Re: FreeBSD Hostname Question - Whats The Proper Way
--- Jeffrey Goldberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Aug 30, 2007, at 6:29 PM, L Goodwin wrote: > > > Do you mean avoid giving any machines on your LAN > the > > same hostname as the (hosted) web server, mail > server > > and ftp server? I don't even know what the > hostname > > for the web server is. The mail and ftp servers > are > > "mail..com" and > "ftp..com", so > > I guess I would not want to use these. > > I have a minimum of three names for any machine > visible to the > outside world. > > (1) I have the internal name that I give a box. A > few years ago, I > asked my daughter for help naming machines, and we > ended up with a > Harry Potter theme. So my primary external server > (which has the > most names) is dobby.ewd.goldmark.org, but that name > isn't visible to > the world. It's not secret, but I have no intention > of having > anything out side my local network needed to refer > to it that way. > > (And in the Harry Potter scheme, my three headed > firewall is named > fluffy.) > > (2) But there is another name it must also have. I > have a tiny block > of IP addresses which all had PTR records associated > with them like > > static-72-64-118-118.dllstx.fios.verizon.net. > > It took more than two hours on the phone to Verizon > to get those > changed, so it was something I only ever wanted to > do once, so I have > names like > > n114.ewd.goldmark.org > n115.ewd.goldmark.org > > and so on. So dobby is also known of as > n118.ewd.goldmark.org > > (3) Now dobby runs a couple of public servers. It > runs Apache as > www.goldmark.org and about half a dozen vhosts. It > also also runs a > mailserver (postfix) with mailman primarily visible > under the name > lists.shepard-families.org. > > So recapping. One is my quasi-private name for the > box itself. And > that is what hostname knows. Two is a name > corresponding the the > reverse lookup of any public IP address it might > have. There may be > several of these if the machine had multiple IP > addresses. And three > are "role" names for all of the services it runs. > This way, if I > want to move a service to a different host, that is > relatively easy. Thanks, Jeff! Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD Hostname Question - Whats The Proper Way
On Aug 30, 2007, at 6:29 PM, L Goodwin wrote: Do you mean avoid giving any machines on your LAN the same hostname as the (hosted) web server, mail server and ftp server? I don't even know what the hostname for the web server is. The mail and ftp servers are "mail..com" and "ftp..com", so I guess I would not want to use these. I have a minimum of three names for any machine visible to the outside world. (1) I have the internal name that I give a box. A few years ago, I asked my daughter for help naming machines, and we ended up with a Harry Potter theme. So my primary external server (which has the most names) is dobby.ewd.goldmark.org, but that name isn't visible to the world. It's not secret, but I have no intention of having anything out side my local network needed to refer to it that way. (And in the Harry Potter scheme, my three headed firewall is named fluffy.) (2) But there is another name it must also have. I have a tiny block of IP addresses which all had PTR records associated with them like static-72-64-118-118.dllstx.fios.verizon.net. It took more than two hours on the phone to Verizon to get those changed, so it was something I only ever wanted to do once, so I have names like n114.ewd.goldmark.org n115.ewd.goldmark.org and so on. So dobby is also known of as n118.ewd.goldmark.org (3) Now dobby runs a couple of public servers. It runs Apache as www.goldmark.org and about half a dozen vhosts. It also also runs a mailserver (postfix) with mailman primarily visible under the name lists.shepard-families.org. So recapping. One is my quasi-private name for the box itself. And that is what hostname knows. Two is a name corresponding the the reverse lookup of any public IP address it might have. There may be several of these if the machine had multiple IP addresses. And three are "role" names for all of the services it runs. This way, if I want to move a service to a different host, that is relatively easy. -j -- Jeffrey Goldberghttp://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD Hostname Question - Whats The Proper Way
