Re: Random Restarts?
Edward Ruggeri wrote: On Sun, 20 May 2007 13:23:00 -0500, Garrett Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Roland Smith wrote: On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 11:03:25AM -0500, Edward Ruggeri wrote: Hi, My system randomly reboots, usually in the evening. It is definitely not a soft reboot, since the filesystems don't get properly dismounted. My suspicion is that it is a heat related issue -- I do leave the computer running just about all day long, and it has started to get warm. Then again, it's coolest in the evening... Try and install the mbmon port, and see if it works on your machine. If so, start a cron job that appends mbmon output to a file say every 15 minutes. If it's a heat buildup issue in a monitored component, it would show. I wonder though. My machine usually doesn't need a day to heat up after a cold start. An hour or so usually suffices. Other causes could be a spike in the line voltage due to a large device switching on or off nearby. Or an underrated power supply overloaded through a cron job. Roland Also, check to see if your memory doesn't have any errors. That can cause reboots from time to time if either the memory controller is bad, or the memory itself is bad. Also, this heat issue could be true for your hard drives. I've seen some of my faster drives get up to 140 degrees F (before I bought fans for them), then force the workstation to hard reboot. This was when I was doing a lot of disk access with them, too, since normal idling didn't head up the drives enough. Just curious: a. What's your Processor (speed, vendor)? b. Who made your motherboard? c. Who made your RAM? Thanks, -Garrett Thanks everyone! Athlon X2 4200+ proc (2.2GHz, maybe?) DFI nF4 infinity SLI motheboard G.Skill RAM (2GB) Antec True Power II (550W) I'll use MemTest or somesuch to test my RAM latter today for errors. The drives sit right infront of the air-intake fans for the system, so there's a breeze that flows by them constantly. However, additional cooling certainly might be necessary. Perhaps, it is possible that rTorrent is doing a lot of reads and writes to the drive, stressing it, which may be why the problem seems to have come up around the time I started using rTorrent. I think my plan will be so: 1.) Continue running mbmon until I get a restart, and then check to see if there was a voltage drop (or, less likely, a heat spike). 2.) Then, run MemTest86+ for a day or so, checking for RAM problems. I don't have a probe to measure the hard drive temps, but if 1&2 fail, I'll arrange better cooling for the drives, I guess. If it's a driver issue, is there any way to find it? I haven't installed any new hardware recently, and hadn't had this problem until maybe a week ago. Sorry to clog up the freeBSD listhost with (likely) a hardware issue. I can move to another listhost if you guys think I should. I'm not a big AMD user, but I would guess given the list of features on the motherboard's site that you have some sort of hardware supported CPU frequency control. I would hunt around your BIOS, see if you can enable that functionality, and see if that solves the problem. I will say that your MB and memory vendors sound like small 3rd party groups, and I've faced a lot of issues with those types of vendors; that's why I stick with select ASUS MBs, and Corsair or similar memory vendors. -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Random Restarts?
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 01:49:01PM -0500, Edward Ruggeri wrote: > Athlon X2 4200+ proc (2.2GHz, maybe?) > DFI nF4 infinity SLI motheboard > G.Skill RAM (2GB) > Antec True Power II (550W) > > I'll use MemTest or somesuch to test my RAM latter today for errors. > > The drives sit right infront of the air-intake fans for the system, so > there's a breeze that flows by them constantly. However, additional cooling > certainly might be necessary. Perhaps, it is possible that rTorrent is > doing a lot of reads and writes to the drive, stressing it, which may be why > the problem seems to have come up around the time I started using rTorrent. If you suspect rTorrent, try switching it off for a couple of days. If you have the cpufreq(4) driver in your kernel, you can activate powerd(8) in rc.conf. That will reduce the CPU speed it the system is idling, keeping everything cooler. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgpu8BLNhbtbS.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Random Restarts?
