Re: FreeBSD on a Mac G3?

2003-10-10 Thread Payne
I may be work but FreeBSD is an Intel, I haven't see a PowerPC version. 
I had to use OpenBSD.

Darwin is what Mac OS X is base on, you can use OS X with fink, and use 
thounds of BSD programs.

Payne

Brian McCann wrote:

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	This may be a bit off topic, but does anyone know of a real,
current version of FreeBSD that will run on a G3 Mac?  I've looked at
both Net  OpenBSD, but I'd rather stick with one OS for all my PCs. 
I know, that Darwin is basically the same thing as FreeBSD and that
very little has changed...but one of the main reason I love FreeBSD
is because of the ports collection.  Has anyone tried downloading the
ports collection on a Darwin system and tried building anything?

Thanks,
- --Brian
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Re: FreeBSD on a Mac G3?

2003-10-10 Thread Mykroft Holmes IV
While there is a Ports system for Darwin/OS X, called GNUDarwin, avoid 
it, as it is notorious for breaking the basic OS install without asking.

Fink is a better alternative, it's pretty much a port of the Debian 
package management system, with somewhat improved source handling. As it 
dumps all downloaded software in /sw, it doesn't break the base install. 
Very nifty. Works very well.

OS X + Fink is a greak little OS, especially if you use 10.2 with 
Apple's X11 server. I run that on my old Beige G3, and it's quite decent.

Adam

Brian McCann wrote:
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	This may be a bit off topic, but does anyone know of a real,
current version of FreeBSD that will run on a G3 Mac?  I've looked at
both Net  OpenBSD, but I'd rather stick with one OS for all my PCs. 
I know, that Darwin is basically the same thing as FreeBSD and that
very little has changed...but one of the main reason I love FreeBSD
is because of the ports collection.  Has anyone tried downloading the
ports collection on a Darwin system and tried building anything?

Thanks,
- --Brian
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Re: FreeBSD on a Mac G3?

2003-10-10 Thread Lucas Holt
There is a page on the freebsd website describing work on a PowerPC 
version, but it says they are almost ready to boot into Single user 
mood.. another words..  not done.  It mentions that some of the code is 
in current, but doesn't really explain how you'd load it onto a mac, 
etc.

Darwin has packages, but not a ports system from what i've read.  You 
might as well use Mac OS X if you are going to use darwin since there 
is fink, and you get Java in OSX.

I ran NetBSD on a sparc for some time.  Its nice.  I'm sure the PowerPC 
version is good as well.

If I were you, I'd just pre-order Mac OS 10.3 and run that.  You can't 
beat commercial apps and open source!  At least X86 BSD users can 
usually run Linux software including games like Quake, etc.

On Friday, October 10, 2003, at 11:16  AM, Brian McCann wrote:

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This may be a bit off topic, but does anyone know of a real,
current version of FreeBSD that will run on a G3 Mac?  I've looked at
both Net  OpenBSD, but I'd rather stick with one OS for all my PCs.
I know, that Darwin is basically the same thing as FreeBSD and that
very little has changed...but one of the main reason I love FreeBSD
is because of the ports collection.  Has anyone tried downloading the
ports collection on a Darwin system and tried building anything?
Thanks,
- --Brian
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Re: FreeBSD on a Mac G3?

2003-10-10 Thread Kevin Stevens
On Friday, October 10, 2003, at 11:16  AM, Brian McCann wrote:

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This may be a bit off topic, but does anyone know of a real,
current version of FreeBSD that will run on a G3 Mac?  I've looked at
both Net  OpenBSD, but I'd rather stick with one OS for all my PCs.
I know, that Darwin is basically the same thing as FreeBSD and that
very little has changed...but one of the main reason I love FreeBSD
is because of the ports collection.  Has anyone tried downloading the
ports collection on a Darwin system and tried building anything?
Thanks,
- --Brian
I believe 10.3 is going to introduce a blessed ports system, which 
I'd imagine would immediately be adopted by Darwin.  Just FYI.

KeS

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Re: FreeBSD on a Mac G3?

2003-10-10 Thread Stephen Hilton
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:09:39 -0700
Kevin Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  On Friday, October 10, 2003, at 11:16  AM, Brian McCann wrote:
 
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 This may be a bit off topic, but does anyone know of a real,
  current version of FreeBSD that will run on a G3 Mac?  I've looked at
  both Net  OpenBSD, but I'd rather stick with one OS for all my PCs.
  I know, that Darwin is basically the same thing as FreeBSD and that
  very little has changed...but one of the main reason I love FreeBSD
  is because of the ports collection.  Has anyone tried downloading the
  ports collection on a Darwin system and tried building anything?
 
  Thanks,
  - --Brian
 
 I believe 10.3 is going to introduce a blessed ports system, which 
 I'd imagine would immediately be adopted by Darwin.  Just FYI.

I have been following the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list for quite 
a while, and if this is so, then it is a pretty tightly held secret.
Any reason to believe otherwise?

Regards,

Stephen Hilton
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Re: FreeBSD on a Mac G3?

2003-10-10 Thread Kevin Stevens
On Friday, Oct 10, 2003, at 14:21 US/Pacific, Stephen Hilton wrote:

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:09:39 -0700
Kevin Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I believe 10.3 is going to introduce a blessed ports system, which
I'd imagine would immediately be adopted by Darwin.  Just FYI.
I have been following the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list for quite
a while, and if this is so, then it is a pretty tightly held secret.
Any reason to believe otherwise?
Don't really know how to answer your question.  Yes, I believe a 
standard port system will be introduced with Panther, because I saw it 
as an annouced feature on one of Apple's pages.  Yes, I believe that 
any such system blessed by Apple would carry a massive amount of 
impetus if it's reasonably effective.  So, yes, I have reason to 
believe otherwise.  I guess we'll find out in two weeks.

KeS

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Re: FreeBSD on a Mac G3?

2003-10-10 Thread Paul Beard
 
On Friday, October 10, 2003, at 09:09AM, Mykroft Holmes IV [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

While there is a Ports system for Darwin/OS X, called GNUDarwin, avoid 
it, as it is notorious for breaking the basic OS install without asking.

or you can use the DarwinPorts collection, which has Apple support behind it (longtime 
FreeBSD users will recognize Jordan Hubbard is: he's on the DarwinPorts team). 

Fink is a better alternative, it's pretty much a port of the Debian 
package management system, with somewhat improved source handling. As it 
dumps all downloaded software in /sw, it doesn't break the base install. 
Very nifty. Works very well.

I used Fink for quite a while but it seemed to lose focus on reliability. I moved to 
darwinports (which offers source code ports and packages) and it seems to work just 
fine. 

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