--- Derek Ragona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 06:29 PM 8/30/2007, L Goodwin wrote: > > >--- Derek Ragona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >wrote: > > > > > At 04:20 PM 8/30/2007, L Goodwin wrote: > > > >I and most of my clients who have hosted web > sites > > > >have just the one domain name. Does it make > sense > > > to > > > >use the same domain name that your hosted web > site > > > >uses for your LAN? > > > > > > Sure does, no reason not to. The only issue may > be > > > having unique machine > > > names, but that shouldn't really be too tough. > > > >Do you mean avoid giving any machines on your LAN > the > >same hostname as the (hosted) web server, mail > server > >and ftp server? I don't even know what the hostname > >for the web server is. The mail and ftp servers are > >"mail..com" and "ftp..com", > so > >I guess I would not want to use these. > > Correct, only use host names that are unique. Most > use some names that > help identify the machine by the dept, user, etc. Thanks for clearing that up, Derek. It's hard to know something until you actually _know_ it! :-) Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD Hostname Question - Whats The Proper Way
At 07:55 PM 8/30/2007, L Goodwin wrote: --- Derek Ragona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 06:29 PM 8/30/2007, L Goodwin wrote: > > >--- Derek Ragona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >wrote: > > > > > At 04:20 PM 8/30/2007, L Goodwin wrote: > > > >I and most of my clients who have hosted web > sites > > > >have just the one domain name. Does it make > sense > > > to > > > >use the same domain name that your hosted web > site > > > >uses for your LAN? > > > > > > Sure does, no reason not to. The only issue may > be > > > having unique machine > > > names, but that shouldn't really be too tough. > > > >Do you mean avoid giving any machines on your LAN > the > >same hostname as the (hosted) web server, mail > server > >and ftp server? I don't even know what the hostname > >for the web server is. The mail and ftp servers are > >"mail..com" and "ftp..com", > so > >I guess I would not want to use these. > > Correct, only use host names that are unique. Most > use some names that > help identify the machine by the dept, user, etc. Thanks for clearing that up, Derek. It's hard to know something until you actually _know_ it! :-) It gets easier with experience. Doesn't hurt if you do some DNS setups too. -Derek -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD Hostname Question - Whats The Proper Way
At 06:29 PM 8/30/2007, L Goodwin wrote: --- Derek Ragona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 04:20 PM 8/30/2007, L Goodwin wrote: > >I and most of my clients who have hosted web sites > >have just the one domain name. Does it make sense > to > >use the same domain name that your hosted web site > >uses for your LAN? > > Sure does, no reason not to. The only issue may be > having unique machine > names, but that shouldn't really be too tough. Do you mean avoid giving any machines on your LAN the same hostname as the (hosted) web server, mail server and ftp server? I don't even know what the hostname for the web server is. The mail and ftp servers are "mail..com" and "ftp..com", so I guess I would not want to use these. Correct, only use host names that are unique. Most use some names that help identify the machine by the dept, user, etc. -Derek -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD Hostname Question - Whats The Proper Way
Jonathan Horne wrote: > > On Wednesday 29 August 2007 19:19:58 Peter Pluta wrote: >> How does one pick a domain? >> Just any old domain? > > thats often how it goes! mine was originally "dfwlanparty"... but dfwlp > just > became the shortend version of what the community referred to it as. i > bought the domain just out of convenience many moons ago :) > >> I keep visualizing a domain as in 3-4 servers each of >> which has a hostname mail, web, etc.. > > fairly close, some times you will actually find servers that actually are > named "web" "mail", or have names after services. myself, i have names > that > ive chosen, and then use DNS to "link" the common services to them. > example, > if you do a: > > host castor.dfwlp.com > > youll find that castor is my server that handles www.dfwlp.com. so, if > you > have a specific name in mind, dont be afraid to use it! you can always go > back later and use DNS to give your box as many "jobs" as you need (ie, > you > can DNS both www and mail to the same server, if you need to). > > cheers, > -- > Jonathan Horne > http://dfwlpiki.dfwlp.org > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > Ah ok. I host a few domains on my box, 3 web, and 1 mail. I will just call my box box(anything).placidpublishing.net and just have dns entries for mail, www, etc.. to the appropriate domains. That makes more sense. Thanks -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/FreeBSD-Hostname-Question---Whats-The-Proper-Way-tf4351213.html#a12418257 Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD Hostname Question - Whats The Proper Way
