Re: Flashing BIOS/Making bootable DOS filsystem on USB stick

2006-05-26 Thread Svein Halvor Halvorsen
Warren Block wrote:
 mkisofs can be used to create bootable CDs with a DOS floppy image. The
 DOS system has to set up CD support, and the additional files end up
 being on that drive.  See

This is a problem, I think. The supplied FreeDOS boot floppies won't
support USB CD-ROM drives.


Svein Halvor



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Flashing BIOS/Making bootable DOS filsystem on USB stick

2006-05-25 Thread Svein Halvor Halvorsen
I have a problem with my laptop, and before Dell will consider taking it
back, I have to go through their checklist and make sure I've tried
everything on that list first. This includes upgrading the BIOS.


The problem is that Dell provides the BIOS upgrade in two forms:

(a) A DOS executable
(b) A Windows self-contained utility to make a boot floppy

Since I have neither Windows nor a floppy disk, I'll have to be
creative. I thought that maybe I could install some boot code on a USB
flash drive, newfs_msdos, and copy FreeDOS along with the executable (a)
mentioned above.

Problem is: How do I install the boot code on the drive? FreeDOS
provides a floppy-image, so I thought I could just dd that to my USB
drive, and boot off of that. But I need to put the BIOS upgrade utility
on the disk as well, and it is 784 kiB. Could I grow the image?

Any pointer appreciated


Svein Halvor



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Re: Flashing BIOS/Making bootable DOS filsystem on USB stick

2006-05-25 Thread Adrian Pavone
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What about using 2 floppies? The first, your FreeDOS disk, to boot from,
then, once booted, change to the disk you have put the BIOS executable on?

Svein Halvor Halvorsen wrote:
 I have a problem with my laptop, and before Dell will consider taking it
 back, I have to go through their checklist and make sure I've tried
 everything on that list first. This includes upgrading the BIOS.
 
 
 The problem is that Dell provides the BIOS upgrade in two forms:
 
 (a) A DOS executable
 (b) A Windows self-contained utility to make a boot floppy
 
 Since I have neither Windows nor a floppy disk, I'll have to be
 creative. I thought that maybe I could install some boot code on a USB
 flash drive, newfs_msdos, and copy FreeDOS along with the executable (a)
 mentioned above.
 
 Problem is: How do I install the boot code on the drive? FreeDOS
 provides a floppy-image, so I thought I could just dd that to my USB
 drive, and boot off of that. But I need to put the BIOS upgrade utility
 on the disk as well, and it is 784 kiB. Could I grow the image?
 
 Any pointer appreciated
 
 
   Svein Halvor
 


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Re: Flashing BIOS/Making bootable DOS filsystem on USB stick

2006-05-25 Thread Svein Halvor Halvorsen
Adrian Pavone wrote:
 What about using 2 floppies? The first, your FreeDOS disk, to boot from,
 then, once booted, change to the disk you have put the BIOS executable on?

I don't have a floppy drive. I don't think I've even seen a floppy disk
in several years, much less used one.


Svein Halvor



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Re: Flashing BIOS/Making bootable DOS filsystem on USB stick

2006-05-25 Thread Derek Ragona

You have a few options:

go to bootdisk.org and download a suitable verision.  There are many floppy 
images there.  For instance the win98 diskette version, when booted creates 
a ramdrive you can switch to, then change the usb disk.  Or boot with two 
usb drives inserted, the bootable one and the one with the BIOS flash utility.


Or use a winpe bootable CD.  You can find one and information at:
http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/  You can customize the image you build 
including your Windows BIOS utility.


Or buy or borrow a USB floppy drive.

-Derek

At 02:38 PM 5/25/2006, Svein Halvor Halvorsen wrote:

I have a problem with my laptop, and before Dell will consider taking it
back, I have to go through their checklist and make sure I've tried
everything on that list first. This includes upgrading the BIOS.


The problem is that Dell provides the BIOS upgrade in two forms:

(a) A DOS executable
(b) A Windows self-contained utility to make a boot floppy

Since I have neither Windows nor a floppy disk, I'll have to be
creative. I thought that maybe I could install some boot code on a USB
flash drive, newfs_msdos, and copy FreeDOS along with the executable (a)
mentioned above.