On Sun, 20 May 2007 13:23:00 -0500, Garrett Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Roland Smith wrote: On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 11:03:25AM -0500, Edward Ruggeri wrote: Hi, My system randomly reboots, usually in the evening. It is definitely not a soft reboot, since the filesystems don't get properly dismounted. My suspicion is that it is a heat related issue -- I do leave the computer running just about all day long, and it has started to get warm. Then again, it's coolest in the evening... Try and install the mbmon port, and see if it works on your machine. If so, start a cron job that appends mbmon output to a file say every 15 minutes. If it's a heat buildup issue in a monitored component, it would show. I wonder though. My machine usually doesn't need a day to heat up after a cold start. An hour or so usually suffices. Other causes could be a spike in the line voltage due to a large device switching on or off nearby. Or an underrated power supply overloaded through a cron job. Roland Also, check to see if your memory doesn't have any errors. That can cause reboots from time to time if either the memory controller is bad, or the memory itself is bad. Also, this heat issue could be true for your hard drives. I've seen some of my faster drives get up to 140 degrees F (before I bought fans for them), then force the workstation to hard reboot. This was when I was doing a lot of disk access with them, too, since normal idling didn't head up the drives enough. Just curious: a. What's your Processor (speed, vendor)? b. Who made your motherboard? c. Who made your RAM? Thanks, -Garrett Thanks everyone! Athlon X2 4200+ proc (2.2GHz, maybe?) DFI nF4 infinity SLI motheboard G.Skill RAM (2GB) Antec True Power II (550W) I'll use MemTest or somesuch to test my RAM latter today for errors. The drives sit right infront of the air-intake fans for the system, so there's a breeze that flows by them constantly. However, additional cooling certainly might be necessary. Perhaps, it is possible that rTorrent is doing a lot of reads and writes to the drive, stressing it, which may be why the problem seems to have come up around the time I started using rTorrent. I think my plan will be so: 1.) Continue running mbmon until I get a restart, and then check to see if there was a voltage drop (or, less likely, a heat spike). 2.) Then, run MemTest86+ for a day or so, checking for RAM problems. I don't have a probe to measure the hard drive temps, but if 1&2 fail, I'll arrange better cooling for the drives, I guess. If it's a driver issue, is there any way to find it? I haven't installed any new hardware recently, and hadn't had this problem until maybe a week ago. Sorry to clog up the freeBSD listhost with (likely) a hardware issue. I can move to another listhost if you guys think I should. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Random Restarts?
Roland Smith wrote: On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 11:03:25AM -0500, Edward Ruggeri wrote: Hi, My system randomly reboots, usually in the evening. It is definitely not a soft reboot, since the filesystems don't get properly dismounted. My suspicion is that it is a heat related issue -- I do leave the computer running just about all day long, and it has started to get warm. Then again, it's coolest in the evening... Try and install the mbmon port, and see if it works on your machine. If so, start a cron job that appends mbmon output to a file say every 15 minutes. If it's a heat buildup issue in a monitored component, it would show. I wonder though. My machine usually doesn't need a day to heat up after a cold start. An hour or so usually suffices. Other causes could be a spike in the line voltage due to a large device switching on or off nearby. Or an underrated power supply overloaded through a cron job. Roland Also, check to see if your memory doesn't have any errors. That can cause reboots from time to time if either the memory controller is bad, or the memory itself is bad. Also, this heat issue could be true for your hard drives. I've seen some of my faster drives get up to 140 degrees F (before I bought fans for them), then force the workstation to hard reboot. This was when I was doing a lot of disk access with them, too, since normal idling didn't head up the drives enough. Just curious: a. What's your Processor (speed, vendor)? b. Who made your motherboard? c. Who made your RAM? Thanks, -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Random Restarts?