--- Derek Ragona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 04:20 PM 8/30/2007, L Goodwin wrote: > >I and most of my clients who have hosted web sites > >have just the one domain name. Does it make sense > to > >use the same domain name that your hosted web site > >uses for your LAN? > > Sure does, no reason not to. The only issue may be > having unique machine > names, but that shouldn't really be too tough. Do you mean avoid giving any machines on your LAN the same hostname as the (hosted) web server, mail server and ftp server? I don't even know what the hostname for the web server is. The mail and ftp servers are "mail..com" and "ftp..com", so I guess I would not want to use these. Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD Hostname Question - Whats The Proper Way
At 04:20 PM 8/30/2007, L Goodwin wrote: I and most of my clients who have hosted web sites have just the one domain name. Does it make sense to use the same domain name that your hosted web site uses for your LAN? Sure does, no reason not to. The only issue may be having unique machine names, but that shouldn't really be too tough. -Derek ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD Hostname Question - Whats The Proper Way
I and most of my clients who have hosted web sites have just the one domain name. Does it make sense to use the same domain name that your hosted web site uses for your LAN? --- Derek Ragona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Pick a domain you own, or buy a new one. They is > why there are so many > domain possibilities these days, like .info, .biz, > etc. in addition to the > "regular" .com, .net, .org Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD Hostname Question - Whats The Proper Way
At 07:19 PM 8/29/2007, Peter Pluta wrote: Jonathan Horne wrote: > > On Wednesday 29 August 2007 19:05:06 Peter Pluta wrote: >> I have a box with 5 ip's pointing to it. Most of the things I run (http, >> smtp) are virtual or allow me to specify the hostname (postfix) - so I'm >> wondering what the machines hostname should be? By default it's >> localhost.localdomain. This has always confused me from the begining when >> I >> first started using FreeBSD, can anyone chime in? It would greatly >> appreciated. >> >> Thanks! > > its fairly simple actually. example: > > my system's name is athena. my domain, is dfwlp.com... thus my computer > is > athena.dfwlp.com. the hostname command can show you waht your current > hostname is: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~] $ hostname > athena.dfwlp.com > > also, there is a line in /etc/rc.conf that specifys the system's hostname > when > you start up: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~] $ cat /etc/rc.conf|grep hostname > hostname="athena.dfwlp.com" > > finally, when you are installing freebsd, during the "network > configuration" > page, the "Host:" box would be where i would put "athena", and the > "Domain:" > box would be where i put "dfwlp.com" (when you set your domain, you dont > put > the . in front of the domain name, ie, dont put .dfwlp.com in the domain > box). > > cheers, > -- > Jonathan Horne > http://dfwlpiki.dfwlp.org > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > Right, my current box is mail.placidpublishing.com, I only have 1 box, and it does web and mail. I just picked placidpublishing and used that since it was a domain I had laying arond. Is that "ok"? How does one pick a domain? Just any old domain? I keep visualizing a domain as in 3-4 servers each of which has a hostname mail, web, etc.. Pick a domain you own, or buy a new one. They is why there are so many domain possibilities these days, like .info, .biz, etc. in addition to the "regular" .com, .net, .org -Derek -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD Hostname Question - Whats The Proper Way
On Wednesday 29 August 2007 19:19:58 Peter Pluta wrote: > How does one pick a domain? > Just any old domain? thats often how it goes! mine was originally "dfwlanparty"... but dfwlp just became the shortend version of what the community referred to it as. i bought the domain just out of convenience many moons ago :) > I keep visualizing a domain as in 3-4 servers each of > which has a hostname mail, web, etc.. fairly close, some times you will actually find servers that actually are named "web" "mail", or have names after services. myself, i have names that ive chosen, and then use DNS to "link" the common services to them. example, if you do a: host castor.dfwlp.com youll find that castor is my server that handles www.dfwlp.com. so, if you have a specific name in mind, dont be afraid to use it! you can always go back later and use DNS to give your box as many "jobs" as you need (ie, you can DNS both www and mail to the same server, if you need to). cheers, -- Jonathan Horne http://dfwlpiki.dfwlp.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD Hostname Question - Whats The Proper Way
