Re: Howmany CPU Does FreeBSD Support ?

2007-03-12 Thread Nikolas Britton

On 3/12/07, Ivan Voras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Nikolas Britton wrote:
> On 3/12/07, Ivan Voras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> Which happens to include all SCSI devices I've encountered...
>> sigh.
>>
>> And it's NOT rare to see giant locked processes on a heavily loaded web
>> server.
>>
>
> No Giants Here:
> arcmsr0: > mem 0xc840-0xc8400fff,0xc880-0xc8bf irq 16 at device 14.0

I've never had an ARECA card :)



They use Intel's XScale I/O Processors and they can do RAID6, with
RAID6 you can have two simultaneous drive failures an still be ok.
Very good / fast / expensive cards... a fully decked out ARC-1280ML
will set you back 2 grand, worth every penny.

http://www.intel.com/design/iio/index.htm
US Distributor for Areca products:
http://www.topmicrousa.com/areca-raid-cards.html
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Re: Howmany CPU Does FreeBSD Support ?

2007-03-12 Thread Ivan Voras
Nikolas Britton wrote:
> On 3/12/07, Ivan Voras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> Which happens to include all SCSI devices I've encountered...
>> sigh.
>>
>> And it's NOT rare to see giant locked processes on a heavily loaded web
>> server.
>>
> 
> No Giants Here:
> arcmsr0: > mem 0xc840-0xc8400fff,0xc880-0xc8bf irq 16 at device 14.0

I've never had an ARECA card :)

ciss0:  port 0x3400-0x34ff mem
0xc6fee000-0xc6fe,0xc6f8-0xc6fb irq 24 at device 5.0 on pci2
ciss0: [GIANT-LOCKED]

ciss0:  port 0x4000-0x40ff mem
0xfdf8-0xfdff,0xfdf7-0xfdf77fff irq 16 at device 8.0 on pci19
ciss0: [GIANT-LOCKED]

(it's the same driver...)

ahc0:  port 0xdc00-0xdcff mem
0xfea01000-0xfea01fff irq 29 at device 2.0 on pci1
ahc0: [GIANT-LOCKED]

mpt0:  port 0x4000-0x40ff mem
0xe801-0xe8013fff,0xe800-0xe800 irq 19 at device 4.0 on pci3
mpt0: [GIANT-LOCKED]

isp0:  port 0x4100-0x41ff mem
0xe8014000-0xe8014fff irq 20 at device 5.0 on pci3
isp0: [GIANT-LOCKED]

Hmm, LSILogic (amrd) seems not to require GIANT...




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Re: Howmany CPU Does FreeBSD Support ?

2007-03-12 Thread Nikolas Britton

On 3/12/07, Ivan Voras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Vulpes Velox wrote:

> That is only true if the process is giant locked. When look at dmesg,
> look for things that say GIANT-LOCKED and those will be ones confined
> to one processor.

Which happens to include all SCSI devices I've encountered...
sigh.

And it's NOT rare to see giant locked processes on a heavily loaded web
server.



No Giants Here:
arcmsr0: 
mem 0xc840-0xc8400fff,0xc880-0xc8bf irq 16 at device 14.0 on pci10

ARECA RAID ADAPTER0: Driver Version 1.20.00.13 2006-8-18
ARECA RAID ADAPTER0: FIRMWARE VERSION V1.41 2006-5-24

pass1 at arcmsr0 bus 0 target 16 lun 0
pass1:  Fixed Processor SCSI-0 device
da0 at arcmsr0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0
da0:  Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device
da0: 166.666MB/s transfers (83.333MHz, offset 32, 16bit), Tagged
Queueing Enabled
da0: 1430511MB (2929687040 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 182364C)
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Re: Howmany CPU Does FreeBSD Support ?

2007-03-12 Thread Ivan Voras
Vulpes Velox wrote:

> That is only true if the process is giant locked. When look at dmesg,
> look for things that say GIANT-LOCKED and those will be ones confined
> to one processor. 

Which happens to include all SCSI devices I've encountered...
sigh.

And it's NOT rare to see giant locked processes on a heavily loaded web
server.





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Re: Howmany CPU Does FreeBSD Support ?