On Sunday 20 May 2007, Edward Ruggeri wrote: > On Sun, 20 May 2007 11:41:36 -0500, Roland Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 11:03:25AM -0500, Edward Ruggeri wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> My system randomly reboots, usually in the evening. It is definitely > >> not a > >> soft reboot, since the filesystems don't get properly dismounted. My > >> suspicion is that it is a heat related issue -- I do leave the computer > >> running just about all day long, and it has started to get warm. Then > >> again, it's coolest in the evening... > > > > Try and install the mbmon port, and see if it works on your machine. If > > so, start a cron job that appends mbmon output to a file say every 15 > > minutes. If it's a heat buildup issue in a monitored component, it would > > show. > > > > I wonder though. My machine usually doesn't need a day to heat up after > > a cold start. An hour or so usually suffices. In my experience this kind of problem can also be caused by bad memory. > > > > Other causes could be a spike in the line voltage due to a large device > > switching on or off nearby. Or an underrated power supply overloaded > > through a cron job. > > > > > > Roland > > Thanks for the ideas, Roland (and Tamouh)! I forgot about the possibility > of power issues. I do have an Antec power supply, 500W, which certainly > doesn't mean it isn't the problem, but it _ought_ to be able handle this > system... > > But here's what I get if I run mbmon. > > %mbmon -A -t -r 1 > TEMP0 : 39.0 > TEMP1 : 34.0 > TEMP2 : 25.0 > FAN0 :0 > FAN1 : 5818 > FAN2 :0 > VC0 : +1.28 > VC1 : +1.50 > V33 : +3.30 > V50P : +4.97 > V12P : +11.13 > V12N : -11.52 > V50N : -3.76 > Sun May 20 12:32:10 CDT 2007 > > That CPU temp is at about 97% idle -- high, no? The voltage on the 12V > lines seems pretty bad, and especially so on the -5V line. Should I trust > the sensors and think about a new PSU? In the meantime, I'll write to a > file, and see if it records a dip in power before the next reboot. I wouldn't trust it to report correct (absolute) values. I've seen motherboards report values _way_ off. HTH, Pieter de Goeje ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Random Restarts?
On Sun, 20 May 2007 11:41:36 -0500, Roland Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 11:03:25AM -0500, Edward Ruggeri wrote: Hi, My system randomly reboots, usually in the evening. It is definitely not a soft reboot, since the filesystems don't get properly dismounted. My suspicion is that it is a heat related issue -- I do leave the computer running just about all day long, and it has started to get warm. Then again, it's coolest in the evening... Try and install the mbmon port, and see if it works on your machine. If so, start a cron job that appends mbmon output to a file say every 15 minutes. If it's a heat buildup issue in a monitored component, it would show. I wonder though. My machine usually doesn't need a day to heat up after a cold start. An hour or so usually suffices. Other causes could be a spike in the line voltage due to a large device switching on or off nearby. Or an underrated power supply overloaded through a cron job. Roland Thanks for the ideas, Roland (and Tamouh)! I forgot about the possibility of power issues. I do have an Antec power supply, 500W, which certainly doesn't mean it isn't the problem, but it _ought_ to be able handle this system... But here's what I get if I run mbmon. %mbmon -A -t -r 1 TEMP0 : 39.0 TEMP1 : 34.0 TEMP2 : 25.0 FAN0 :0 FAN1 : 5818 FAN2 :0 VC0 : +1.28 VC1 : +1.50 V33 : +3.30 V50P : +4.97 V12P : +11.13 V12N : -11.52 V50N : -3.76 Sun May 20 12:32:10 CDT 2007 That CPU temp is at about 97% idle -- high, no? The voltage on the 12V lines seems pretty bad, and especially so on the -5V line. Should I trust the sensors and think about a new PSU? In the meantime, I'll write to a file, and see if it records a dip in power before the next reboot. -- Ned Ruggeri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Random Restarts?
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 11:03:25AM -0500, Edward Ruggeri wrote: > Hi, > > My system randomly reboots, usually in the evening. It is definitely not a > soft reboot, since the filesystems don't get properly dismounted. My > suspicion is that it is a heat related issue -- I do leave the computer > running just about all day long, and it has started to get warm. Then > again, it's coolest in the evening... Try and install the mbmon port, and see if it works on your machine. If so, start a cron job that appends mbmon output to a file say every 15 minutes. If it's a heat buildup issue in a monitored component, it would show. I wonder though. My machine usually doesn't need a day to heat up after a cold start. An hour or so usually suffices. Other causes could be a spike in the line voltage due to a large device switching on or off nearby. Or an underrated power supply overloaded through a cron job. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Random Restarts?
Hi, My system randomly reboots, usually in the evening. It is definitely not a soft reboot, since the filesystems don't get properly dismounted. My suspicion is that it is a heat related issue -- I do leave the computer running just about all day long, and it has started to get warm. Then again, it's coolest in the evening... I have looked at /var/log/messages, and there is nothing right before the reboot of the system. Is that proof this is a hardware and not a software issue? Is there any other log file or diagnostic that might confirm my suspicions? I'd rather not reset the heatsink, etc., if the problem is really something else :) Thanks in advance guys! Sincerely, -- Ned Ruggeri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