Problem is: How do I install the boot code on the drive? FreeDOS
provides a floppy-image, so I thought I could just dd that to my USB
drive, and boot off of that. But I need to put the BIOS upgrade utility
on the disk as well, and it is 784 kiB. Could I grow the image?

Any pointer appreciated


Svein Halvor



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Re: Flashing BIOS/Making bootable DOS filsystem on USB stick

2006-05-25 Thread Jason L. Ellison
Svein,

  I had a situation with needing to boot into dos to flash firmware.  I
booted using a Freedos CD with my utilities on the same CD.  I think I had
to create a RAM drive to use the firmware upgrade utility.

-Jason Ellison

On Thu, 25 May 2006, Svein Halvor Halvorsen wrote:
 Adrian Pavone wrote:
  What about using 2 floppies? The first, your FreeDOS disk, to boot from=
 ,
  then, once booted, change to the disk you have put the BIOS executable =
 on?

 I don't have a floppy drive. I don't think I've even seen a floppy disk
 in several years, much less used one.


   Svein Halvor

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Re: Flashing BIOS/Making bootable DOS filsystem on USB stick

2006-05-25 Thread Svein Halvor Halvorsen
Derek Ragona wrote:
 go to bootdisk.org and download a suitable verision.  There are many
 floppy images there.  For instance the win98 diskette version, when
 booted creates a ramdrive you can switch to, then change the usb disk. 
 Or boot with two usb drives inserted, the bootable one and the one with
 the BIOS flash utility.

Will DOS be able to load USB devices? I thought this only worked when I
booted off the device using some BIOS magic.


 Or use a winpe bootable CD.  You can find one and information at:
 http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/  You can customize the image you build
 including your Windows BIOS utility.

This requires Windows, I think.


 Or buy or borrow a USB floppy drive.

Bah! I'd rather not buy new hardware just for this one predicament.


This is what I have readily available:

 - Computer running FreeBSD
 - USB CDRW-drive
 - 512 MiB USB flash drive
 - A 1.44 MiB FreeDOS floppy image with 111 kiB free space
 - A FreeDOS iso9660 image
 - A 784 kiB DOS executable for flashing my BIOS


Using these I need to make some sort of bootable DOS device (either CD
or USB flash drive) that contains the above mentioned BIOS upgrade utility.

Could I either:

 - Get the BIOS utility onto the ISO file without braking the boot code
 - Use the floppy image to make a bootable USB disk somehow?



Svein Halvor



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Re: Flashing BIOS/Making bootable DOS filsystem on USB stick

2006-05-25 Thread Svein Halvor Halvorsen
Jason L. Ellison wrote:
   I had a situation with needing to boot into dos to flash firmware.  I
 booted using a Freedos CD with my utilities on the same CD.  I think I had
 to create a RAM drive to use the firmware upgrade utility.

How did you create such a CD?



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Re: Flashing BIOS/Making bootable DOS filsystem on USB stick

2006-05-25 Thread Warren Block

On Thu, 25 May 2006, Svein Halvor Halvorsen wrote:


Problem is: How do I install the boot code on the drive? FreeDOS
provides a floppy-image, so I thought I could just dd that to my USB
drive, and boot off of that. But I need to put the BIOS upgrade utility
on the disk as well, and it is 784 kiB. Could I grow the image?


mkisofs can be used to create bootable CDs with a DOS floppy image. 
The DOS system has to set up CD support, and the additional files end up 
being on that drive.  See


man -P'less -p eltorito_boot' mkisofs

This worked for me with a Win95 install floppy, which sets up the CD 
drive correctly.  I don't know if FreeDOS is compatible enough to be a 
safe way to try BIOS upgrades.


-Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA
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Re: Flashing BIOS/Making bootable DOS filsystem on USB stick

2006-05-25 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC


On May 25, 2006, at 6:35 PM, Warren Block wrote:

This worked for me with a Win95 install floppy, which sets up the  
CD drive correctly.  I don't know if FreeDOS is compatible enough  
to be a safe way to try BIOS upgrades.


There are some board makers who have flashable cards who use it in  
self contained flash images they make.  Should be ok


Chad


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