Re: Web Editing?
in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote Eric F Crist thusly... Content-Description: signed data What do people here use to edit HTML documents? Vim. Lacking that any other modern vi-like software; lacking that non-emacs software (but not pine); lacking that emacs ... - Parv -- ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Web Editing?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 21 January 2004 05:57 pm, parv wrote: in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote Eric F Crist thusly... Content-Description: signed data What do people here use to edit HTML documents? Vim. Lacking that any other modern vi-like software; lacking that non-emacs software (but not pine); lacking that emacs ... - Parv Well, if your under X and want some whistles and bells - Bluefish works well. (/usr/ports/www/bluefish) - -- Best regards, Chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFADxN8D5P/gMAbw2MRAvqxAJ45aYNcxMLjMvVDW0iudlGDR/SCqgCfQPHD tiGs4b3r3MV3nmuWbPQ7lc4= =X2B9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Web Editing?
At 2004-01-20T05:45:32Z, Paul A. Hoadley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are you using PSGML's xml-mode? I find it's not indenting my XHTML documents too well (for example, it seems to assume something like 'div' is an inline rather than a block level element, and then won't indent the closing tag properly if I move it onto a new line), though I haven't tried to debug it too extensively. Nope. I use html-helper-mode which has the nice ability to narrow in to sections of non-HTML code (i.e. Javascript, PHP, etc.) and syntax-highlight as appropriate within those subsections. I don't really use PHP anymore (yay Zope!) and all of my Javascript is now in stand-alone files that get included (XHTML prefers you not embed JS into the document), but I still use it from force of habit. -- Kirk Strauser pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Web Editing?
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: That's your call. A number of us have good reasons, and that's why many of us use bollox. i'm presuming this is an editor of sorts ? :) Regards, /\_/\ All dogs go to heaven. [EMAIL PROTECTED](0 0)http://www.alphaque.com/ +==oOO--(_)--OOo==+ | for a in past present future; do| | for b in clients employers associates relatives neighbours pets; do | | echo The opinions here in no way reflect the opinions of my $a $b. | | done; done | +=+ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Web Editing?
On Wednesday, 21 January 2004 at 2:39:58 +0800, Dinesh Nair wrote: On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: That's your call. A number of us have good reasons, and that's why many of us use bollox. i'm presuming this is an editor of sorts ? :) It appears to be a combination of vi and Emacs. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Web Editing?
At 09:25 AM 1/19/2004, Eric F Crist wrote: What do people here use to edit HTML documents? I've always used a text editor -- textpad on windows -- because working with html templates as a developer this is imho by far the best option. I usually use Dreamweaver, but I haven't gotten the time to try to get wine working so I can run Dreamweaver on FreeBSD. You could get away with draft markup on an editor like DW (which I hear is the best of them) but in the end it's critical if developing html for dynamically rendered sites, i.e. those controlled in the backend by cgi's, to do the final editing by hand. Just my $0.02. Marty Landman Face 2 Interface Inc 845-679-9387 Sign On Required: Web membership software for your site Make a Website: http://face2interface.com/Home/Demo.shtml ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Web Editing?
What do people here use to edit HTML documents? I usually use Dreamweaver, I usually use vi. But, generally, the consultants here recommend Dreamweaver. jerry but I haven't gotten the time to try to get wine working so I can run Dreamweaver on FreeBSD. TIA Eric F Crist AdTech Integrated Systems, Inc (612) 998-3588 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Web Editing?
I just use Dreamweaver (or whatever software is available) on Windows and post the files to my FreeBSD servers. Tom Veldhouse - Original Message - From: Eric F Crist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 8:25 AM Subject: Web Editing? What do people here use to edit HTML documents? I usually use Dreamweaver, but I haven't gotten the time to try to get wine working so I can run Dreamweaver on FreeBSD. TIA -- Eric F Crist AdTech Integrated Systems, Inc (612) 998-3588 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Web Editing?
Eric F Crist wrote: What do people here use to edit HTML documents? I usually use Dreamweaver, but I haven't gotten the time to try to get wine working so I can run Dreamweaver on FreeBSD. TIA For a fully graphical html development tool, try /usr/ports/www/quanta PWR. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Web Editing?
