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Rob Farmer rfarmer at predatorlabs.net writes:
LOL - how hypocritical. This thread was four days dead then suddenly
two people show up and start pushing this mksh shell, which seems to
Sorry for reviving again, but I only show up as I have an “alert” set
to mksh to know when it’s being
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Thorsten Glaser t...@mirbsd.org wrote:
Rob Farmer rfarmer at predatorlabs.net writes:
LOL - how hypocritical. This thread was four days dead then suddenly
two people show up and start pushing this mksh shell, which seems to
Sorry for reviving again, but I
Thorsten Glaser t...@mirbsd.org wrote:
tcsh is not a shell ...
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/shell/csh-whynot/
If you are _that_ strongly opposed to (t)csh, sir, I submit that you
are wasting your time reading and posting to a FreeBSD mailing list.
On 25 February 2011 02:55, Andres Perera andre...@zoho.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
I apologize for the grammaticall brokenness of that sentence.
maybe you should spam the hundreds of subscribers of this mailing list with
this line:
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Chris Rees utis...@gmail.com wrote:
On 25 February 2011 02:55, Andres Perera andre...@zoho.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
I apologize for the grammaticall brokenness of that sentence.
maybe you should spam
On 25 February 2011 18:02, Andres Perera andre...@zoho.com wrote:
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Chris Rees utis...@gmail.com wrote:
On 25 February 2011 02:55, Andres Perera andre...@zoho.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
I apologize for the
Andres Perera andres.p at zoho.com writes:
Nowadays all shells supports $() so I advise you to use it :).
no, not all shells support $()
They do, it’s mandated by POSIX. There’s no reason to support the
accidentally non-combining accent gravis (so-called “backtick”¹)
any more, unless you
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Thorsten Glaser t...@mirbsd.org wrote:
Andres Perera andres.p at zoho.com writes:
Nowadays all shells supports $() so I advise you to use it :).
no, not all shells support $()
They do, it’s mandated by POSIX. There’s no reason to support the
accidentally
Andres Perera andres.p at zoho.com writes:
mandated by posix and reality usually aren't in sync, as i'm sure you know
by
In this case, closely enough.
now since you pointed out solaris
It’s just /bin/sh on long outdated versions (newer ones, both
from Horracle and not, have ATT ksh93 there
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Thorsten Glaser t...@mirbsd.org wrote:
Andres Perera andres.p at zoho.com writes:
mandated by posix and reality usually aren't in sync, as i'm sure you know
by
In this case, closely enough.
now since you pointed out solaris
It’s just /bin/sh on long
Rob Farmer rfarmer at predatorlabs.net writes:
Have you used the default FreeBSD shell (tcsh) recently?
tcsh is not a shell. Well, it’s an interactive command line
interpreter, not a bad one compared to what else is offered
at that, but…
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/shell/csh-whynot/
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:02:22 -0800
Rob Farmer rfar...@predatorlabs.net articulated:
Have you used the default FreeBSD shell (tcsh) recently?
[rfarmer@sapphire] ~ echo $(date )
Illegal variable name.
Since I use Bash as my default shell, I never suffer from that problem.
I was wondering if
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:02:22 -0800
Rob Farmer rfar...@predatorlabs.net articulated:
Have you used the default FreeBSD shell (tcsh) recently?
[rfarmer@sapphire] ~ echo $(date )
Illegal variable name.
Since I use Bash
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Thorsten Glaser t...@mirbsd.org wrote:
Rob Farmer rfarmer at predatorlabs.net writes:
Have you used the default FreeBSD shell (tcsh) recently?
tcsh is not a shell. Well, it’s an interactive command line
interpreter, not a bad one compared to what else is
Rob Farmer dixit:
(New) people will still copy and paste commands into an interactive
tcsh
That’s a FreeBSD® specific issue though. Other operating systems
did the sensible thing ages ago ☺
Even then, I tend to disagree here. There’s the common use of
‘% ’ and ‘$ ’ (and ‘# ’ but we use sudo(8)
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 09:36:37PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
Rob Farmer dixit:
(New) people will still copy and paste commands into an interactive
tcsh
That’s a FreeBSD® specific issue though. Other operating systems
did the sensible thing ages ago ☺
What exactly is the sensible
On 24 February 2011 16:05, Thorsten Glaser t...@mirbsd.org wrote:
Rob Farmer rfarmer at predatorlabs.net writes:
Have you used the default FreeBSD shell (tcsh) recently?
