and want to add another
> > partition and install FreeBSD.
> > 
> > In the FreeBSD install, it mentions that the boot files must be within
> > the first 1024 Cylinders. Is this a requirement for FreeBSD itself or
> > just for the FreeBSD boot loader?
> 
> What FreeBSD install did you find this in?  Installation below the
> 1024th
> cylinder is not a requirement for either FreeBSD itself or for its
> boot
> loader.  (By "FreeBSD itself" I assume you mean the entire filesystem
> or
> some sizable subset of it.)  The 1024 cylinder limit is rarely
> encountered these days because it is a consequence of an old BIOS
> that
> doesn't use geometry translation. (Geometry translation is usually
> associated with LBA (logical block addressing).)
>  
> > If I use a linux boot loader (LILO or Grub) which doesn't have a problem
> > with the 1024 cylinder limit, will it be able to boot FreeBSD if it's
> > boot files are above cylinder 1024?
> 
> Use any boot loader you like.  Should work fine.  The FreeBSD system
> I'm
> using right now is installed on the second half of an 80GB RAID0
> array.
> 
> Jud

Yes, you're quite right about the statement from Tiemann-Urban (whom I'd
have expected to know better - glad I bought The Complete FreeBSD by Greg
Lehey rather than their book!) and I presume also about the sysinstall
documentation.  I found an additional case of the same in section 3.19 of
the FAQ on FreeBSD's web site.

However, look at the following from section 3.19 of the FAQ: "Note that
this is a limitation in the PC's BIOS, not FreeBSD."  The statement is
simply (far) out of date: "modern" BIOSes haven't had the 1024 cylinder
limit for years.  I personally haven't had a system with FreeBSD
installed *below* the 1024 cylinder limit for something like a couple of
years.  (Before my current RAID array, it was installed on the 2nd half
of a 40GB drive; before that, on the second half of a 20GB drive.)

So - install as you like, no worries.  Any problems, write back and tell
me I'm an idiot.  ;)

Jud

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to - helps readability, especially in long threads.
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Re: Multi-OS Boot Question

[Adam King]

Sorry, here's a better link: 
http://www.informit.com/content/index.asp?product_id=%7B7309E848-0A1E-475A-A1CD-17B5462B1564%7D&062903
  - Original Message - 
  From: Adam King 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 1:05 PM
  Subject: Fw: Multi-OS Boot Question





  This was in the 5.1 sysinstall notes. It is also mentioned on this site 
(http://www.informit.com/isapi/product_id~{7309E848-0A1E-475A-A1CD-17B5462B1564}/element_id~{C8915938-27E4-4BF5-B449-CD40F6C9D8B5}/st~{FC01C6FA-A166-40A9-BEFF-FA0234A128E9}/session_id~{D7D91592-81FC-47F8-BC69-313B51CAD0D0}/content/articlex.asp)that
 was linked from freebsd.org.
- Original Message - 
From: Jud 
To: Adam King 
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: Multi-OS Boot Question


On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:49:30 +1000, "Adam King" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> I currently have a dual boot Windows/Linux system and want to add another
> partition and install FreeBSD.
> 
> In the FreeBSD install, it mentions that the boot files must be within
> the first 1024 Cylinders. Is this a requirement for FreeBSD itself or
> just for the FreeBSD boot loader?

What FreeBSD install did you find this in?  Installation below the 1024th
cylinder is not a requirement for either FreeBSD itself or for its boot
loader.  (By "FreeBSD itself" I assume you mean the entire filesystem or
some sizable subset of it.)  The 1024 cylinder limit is rarely
encountered these days because it is a consequence of an old BIOS that
doesn't use geometry translation. (Geometry translation is usually
associated with LBA (logical block addressing).)
 
> If I use a linux boot loader (LILO or Grub) which doesn't have a problem
> with the 1024 cylinder limit, will it be able to boot FreeBSD if it's
> boot files are above cylinder 1024?

Use any boot loader you like.  Should work fine.  The FreeBSD system I'm
using right now is installed on the second half of an 80GB RAID0 array.

Jud
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Fw: Multi-OS Boot Question

[Adam King]

This was in the 5.1 sysinstall notes. It is also mentioned on this site 
(http://www.informit.com/isapi/product_id~{7309E848-0A1E-475A-A1CD-17B5462B1564}/element_id~{C8915938-27E4-4BF5-B449-CD40F6C9D8B5}/st~{FC01C6FA-A166-40A9-BEFF-FA0234A128E9}/session_id~{D7D91592-81FC-47F8-BC69-313B51CAD0D0}/content/articlex.asp)that
 was linked from freebsd.org.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jud 
  To: Adam King 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 11:10 AM
  Subject: Re: Multi-OS Boot Question


  On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:49:30 +1000, "Adam King" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
  > I currently have a dual boot Windows/Linux system and want to add another
  > partition and install FreeBSD.
  > 
  > In the FreeBSD install, it mentions that the boot files must be within
  > the first 1024 Cylinders. Is this a requirement for FreeBSD itself or
  > just for the FreeBSD boot loader?