At 2004-01-19T14:25:28Z, Eric F Crist [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What do people here use to edit HTML documents? Emacs. -- Kirk Strauser 94 outdated ports on the box, 94 outdated ports. Portupgrade one, an hour 'til done, 82 outdated ports on the box. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Web Editing?
On Mon, 2004-01-19 at 07:25, Eric F Crist wrote: What do people here use to edit HTML documents? I usually use Dreamweaver, but I haven't gotten the time to try to get wine working so I can run Dreamweaver on FreeBSD. TIA I use the Bluefish gtk2 web editor almost everyday (www/bluefish-devel). See: http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/ While you probably won't find anything that will give you the WYSIWYG capabilities of Dreamweaver, editing all your HTML, PHP, etc. by hand sure helps one learn! :) James ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Monday 19 January 2004 16:24, Peter Risdon wrote: Eric F Crist wrote: What do people here use to edit HTML documents? I usually use Dreamweaver, but I haven't gotten the time to try to get wine working so I can run Dreamweaver on FreeBSD. TIA For a fully graphical html development tool, try /usr/ports/www/quanta Actually - not the ports version, but the CVS version introduces WYSIWYG development, through the Kafka part. It requires KDE 3.2, which is also still in development (allthough - if you look closely in the headers of this email you see one can work with it). It does require some skill to set up though. There's a helper script available here: http://rabarber.fruitsalad.org/people/will/stuff/kde-cvs-upgrade.sh -- Melvyn === FreeBSD sarevok.idg.nl 5.2-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.2-CURRENT #3: Tue Dec 30 14:31:47 CET 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SAREVOK_NOAPM_NODEBUG i386 === pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: Web Editing?
On Monday 19 January 2004 14:25, Eric F Crist wrote: What do people here use to edit HTML documents? I usually use Dreamweaver, but I haven't gotten the time to try to get wine working so I can run Dreamweaver on FreeBSD. TIA I like bluefish very much. I heard wml is better, but I haven't tried it yet. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Web Editing?
Are all the html editors people have been talking about in this thread run on the X desktop? Do any of then work without X, just from the command line? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Daniela Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 4:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Web Editing? On Monday 19 January 2004 14:25, Eric F Crist wrote: What do people here use to edit HTML documents? I usually use Dreamweaver, but I haven't gotten the time to try to get wine working so I can run Dreamweaver on FreeBSD. TIA I like bluefish very much. I heard wml is better, but I haven't tried it yet. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Web Editing?
On Monday 19 January 2004 21:03, fbsd_user wrote: Are all the html editors people have been talking about in this thread run on the X desktop? Do any of then work without X, just from the command line? For command line I love vi. It has an abbreviate feature to speed typing of long tags. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Daniela Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 4:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Web Editing? On Monday 19 January 2004 14:25, Eric F Crist wrote: What do people here use to edit HTML documents? I usually use Dreamweaver, but I haven't gotten the time to try to get wine working so I can run Dreamweaver on FreeBSD. TIA I like bluefish very much. I heard wml is better, but I haven't tried it yet. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Web Editing?
On Mon, 2004-01-19 at 14:03, fbsd_user wrote: Are all the html editors people have been talking about in this thread run on the X desktop? Do any of then work without X, just from the command line? Yes, Emacs will run with or without XFree86. James ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Web Editing?
On Monday, 19 January 2004 at 8:25:28 -0600, Eric F Crist wrote: Content-Description: signed data What do people here use to edit HTML documents? I usually use Dreamweaver, but I haven't gotten the time to try to get wine working so I can run Dreamweaver on FreeBSD. Is Dreamweaver output standards compliant? Most HTML generated by HTML editors looks terrible and creates multiple warnings and possibly error messages from validators such as http://validator.w3.org/ or HTML tidy (/usr/ports/www/tidy). I use Emacs with a number of macros to create the more complex structures. It includes a pass through HTML tidy to reformat and correct any errors. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Web Editing?
