Linux for freebsd admins
Hi, I am not trying to start a war linux vs freebsd or a long thread on which distribution is best. Just trying to get a quick answer here. I am an inconditional to freebsd and I love it. Unfortunately I have an application that doesn't support freebsd and only run on linux. I tried to run it for a week under freebsd and it doesn't work. I have to install a linux machine and don't know which distribution to take. I tried debian ubuntu and fedora and didn't like them. I want: - A basic install (not 900 packages installed by default - No gui, I like my flashing cursor - an equivalent of ports. I want to easily compile my ports I don't like prebuilt package. Want to retrieve them by cvs. - an equivalent to portupgrade. I gotta admit mabe the three I tried was able to do that, but I'm so negative about linux thay maybe I didn't see the good point of it. Could you tell me which distribution you are using when you have no choice and need to go to linux ? Thanks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:29:35 -0400 Ian Lord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to install a linux machine and don't know which distribution to take. I tried debian ubuntu and fedora and didn't like them. I want: - A basic install (not 900 packages installed by default - No gui, I like my flashing cursor - an equivalent of ports. I want to easily compile my ports I don't like prebuilt package. Want to retrieve them by cvs. - an equivalent to portupgrade. Try Gentoo ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'd go with CRUXwww.crux.nu I've used it for the same reasons as a base for my embedded Linux distro's On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Ian Lord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am not trying to start a war linux vs freebsd or a long thread on which distribution is best. Just trying to get a quick answer here. I am an inconditional to freebsd and I love it. Unfortunately I have an application that doesn't support freebsd and only run on linux. I tried to run it for a week under freebsd and it doesn't work. I have to install a linux machine and don't know which distribution to take. I tried debian ubuntu and fedora and didn't like them. I want: - A basic install (not 900 packages installed by default - No gui, I like my flashing cursor - an equivalent of ports. I want to easily compile my ports I don't like prebuilt package. Want to retrieve them by cvs. - an equivalent to portupgrade. I gotta admit mabe the three I tried was able to do that, but I'm so negative about linux thay maybe I didn't see the good point of it. Could you tell me which distribution you are using when you have no choice and need to go to linux ? Thanks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Fred Allen - Television is a medium because anything well done is rare. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 1:51 PM, RW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try Gentoo Personally I find Gentoo too temperamental and a pain in the rear,... but YMMV ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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In response to Ian Lord [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have to install a linux machine and don't know which distribution to take. I highly recommend CentOS for the following reasons: 1) It's free. 2) It's kept up to date. 3) It's 100% Red Hat compatible, which means: a) 99% of the howtos on the internet will work b) 99% of the Linux packages you find will work c) You can lie to vendors and tell them you're running Red Hat to get support. As for the packages thing: 300 seems to be about the minimum # of packages to make a working Linux install. Keep in mind that _everything_ is a package in Linux, even the kernel, so just installing typical stuff like ls and ps and top adds packages to the system. The CentOS installer does have an option for an X-less install. The Red Hat mentality doesn't go much for rolling your own packages, so you might not like CentOS for that reason, but it's a compromise. They have a # of upgrade managers similar to portupgrade, such as up2date and yum. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Absolutely Gentoo. A very flexible distro, doing what you say to do! Ian Lord wrote: Hi, I am not trying to start a war linux vs freebsd or a long thread on which distribution is best. Just trying to get a quick answer here. I am an inconditional to freebsd and I love it. Unfortunately I have an application that doesn't support freebsd and only run on linux. I tried to run it for a week under freebsd and it doesn't work. I have to install a linux machine and don't know which distribution to take. I tried debian ubuntu and fedora and didn't like them. I want: - A basic install (not 900 packages installed by default - No gui, I like my flashing cursor - an equivalent of ports. I want to easily compile my ports I don't like prebuilt package. Want to retrieve them by cvs. - an equivalent to portupgrade. I gotta admit mabe the three I tried was able to do that, but I'm so negative about linux thay maybe I didn't see the good point of it. Could you tell me which distribution you are using when you have no choice and need to go to linux ? Thanks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-- Forwarded message -- From: Diego F. Arias R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 7:02 AM Subject: Re: Linux for freebsd admins To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Slackware, is one of themore similar unix-like distro. If