2007-03-12 Thread Wojciech Puchar

for machines doing mostly fileserving and routing even 2 CPUs may
be not well utilized


That is only true if the process is giant locked. When look at dmesg,
look for things that say GIANT-LOCKED and those will be ones confined
to one processor. There has been a massive push since 5 to get ride
of those.


top shows giant-lock RARELY when i observe my machines.
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Re: Howmany CPU Does FreeBSD Support ?

2007-03-11 Thread Vulpes Velox
On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 22:40:47 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > I have heard it does not scale well above 4
> 
> to be clear.
> 
> kernel task (disk I/O, network etc.) is always on first processor, 
> everything else on any CPU.
> 
> so as long as disk I/O network and other kernel tasks are able to
> fit on one processor that's OK.
> 
> for machines doing mostly pure computing 8-16 CPU may work fine,
> for machines doing mostly fileserving and routing even 2 CPUs may
> be not well utilized

That is only true if the process is giant locked. When look at dmesg,
look for things that say GIANT-LOCKED and those will be ones confined
to one processor. There has been a massive push since 5 to get ride
of those.
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Re: Howmany CPU Does FreeBSD Support ?

2007-03-10 Thread Wojciech Puchar

to be clear.

kernel task (disk I/O, network etc.) is always on first processor,
everything else on any CPU.


This is incorrect for approximately the last 7 years (it is only true
for FreeBSD 4.x and below).

Kris


hmm.. nice.
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Re: Howmany CPU Does FreeBSD Support ?

2007-03-10 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 10:40:47PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >I have heard it does not scale well above 4
> 
> to be clear.
> 
> kernel task (disk I/O, network etc.) is always on first processor, 
> everything else on any CPU.

This is incorrect for approximately the last 7 years (it is only true
for FreeBSD 4.x and below).

Kris


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Re: Howmany CPU Does FreeBSD Support ?

2007-03-10 Thread Wojciech Puchar

I have heard it does not scale well above 4


to be clear.

kernel task (disk I/O, network etc.) is always on first processor, 
everything else on any CPU.


so as long as disk I/O network and other kernel tasks are able to fit on 
one processor that's OK.


for machines doing mostly pure computing 8-16 CPU may work fine, for 
machines doing mostly fileserving and routing even 2 CPUs may be not well 
utilized

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Re: Howmany CPU Does FreeBSD Support ?

2007-03-10 Thread Wojciech Puchar

It all depends on your workload.  FreeBSD 7.0 will have good scaling
on 8 or more CPUs on common workloads, see e.g.:

 http://people.freebsd.org/~kris/scaling/mysql.html

Kris


anyway it's worth to actually test machine before buying.

even for 1 cpu systems lots of crappy motherboards/BIOSES make problems 
with these all "inventions" like interrupt routing etc. ending with 
100Mbit/s network adapter taking 10-20% of fast CPU

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Re: Howmany CPU Does FreeBSD Support ?

2007-03-10 Thread Ivan Voras
Susanth K wrote:
> Dear Friends,
> 
> Howmany CPU Does The FreeBSD 6.2 Support ? and what will be the support
> in 7

The maximum number of CPUs that 6.2 will make use of is 16
(kern.smp.maxcpus: 16). I don't know if it will be raised in 7.0, but
since 7.x should support UltraSPARC T1, it might.

How efficient are multiple CPUs supported depends on what you want to do
with them. For example, if you plan using the machine for numerically
intensive tasks, efficiency is almost perfect :)



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Re: Howmany CPU Does FreeBSD Support ?

2007-03-10 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 01:18:12AM +0800, David Schulz wrote:
> I have heard it does not scale well above 4

It all depends on your workload.  FreeBSD 7.0 will have good scaling
on 8 or more CPUs on common workloads, see e.g.:

  http://people.freebsd.org/~kris/scaling/mysql.html

Kris
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Re: Howmany CPU Does FreeBSD Support ?

2007-03-10 Thread David Schulz

I have heard it does not scale well above 4
On Mar 11, 2007, at 12:45 AM, Susanth K wrote:


Dear Friends,

Howmany CPU Does The FreeBSD 6.2 Support ? and what will be the  
support in 7


THANKS IN ADVANCE

Your's Truly

SUSANTH K
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Howmany CPU Does FreeBSD Support ?

2007-03-10 Thread Susanth K

Dear Friends,

Howmany CPU Does The FreeBSD 6.2 Support ? and what will be the support in 7

THANKS IN ADVANCE

Your's Truly

SUSANTH K
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