  What FreeBSD install did you find this in?  Installation below the 1024th
  cylinder is not a requirement for either FreeBSD itself or for its boot
  loader.  (By "FreeBSD itself" I assume you mean the entire filesystem or
  some sizable subset of it.)  The 1024 cylinder limit is rarely
  encountered these days because it is a consequence of an old BIOS that
  doesn't use geometry translation. (Geometry translation is usually
  associated with LBA (logical block addressing).)
   
  > If I use a linux boot loader (LILO or Grub) which doesn't have a problem
  > with the 1024 cylinder limit, will it be able to boot FreeBSD if it's
  > boot files are above cylinder 1024?

  Use any boot loader you like.  Should work fine.  The FreeBSD system I'm
  using right now is installed on the second half of an 80GB RAID0 array.

  Jud
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Fwd: Re: Multi-OS Boot Question

[Jud]

Sorry, forgot to cc the list.

On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 21:10:29 -0400, "Jud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:49:30 +1000, "Adam King" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > I currently have a dual boot Windows/Linux system and want to add another
> > partition and install FreeBSD.
> > 
> > In the FreeBSD install, it mentions that the boot files must be within
> > the first 1024 Cylinders. Is this a requirement for FreeBSD itself or
> > just for the FreeBSD boot loader?
> 
> What FreeBSD install did you find this in?  Installation below the 1024th
> cylinder is not a requirement for either FreeBSD itself or for its boot
> loader.  (By "FreeBSD itself" I assume you mean the entire filesystem or
> some sizable subset of it.)  The 1024 cylinder limit is rarely
> encountered these days because it is a consequence of an old BIOS that
> doesn't use geometry translation. (Geometry translation is usually
> associated with LBA (logical block addressing).)
>  
> > If I use a linux boot loader (LILO or Grub) which doesn't have a problem
> > with the 1024 cylinder limit, will it be able to boot FreeBSD if it's
> > boot files are above cylinder 1024?
> 
> Use any boot loader you like.  Should work fine.  The FreeBSD system I'm
> using right now is installed on the second half of an 80GB RAID0 array.
> 
> Jud
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Multi-OS Boot Question

[Adam King]

I currently have a dual boot Windows/Linux system and want to add another partition 
and install FreeBSD.

In the FreeBSD install, it mentions that the boot files must be within the first 1024 
Cylinders. Is this a requirement for FreeBSD itself or just for the FreeBSD boot 
loader?

If I use a linux boot loader (LILO or Grub) which doesn't have a problem with the 1024 
cylinder limit, will it be able to boot FreeBSD if it's boot files are above cylinder 
1024?
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Boot question

[Monah Baki]

Hi,

I have a remote server running freebsd 4.8 & 5.1 on 2 partitions. Is 
there a way to ssh to the box and modify a file that tells which 
version to run when I reboot the machine, since I can't physically be 
on it.

Thank you

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Re: dual-boot question

[chip wiegand]

So, I reinstalled w2k, first trying the repair option, which doesn't
provide the option to change the file system format from ntfs to fat,
then did a complete reinstall, formatting in fat32. Guess what? It did
not overwrite the boot sector, the original freebsd boot menu is still
there and still works. In fact, previously, it showed two questions
marks for the f1 option (w2k), now it shows dos for the f1 option. I
certainly wasn't expecting that.
Anyway, just thought I'd share that bit,  it was something of a surprise
to me, I expected it to overwrite the boot sector like all previos
versions of winblows.
Regards,
Chip

On Mon, 6 Jan 2003 10:18:18 +0200
Giorgos Keramidas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 2003-01-05 22:44, chip wiegand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I have a box running fbsd/w2k but am considering replacing w2k with
> > win98. There are problems with wine not being able to run apps on
> > w2k partition properly, or at all. I realize if I install win98 it
> > will wipe out my boot partition, thus making it so I can't boot into
> > fbsd, which I use 99% of the time.
> > Any suggestions on how to install win98 without wiping out the boot
> > partition, or how to recreate the dual-boot menu?
> 
> You can always boot from the FreeBSD installation CDROM and interrupt
> the loader at the `spinner' by pressing space.  You should see
> something like:
> 
>  >> FreeBSD/i386 BOOT
>  Default: 0:ad(0,a)/kernel
>  boot:
> 
> At the boot: prompt enter:
> 
>   0:ad(0,a)/kernel
> 
> and the CDROM loader will boot from your disk.  Then, you can
> reinstall the FreeBSD boot manager on /dev/ad0 with:
> 
>   # boot0cfg -B /dev/ad0
> 
> - Giorgos
> 
> 