you dont want prebuild packages then you can try. On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 6:59 AM, nickhardcore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Absolutely Gentoo. A very flexible distro, doing what you say to do! Ian Lord wrote: Hi, I am not trying to start a war linux vs freebsd or a long thread on which distribution is best. Just trying to get a quick answer here. I am an inconditional to freebsd and I love it. Unfortunately I have an application that doesn't support freebsd and only run on linux. I tried to run it for a week under freebsd and it doesn't work. I have to install a linux machine and don't know which distribution to take. I tried debian ubuntu and fedora and didn't like them. I want: - A basic install (not 900 packages installed by default - No gui, I like my flashing cursor - an equivalent of ports. I want to easily compile my ports I don't like prebuilt package. Want to retrieve them by cvs. - an equivalent to portupgrade. I gotta admit mabe the three I tried was able to do that, but I'm so negative about linux thay maybe I didn't see the good point of it. Could you tell me which distribution you are using when you have no choice and need to go to linux ? Thanks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- mmm, interesante. -- mmm, interesante. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux for freebsd admins
Ian Lord wrote: I have to install a linux machine and don't know which distribution to take. I tried debian ubuntu and fedora and didn't like them. I want: - A basic install (not 900 packages installed by default - No gui, I like my flashing cursor - an equivalent of ports. I want to easily compile my ports I don't like prebuilt package. Want to retrieve them by cvs. - an equivalent to portupgrade. If you wish something really close to you FreeBSD experience, you should try Arch linux: - Uses rc.conf file (bsd style init) - Fully configurable, no GUI installed by default - Package manager allow both source / binary packages - Rolling distro means you never have to reinstall. - You will easily apply your knowledge from FreeBSD to it ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Debian (not Ubuntu ..) On Fri, 2008-07-11 at 07:29 -0400, Ian Lord wrote: Hi, I am not trying to start a war linux vs freebsd or a long thread on which distribution is best. Just trying to get a quick answer here. I am an inconditional to freebsd and I love it. Unfortunately I have an application that doesn't support freebsd and only run on linux. I tried to run it for a week under freebsd and it doesn't work. I have to install a linux machine and don't know which distribution to take. I tried debian ubuntu and fedora and didn't like them. I want: - A basic install (not 900 packages installed by default - No gui, I like my flashing cursor - an equivalent of ports. I want to easily compile my ports I don't like prebuilt package. Want to retrieve them by cvs. - an equivalent to portupgrade. I gotta admit mabe the three I tried was able to do that, but I'm so negative about linux thay maybe I didn't see the good point of it. Could you tell me which distribution you are using when you have no choice and need to go to linux ? Thanks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Julien Cigar Belgian Biodiversity Platform http://www.biodiversity.be Université Libre de Bruxelles (ULB) Campus de la Plaine CP 257 Bâtiment NO, Bureau 4 N4 115C (Niveau 4) Boulevard du Triomphe, entrée ULB 2 B-1050 Bruxelles Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] @biobel: http://biobel.biodiversity.be/person/show/471 Tel : 02 650 57 52 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux for freebsd admins
Em Sex, 2008-07-11 às 16:03 +0200, Julien Cigar escreveu: Debian (not Ubuntu ..) On Fri, 2008-07-11 at 07:29 -0400, Ian Lord wrote: Hi, I am not trying to start a war linux vs freebsd or a long thread on which distribution is best. Just trying to get a quick answer here. I am an inconditional to freebsd and I love it. Unfortunately I have an application that doesn't support freebsd and only run on linux. I tried to run it for a week under freebsd and it doesn't work. Try ARCH linux - http://www.archlinux.org I have to install a linux machine and don't know which distribution to take. I tried debian ubuntu and fedora and didn't like them. I want: - A basic install (not 900 packages installed by default very small, 140Mb, no GUI... installs fast, - No gui, I like my flashing cursor - an equivalent of ports. I want to easily compile my ports I don't like prebuilt package. Want to retrieve them by cvs. PACMAN (in the archlinux) is fast and workd very good.. not many features as freebsd ports, but works very fast. - an equivalent to portupgrade. the same program - pacman I gotta admit mabe the three I tried was able to do that, but I'm so negative about linux thay maybe I didn't see the good point of it. Could you tell me which distribution you are using when you have no choice and need to go to linux ? Thanks take a look - http://www.archlinux.org Sergio ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:54:55 +0200
Ross Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 1:51 PM, RW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Try Gentoo
Personally I find Gentoo too temperamental and a pain in the rear,... but
YMMV
I'll have to agree here... first i thought, cool, you can customise most
things, build packages ala bsd... but it just was borked enough to really don't
make much sense. ( and no, i'm not really a linux newbie, started using
slackware in '95).