Jonathan Horne wrote: > > On Wednesday 29 August 2007 19:05:06 Peter Pluta wrote: >> I have a box with 5 ip's pointing to it. Most of the things I run (http, >> smtp) are virtual or allow me to specify the hostname (postfix) - so I'm >> wondering what the machines hostname should be? By default it's >> localhost.localdomain. This has always confused me from the begining when >> I >> first started using FreeBSD, can anyone chime in? It would greatly >> appreciated. >> >> Thanks! > > its fairly simple actually. example: > > my system's name is athena. my domain, is dfwlp.com... thus my computer > is > athena.dfwlp.com. the hostname command can show you waht your current > hostname is: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~] $ hostname > athena.dfwlp.com > > also, there is a line in /etc/rc.conf that specifys the system's hostname > when > you start up: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~] $ cat /etc/rc.conf|grep hostname > hostname="athena.dfwlp.com" > > finally, when you are installing freebsd, during the "network > configuration" > page, the "Host:" box would be where i would put "athena", and the > "Domain:" > box would be where i put "dfwlp.com" (when you set your domain, you dont > put > the . in front of the domain name, ie, dont put .dfwlp.com in the domain > box). > > cheers, > -- > Jonathan Horne > http://dfwlpiki.dfwlp.org > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > Right, my current box is mail.placidpublishing.com, I only have 1 box, and it does web and mail. I just picked placidpublishing and used that since it was a domain I had laying arond. Is that "ok"? How does one pick a domain? Just any old domain? I keep visualizing a domain as in 3-4 servers each of which has a hostname mail, web, etc.. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/FreeBSD-Hostname-Question---Whats-The-Proper-Way-tf4351213.html#a12398404 Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD Hostname Question - Whats The Proper Way
On Wednesday 29 August 2007 19:05:06 Peter Pluta wrote: > I have a box with 5 ip's pointing to it. Most of the things I run (http, > smtp) are virtual or allow me to specify the hostname (postfix) - so I'm > wondering what the machines hostname should be? By default it's > localhost.localdomain. This has always confused me from the begining when I > first started using FreeBSD, can anyone chime in? It would greatly > appreciated. > > Thanks! its fairly simple actually. example: my system's name is athena. my domain, is dfwlp.com... thus my computer is athena.dfwlp.com. the hostname command can show you waht your current hostname is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~] $ hostname athena.dfwlp.com also, there is a line in /etc/rc.conf that specifys the system's hostname when you start up: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~] $ cat /etc/rc.conf|grep hostname hostname="athena.dfwlp.com" finally, when you are installing freebsd, during the "network configuration" page, the "Host:" box would be where i would put "athena", and the "Domain:" box would be where i put "dfwlp.com" (when you set your domain, you dont put the . in front of the domain name, ie, dont put .dfwlp.com in the domain box). cheers, -- Jonathan Horne http://dfwlpiki.dfwlp.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD Hostname Question - Whats The Proper Way
At 07:05 PM 8/29/2007, Peter Pluta wrote: I have a box with 5 ip's pointing to it. Most of the things I run (http, smtp) are virtual or allow me to specify the hostname (postfix) - so I'm wondering what the machines hostname should be? By default it's localhost.localdomain. This has always confused me from the begining when I first started using FreeBSD, can anyone chime in? It would greatly appreciated. Thanks! I always give my servers a hostname and IP for the base system. If I add a website, I will add another IP (or use apache's virtual hosting on the same IP) and add another DNS entry for the system. You can have more than one name for an IP and for a server. -Derek -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
FreeBSD Hostname Question - Whats The Proper Way
I have a box with 5 ip's pointing to it. Most of the things I run (http, smtp) are virtual or allow me to specify the hostname (postfix) - so I'm wondering what the machines hostname should be? By default it's localhost.localdomain. This has always confused me from the begining when I first started using FreeBSD, can anyone chime in? It would greatly appreciated. Thanks! -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/FreeBSD-Hostname-Question---Whats-The-Proper-Way-tf4351213.html#a12398274 Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