On Monday, 19 January 2004 at 8:25:28 -0600, Eric F Crist wrote: Content-Description: signed data What do people here use to edit HTML documents? I usually use Dreamweaver, but I haven't gotten the time to try to get wine working so I can run Dreamweaver on FreeBSD. Is Dreamweaver output standards compliant? Most HTML generated by HTML editors looks terrible and creates multiple warnings and possibly error messages from validators such as http://validator.w3.org/ or HTML tidy (/usr/ports/www/tidy). I use Emacs with a number of macros to create the more complex structures. It includes a pass through HTML tidy to reformat and correct any errors. I think Macromedia have soughted that all out by now in MX. Frankly i havent found an editor for Unix that is as good as either Quanta or Zend Studio or even Eclipse. Emacs and vi is bollox. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 2004-01-19T22:59:05Z, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think Macromedia have soughted that all out by now in MX. Frankly i havent found an editor for Unix that is as good as either Quanta or Zend Studio or even Eclipse. The website at your email domain doesn't validate as any level of HTML. What did you use to write it? -- Kirk Strauser 94 outdated ports on the box, 94 outdated ports. Portupgrade one, an hour 'til done, 82 outdated ports on the box. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Web Editing?
At 2004-01-19T22:59:05Z, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think Macromedia have soughted that all out by now in MX. Frankly i havent found an editor for Unix that is as good as either Quanta or Zend Studio or even Eclipse. The website at your email domain doesn't validate as any level of HTML. What did you use to write it? -- LOl, 2 years out of date, homesite 4.5 on windoze i think. It does have a validator actually, but why be so pedantic for a personal website especially when most of your energy and time is used in a paid job doing the same thing ? I'm actually changing the whole thing very soon. Sadly as i just moved my development to a Knoppix box running KDE, i had issues getting quanta to install on the present KDE version, so i've had to use a kedit for my current contract jobs, not as quick, i seriouslly cant understand how people can develop via a terminal especially for speed and efficiency when edit, moving , selecting etc. . ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tuesday, 20 January 2004 at 10:35:14 +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 2004-01-19T22:59:05Z, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think Macromedia have soughted that all out by now in MX. Frankly i havent found an editor for Unix that is as good as either Quanta or Zend Studio or even Eclipse. The website at your email domain doesn't validate as any level of HTML. What did you use to write it? LOl, 2 years out of date, homesite 4.5 on windoze i think. It does have a validator actually, but why be so pedantic for a personal website especially when most of your energy and time is used in a paid job doing the same thing ? That's your call. A number of us have good reasons, and that's why many of us use bollox. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Web Editing?
What do people here use to edit HTML documents? I usually use Dreamweaver, but I haven't gotten the time to try to get wine working so I can run Dreamweaver on FreeBSD. Quanta is your best bet. It's very similar to Homesite on Windows. (Which I think is bundled with Dreamweaver these days.) HOMEPAGE: http://quanta.sourceforge.net/ Those of you who haven't looked at it in a long time, check it out again. Tag-completion for HTML saves many keystrokes over doing things in vi/emacs. Its syntax hints for PHP are wonderful. Syntax coloring for every language (even the odd/rare ones, thanks to Kate). It's KDE-native. TO INSTALL: cd /usr/ports/www/quanta ; make install I use it about 8 hours a day for everything from HTML-making to Ruby-programming, and love it. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Quanta is your best bet. It's very similar to Homesite on Windows. (Which I think is bundled with Dreamweaver these days.) HOMEPAGE: http://quanta.sourceforge.net/ Those of you who haven't looked at it in a long time, check it out again. Tag-completion for HTML saves many keystrokes over doing things in vi/emacs. Its syntax hints for PHP are wonderful. Syntax coloring for every language (even the odd/rare ones, thanks to Kate). It's KDE-native. TO INSTALL: cd /usr/ports/www/quanta ; make install I've had issues getting it installed on my debian based knoppix system , its saying something that it requires KDE 3 libraries but i'm already running KDE3 any ideas ? Maybe this is offtopic, i use BSD purely as a server at the moment. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Web Editing?
On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 09:54:35AM -0600, Kirk Strauser wrote: At 2004-01-19T14:25:28Z, Eric F Crist [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What do people here use to edit HTML documents? Emacs. Are you using PSGML's xml-mode? I find it's not indenting my XHTML documents too well (for example, it seems to assume something like 'div' is an inline rather than a block level element, and then won't indent the closing tag properly if I move it onto a new line), though I haven't tried to debug it too extensively. -- Paul. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 10:35:14AM +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i seriouslly cant understand how people can develop via a terminal especially for speed and efficiency when edit, moving , selecting etc. . I don't really find anything speedy or efficient about the 'click, drag, select, menu, select, dialog-box, click-button, are-you-sure, confirm' paradigm myself. I guess everyone's mileage varies. -- Paul. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