I've stuck to centos since then - v reliable when i can't use fbsd. and quite
easy to remove or not install ui.
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Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In response to Ian Lord [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I have to install a linux machine and don't know which distribution to
take.
I highly recommend CentOS for the following reasons:
1) It's free.
2) It's kept up to date.
3) It's 100% Red Hat compatible, which means:
a) 99% of the howtos on the internet will work
b) 99% of the Linux packages you find will work
c) You can lie to vendors and tell them you're running Red Hat to get
support.
+1
As for the packages thing: 300 seems to be about the minimum # of
packages to make a working Linux install. Keep in mind that
_everything_ is a package in Linux, even the kernel, so just installing
typical stuff like ls and ps and top adds packages to the system.
yup
The CentOS installer does have an option for an X-less install.
yup
The Red Hat mentality doesn't go much for rolling your own packages,
so you might not like CentOS for that reason, but it's a compromise.
actually, i've been rolling my own rpms from srpms and it IS quite simple.
They have a # of upgrade managers similar to portupgrade, such as
up2date and yum.
yum is 100 times better than up2date (except that u can't run 2 instances of
yum @ the same time...but it's just a minor annoyance)
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Re: Linux for freebsd admins
Le 11/07/2008 à 07:29:35-0400, Ian Lord a écrit Hi, I tried debian ubuntu and fedora and didn't like them. I want: - A basic install (not 900 packages installed by default - No gui, I like my flashing cursor - an equivalent of ports. I want to easily compile my ports I don't like prebuilt package. Want to retrieve them by cvs. - an equivalent to portupgrade. I gotta admit mabe the three I tried was able to do that, but I'm so negative about linux thay maybe I didn't see the good point of it. Could you tell me which distribution you are using when you have no choice and need to go to linux ? I'm in the same situation : My experience : Fedora --If you like the lastest features (including bugs) of software it's good distro Debian -- Good distro but IMHO the update is to slow and after some year on a server you run very out-of-date software CentOS -- Good if the software you need is RedHat Compliant only, because CentOS is a RedHat without the support. About software (packages) : Fedora/CentOS : Using yum and rpm. Work well but they are not many packages in the official repository. You need to find with rpmfind many package. Debian : Lots of packages, but as I said it's out-of-date. You can run unstable (like 7-Stable) or Testing (like 7-current) but it's on your own risk. Regards. -- Albert SHIH SIO batiment 15 Observatoire de Paris Meudon 5 Place Jules Janssen 92195 Meudon Cedex Heure local/Local time: Ven 11 jul 2008 15:16:53 CEST ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux for freebsd admins
Ian, On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, Ian Lord wrote: I have to install a linux machine and don't know which distribution to take. I tried debian ubuntu and fedora and didn't like them. I want: - A basic install (not 900 packages installed by default - No gui, I like my flashing cursor - an equivalent of ports. I want to easily compile my ports I don't like prebuilt package. Want to retrieve them by cvs. - an equivalent to portupgrade. Could you tell me which distribution you are using when you have no choice and need to go to linux ? Well, sort of. In my case I did have a choice. I just recently switched my home PC from Linux to FreeBSD after having been a Linux user since the 1.xx kernel, not to mention the i486, days. I've tried many Linux distros over the years, some source based and some binary package based. From the above it sounds like you want a source based system. I've tried several. I ran Gentoo for a few years before I got fed up with it and moved on. I think of the completely source based distros I've tried my favorite was SourceMage. As others have suggested, CRUX or ArchLinux might be good choices for your requirements. Although I think the CRUX ports system uses rsync instead of CVS to update the ports tree. I forget what Arch uses. If you don't want a GUI installer, you can't get much less GUI than CRUX. Quite a bit of the installation process is done by hand. One first uses fdisk and mkfs to partition and format their hard drive, mounts the partitions, then runs the setup script to install packages. After the packages are installed, one exits the installer, chroots into the new system, edits fstab, rc.conf, etc., by hand, compiles/installs a custom kernel, then installs a boot loader. I ran CRUX for a while followed by ArchLinux for a while and liked them both. The Linux distro I was running just before switching my home PC to FreeBSD was Debian, and I think overall it's the one I liked best. It has a text based installer, and one can install a minimal system via the installer, then install other needed packages later. Although it is binary package based rebuilding packages from source isn't too difficult, once one gets the hang of it. There were a few Debian packages I found the need to rebuild. For example, the ffmpeg package available from debian-multimedia.org has mmx disabled. Enabling mmx roughly triples it's performance. My notes on rebuilding the package can be found at: http://www.RawFedDogs.net/DebianFfmpegMMX.html Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux for freebsd admins
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:23:43 +0200
Albert Shih [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Fedora/CentOS : Using yum and rpm. Work well but they are not many
packages in the official repository. You need to find with rpmfind
many package.