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RE: dual-boot question

[Aaron Burke]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jud
> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 02:56 AM
> To: chip wiegand; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: dual-boot question
> 
> 
> On Sun, 5 Jan 2003 22:44:06 -0800, chip wiegand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I have a box running fbsd/w2k but am considering replacing w2k with
> > win98. There are problems with wine not being able to run apps on w2k
> > partition properly, or at all. I realize if I install win98 it will wipe
> > out my boot partition, thus making it so I can't boot into fbsd, which I
> > use 99% of the time.
> > Any suggestions on how to install win98 without wiping out the boot
> > partition, or how to recreate the dual-boot menu?

Yes, I seem to remember a setup switch to the Windows 98 Installation
program that does not write to the MBR. But then again, I may be wrong.
Just type "d:\setup /?".


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Re: dual-boot question

[Jud]

On Sun, 5 Jan 2003 22:44:06 -0800, chip wiegand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I have a box running fbsd/w2k but am considering replacing w2k with
win98. There are problems with wine not being able to run apps on w2k
partition properly, or at all. I realize if I install win98 it will wipe
out my boot partition, thus making it so I can't boot into fbsd, which I
use 99% of the time.
Any suggestions on how to install win98 without wiping out the boot
partition, or how to recreate the dual-boot menu?


Besides the other good suggestions that have been made, Grub might be 
something to look at re recreating a dual boot menu.

--
Jud

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Re: dual-boot question

[Shaun Dwyer]

Instead of installing w98, install w2k into a FAT32 partition.

That way wine will have RW access to the partition and everything
should work fine.

All you have to do after you re-install is install a  boot loader..
either the standard freebsd boot loader, the w2k boot loader, or
even one that ive used before called 'smart boot manager'.

SBM was quite good. configurable from the loader screen, installs
from a dos boot disk.

google for "smart boot manager".

--Shaun


chip wiegand wrote:

I have a box running fbsd/w2k but am considering replacing w2k with
win98. There are problems with wine not being able to run apps on w2k
partition properly, or at all. I realize if I install win98 it will wipe
out my boot partition, thus making it so I can't boot into fbsd, which I
use 99% of the time.
Any suggestions on how to install win98 without wiping out the boot
partition, or how to recreate the dual-boot menu?
Thanks,
Chip

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Re: dual-boot question

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On 2003-01-05 22:44, chip wiegand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a box running fbsd/w2k but am considering replacing w2k with
> win98. There are problems with wine not being able to run apps on w2k
> partition properly, or at all. I realize if I install win98 it will wipe
> out my boot partition, thus making it so I can't boot into fbsd, which I
> use 99% of the time.
> Any suggestions on how to install win98 without wiping out the boot
> partition, or how to recreate the dual-boot menu?

You can always boot from the FreeBSD installation CDROM and interrupt
the loader at the `spinner' by pressing space.  You should see
something like:

 >> FreeBSD/i386 BOOT
 Default: 0:ad(0,a)/kernel
 boot:

At the boot: prompt enter:

0:ad(0,a)/kernel

and the CDROM loader will boot from your disk.  Then, you can
reinstall the FreeBSD boot manager on /dev/ad0 with:

# boot0cfg -B /dev/ad0

- Giorgos


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Re: dual-boot question

[Ryan Thompson]

chip wiegand wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> Any suggestions on how to install win98 without wiping out the boot
> partition, or how to recreate the dual-boot menu?

1) Use a utility to save a copy of your MBR to disk, and then restore
it after the Win98 install.

2) Install Win98, and then use a pair of FreeBSD boot disks to access
sysinstall and install the default boot manager.

2 is probably quicker, unless you've done something magical and
bizzare with your MBR.

- Ryan

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dual-boot question

[chip wiegand]

I have a box running fbsd/w2k but am considering replacing w2k with
win98. There are problems with wine not being able to run apps on w2k
partition properly, or at all. I realize if I install win98 it will wipe
out my boot partition, thus making it so I can't boot into fbsd, which I
use 99% of the time.
Any suggestions on how to install win98 without wiping out the boot
partition, or how to recreate the dual-boot menu?
Thanks,
Chip

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