you may want to use dag's repository, as well as the cutting edge official
centos repository (CentosPlus, i think).
http://dag.wieers.com/rpm/FAQ.php
B
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Re: Linux for freebsd admins
Le 12/07/2008 à 00:08:51+1000, Norberto Meijome a écrit On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:23:43 +0200 Albert Shih [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fedora/CentOS : Using yum and rpm. Work well but they are not many packages in the official repository. You need to find with rpmfind many package. you may want to use dag's repository, as well as the cutting edge official centos repository (CentosPlus, i think). http://dag.wieers.com/rpm/FAQ.php Thanks for the tips. But what I mean is if you don't want add any repository (for example you must run on your server some commercial software don't allow you to install any software don't come from RedHat/CentOS) you stuck. Regards. -- Albert SHIH SIO batiment 15 Observatoire de Paris Meudon 5 Place Jules Janssen 92195 Meudon Cedex Heure local/Local time: Ven 11 jul 2008 17:29:23 CEST ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux for freebsd admins
Simple question whats the application, and what does it state for
requirements, by the way anything RPM based or Gentoo completely suck and
are royal pains in the ASS
so... i wonder why this app wouldnt run on Ubuntu Server or Debian for that
matter, whats the application, because Debian is by far the easiest and most
sensible from a mmanageability aspect
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Norberto Meijome [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:23:43 +0200
Albert Shih [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Fedora/CentOS : Using yum and rpm. Work well but they are not many
packages in the official repository. You need to find with rpmfind
many package.
you may want to use dag's repository, as well as the cutting edge official
centos repository (CentosPlus, i think).
http://dag.wieers.com/rpm/FAQ.php
B
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Re: Linux for freebsd admins
Quoting Outback Dingo [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Simple question whats the application, and what does it state for
requirements, by the way anything RPM based or Gentoo completely suck and
are royal pains in the ASS
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Redhat sucks, you have to pay them monies, it's dependancy hell, AND
you have to do things their way - otherwise your system will be shizz.
Yeah, what are your goals for this system?
On the other hand, Gentoo is very clean and the next best thing to
FreeBSD. If you look up their history, Gentoo is a Linux deritive of
freeBSD it has many things in common if you ask me (thanks to Gentoo I
am now on freeBSD).
so... i wonder why this app wouldnt run on Ubuntu Server or Debian for that
matter, whats the application, because Debian is by far the easiest and most
sensible from a mmanageability aspect
Why do you want to dumb down? I don't want to talk down any Linux
system (EXCEPT RED HAT) but Gentoo is more stable, and the footprint
is quite small, more manageable, and they don't put out release after
release. Gentoo is more of a server system but makes a great desktop
as well.
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Norberto Meijome [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:23:43 +0200
Albert Shih [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Fedora/CentOS : Using yum and rpm. Work well but they are not many
packages in the official repository. You need to find with rpmfind
many package.
you may want to use dag's repository, as well as the cutting edge official
centos repository (CentosPlus, i think).
http://dag.wieers.com/rpm/FAQ.php
B
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Re: Linux for freebsd admins
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 5:47 PM, David Alanis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Outback Dingo [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Why do you want to dumb down? ... Maintainabily and ease of administration are not dumbing down if done correctly and in a way that doesn't impeed flexibility if you want it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux for freebsd admins
You hit on my key point... maintainability... i feel FreeBSD ports, Debians based APT systems, Arch, and to an extent Gentoo, are maintainable, Gentoo in my opinion being the least so, why the portage system, though useable is not 100% admin freindly in my opinion. Notice i said in my opinion. I did not say it wasnt functional, but there is a learning curve to becoming a serious Gentoo administrator, where with FreeBSD ports/packages, and Debians APT that curve is far less. case in point, give a windows admin 3-4 systems, one Debian, one FreeBSD, One Gentoo, One SLackware, one RPM based for 60 days, in the end youll see which they prefer because they find the learning curve far less and get more accomplished in productions with, trust me, this has been tried and proven many times, its great for finding employees potential capacities. and in the end... I have found all people tested choose FreeBSD, then a Debian based derivitive, why because maintenance capabilities on these systems far out stretches the rest. its just easier to do. lreaving more time for focusing on production efficiency. i may be painful for them but in the end, your employees will get more accomplished when you choose the right OS. On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Ross Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 5:47 PM, David Alanis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Outback Dingo [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Why do you want to dumb down? ... Maintainabily and ease of administration are not dumbig down if done correctly and in a way that doesn't impeed flexibility if you want it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 07:29:35AM -0400, Ian Lord wrote: Hi, I am not trying to start a war linux vs freebsd or a long thread on which distribution is best. Just trying to get a quick answer here. I am an inconditional to freebsd and I love it. Unfortunately I have an application that doesn't support freebsd and only run on linux. I tried to run it for a week under freebsd and it doesn't work. I have to install a linux machine and don't know which distribution to take. I tried debian ubuntu and fedora and didn't like them. I want: - A basic install (not 900 packages installed by default - No gui, I like my flashing cursor - an equivalent of ports. I want to easily compile my ports I don't like prebuilt package. Want to retrieve them by cvs. - an equivalent to portupgrade. In other words, you want FreeBSD. Of course, you still have the problem of running that application. Sorry, that's no help, but, really, you are asking for FreeBSD. jerry I gotta admit mabe the three I tried was able to do that, but I'm so negative about linux thay maybe I didn't see the good point of it. Could you tell me which distribution you are using when you have no choice and need to go to linux ? Thanks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I also find ot quite funny nobody asked about the heart of the matter before
spewing outlinux derivitives
its not a complex equation here, problem, app wount run... solution change
OS ?? doesnt strike me as a good path for
resolving the original issue
problem, app wount run
solution what the app first of all, second now find out what it requires.
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 10:47 PM, David Alanis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoting Outback Dingo [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Simple question whats the application, and what does it state for
requirements, by the way anything RPM based or Gentoo completely suck and
are royal pains in the ASS
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Redhat sucks, you have to pay them monies, it's dependancy hell, AND you
have to do things their way - otherwise your system will be shizz. Yeah,
what are your goals for this system?
On the other hand, Gentoo is very clean and the next best thing to FreeBSD.
If you look up their history, Gentoo is a Linux deritive of freeBSD it has
many things in common if you ask me (thanks to Gentoo I am now on freeBSD).
so... i wonder why this app wouldnt run on Ubuntu Server or Debian for
that
matter, whats the application, because Debian is by far the easiest and
most
sensible from a mmanageability aspect
Why do you want to dumb down? I don't want to talk down any Linux system
(EXCEPT RED HAT) but Gentoo is more stable, and the footprint is quite
small, more manageable, and they don't put out release after release. Gentoo
is more of a server system but makes a great desktop as well.
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Norberto Meijome [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:23:43 +0200
Albert Shih [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Fedora/CentOS : Using yum and rpm. Work well but they are not
many
packages in the official repository. You need to find with
rpmfind
many package.
you may want to use dag's repository, as well as the cutting edge
official
centos repository (CentosPlus, i think).
http://dag.wieers.com/rpm/FAQ.php
B
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Re: Linux for freebsd admins
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:29:35 -0400, Ian Lord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am not trying to start a war linux vs freebsd or a long thread on which distribution is best. Just trying to get a quick answer here. I am an inconditional to freebsd and I love it. Unfortunately I have an application that doesn't support freebsd and only run on linux. I tried to run it for a week under freebsd and it doesn't work. I have to install a linux machine and don't know which distribution to take. I tried debian ubuntu and fedora and didn't like them. I want: - A basic install (not 900 packages installed by default I don't want to disappoint you, but if by `basic install' you mean something like the FreeBSD base system, welcome to Linux hell. There is no such thing as a `base system'. Every Linux distribution is merely a collection of packages. - No gui, I like my flashing cursor Both Debian and Ubuntu Linux can do that. I regularly install non-gui versions of Ubuntu and Debian for my own Linux related work. - an equivalent of ports. I want to easily compile my ports I don't like prebuilt package. Want to retrieve them by cvs. - an equivalent to portupgrade. If you want to compile everything from sources, then Gentoo may be `good enough'. I personally dislike Gentoo, but if prebuilt packages are out of the question it may be the best choice for you. Having said that, there are ways to compile Debian packages from source. The Debian web site has an excellent guide about all the quirks and tricks you can use to build using `apt-source' and the APT packaging system is actually very very good at integrating your own custom-built source versions with the rest of the system. - Giorgos ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