tcsh is not a shell. Well, it’s an interactive command line
interpreter, not a bad one compared to what else is offered
Chad Perrin perrin at apotheon.com writes:
That’s a FreeBSD® specific issue though. Other operating systems
did the sensible thing ages ago ☺
What exactly is the sensible thing?
http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/src/usr.sbin/user/
user.c.diff?r1=1.116r2=1.117only_with_tag=MAIN
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 09:59:40PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
Chad Perrin perrin at apotheon.com writes:
That’s a FreeBSD® specific issue though. Other operating systems
did the sensible thing ages ago ☺
What exactly is the sensible thing?
Chad Perrin perrin at apotheon.com writes:
1. You think some measure of popularity of a decision makes it correct.
No.
2. You don't like (t)csh.
No. I just point out it’s not a suitable scripting shell.
3. You think your opinions are so self-evident that everybody will just
immediately
Quoth Chad Perrin on Thursday, 24 February 2011:
snip
What we have not yet determined is:
1. Is it a good idea to replace (t)csh?
--
Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ]
Though I dislike the OP's dismissal of backticks, I must admit that I
would
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:24:37 -0800, Rob Farmer rfar...@predatorlabs.net wrote:
(New) people will still copy and paste commands into an interactive
tcsh, so it is a good idea to be compatible when posting stuff to the
mailing lists, etc. if possible. There was something on the ports@
list a
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:34:25PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
Chad Perrin perrin at apotheon.com writes:
1. You think some measure of popularity of a decision makes it correct.
No.
Why do you substitute others' email messages for an actual, direct
response to my question, then?
On 24/02/2011 22:39, Chip Camden wrote:
I suppose I could change root to /bin/sh, but that doesn't even
have command recall.
set -o emacs
Cheers,
Matthew
--
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Quoth Matthew Seaman on Thursday, 24 February 2011:
On 24/02/2011 22:39, Chip Camden wrote:
I suppose I could change root to /bin/sh, but that doesn't even
have command recall.
set -o emacs
Cheers,
Matthew
--
Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 02:39:24PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote:
Quoth Chad Perrin on Thursday, 24 February 2011:
What we have not yet determined is:
1. Is it a good idea to replace (t)csh?
Though I dislike the OP's dismissal of backticks, I must admit that I
would prefer that the
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:58:34 -0800, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com
wrote:
Thanks for that -- though I'll go with:
set -o vi
TYVM. I didn't know /bin/sh supported those modes.
It's hardly known as /bin/sh is _not_ used for interactive
comunication regularly, as it's basically
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 11:40:44PM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:24:37 -0800, Rob Farmer rfar...@predatorlabs.net
wrote:
I've read it before. Who hasn't?
I haven't. :-)
While reading it, just keep this in mind:
It's about programming in csh. It's not about using csh
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
1. Is it a good idea to replace (t)csh?
mksh is better than tcsh for everything
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On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:54:25 -0700, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 11:40:44PM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:24:37 -0800, Rob Farmer rfar...@predatorlabs.net
wrote:
I've read it before. Who hasn't?
I haven't. :-)
While reading
Hello Andres Perera,
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that's not true
:-D
echo `echo 1\`echo 2\\\`echo 3\\\`echo 4\\\`\\\`\``
Backslash Orgies!
Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
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-Original Message-
From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org
[mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Polytropon
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 5:13 PM
To: Chad Perrin
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Backtick versus $()
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:54:25
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 06:42:18PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote:
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
1. Is it a good idea to replace (t)csh?
mksh is better than tcsh for everything
Thank you for your opinion, but it's just an opinion with no explanation,
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 05:18:03PM -0600, Gary Gatten wrote:
Everyone is wrong! pfmsh is the best at everything, period. It does
everything you can possibly think of today and tomorrow. It doesn't
require any upgrades, ever. It's 100% secure. It doesn't use any
memory or other resources,
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Gary Gatten ggat...@waddell.com wrote:
Everyone is wrong! pfmsh is the best at everything, period. It does
everything you can possibly think of today and tomorrow. It doesn't
require any upgrades, ever. It's 100% secure. It doesn't use any
memory or other
Quoth Gary Gatten on Thursday, 24 February 2011:
Everyone is wrong! pfmsh is the best at everything, period. It does
everything you can possibly think of today and tomorrow. It doesn't require
any upgrades, ever. It's 100% secure. It doesn't use any memory or other
resources, $hit, it
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 07:00:11PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote:
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Gary Gatten ggat...@waddell.com wrote:
Everyone is wrong! pfmsh is the best at everything, period. It does
everything you can possibly think of today and tomorrow. It doesn't
require any
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 03:32:04PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote:
Quoth Gary Gatten on Thursday, 24 February 2011:
Everyone is wrong! pfmsh is the best at everything, period. It
does everything you can possibly think of today and tomorrow. It
doesn't require any upgrades, ever. It's 100%
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:18:03 -0600, Gary Gatten ggat...@waddell.com wrote:
Everyone is wrong! pfmsh is the best at everything, period.
It does everything you can possibly think of today and tomorrow.
It doesn't require any upgrades, ever. It's 100% secure.
It doesn't use any memory or
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 07:00:11PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote:
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Gary Gatten ggat...@waddell.com wrote:
Everyone is wrong! pfmsh is the best at everything, period. It does
everything you
-Original Message-
From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org
[mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Chad Perrin
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 5:26 PM
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Backtick versus $()
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 03:32:04PM -0800, Chip
Quoth Chad Perrin on Thursday, 24 February 2011:
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 03:32:04PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote:
Quoth Gary Gatten on Thursday, 24 February 2011:
Everyone is wrong! pfmsh is the best at everything, period. It
does everything you can possibly think of today and tomorrow.
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:18:03 -0600, Gary Gatten ggat...@waddell.com wrote:
Everyone is wrong! pfmsh is the best at everything, period.
It does everything you can possibly think of today and tomorrow.
It doesn't require any
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:15:22 -0430, Andres Perera andre...@zoho.com wrote:
funny how you point out trivialities and go on to mention one yourself
For an interactive command line shell, it's the trivialities
that count - for _me_, which indicates that other persons may
have very different
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 07:12:55PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote:
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
So far, your complaints translate to Well, sure, for every concrete
(t)csh problem I've identified, mksh has similar problems, but it's
better because I
I'll try to help make it easy for you, since you seem to be having a lot
of trouble grasping the concept of actually trying to make a point via
logical argument and presentation of evidence:
Start with the Wikipedia page comparing command shells [0]. Look through
the various tables there -- feel
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 07:12:55PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote:
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
So far, your complaints translate to Well, sure, for every concrete
(t)csh problem
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
I'll try to help make it easy for you, since you seem to be having a lot
of trouble grasping the concept of actually trying to make a point via
logical argument and presentation of evidence:
Start with the Wikipedia page
Quoth Andres Perera on Thursday, 24 February 2011:
[snip]
no, let's start by looking at the SOURCE CODE REPOSITORY instead of WIKIPEDIA
you DROOLING BUFFOON
[snip]
if you disagree then you are retarded and the exchange concludes
[snip]
Resorting to personal insults doesn't help make
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Chip Camden
sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote:
Quoth Andres Perera on Thursday, 24 February 2011:
[snip]
no, let's start by looking at the SOURCE CODE REPOSITORY instead of WIKIPEDIA
you DROOLING BUFFOON
[snip]
if you disagree then you are retarded and
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 08:09:21PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote:
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 07:12:55PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote:
the author of vi, who is also the author of csh regards it as poor code
Good for him.
On 24 February 2011 17:39, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote:
. . .
Though I dislike the OP's dismissal of backticks, I must admit that I
would prefer that the standard shell be at least Bourne-compatible. I
use csh for root for all the reasons that you shouldn't change your root
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 08:14:55PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote:
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:
I'll try to help make it easy for you, since you seem to be having a
lot of trouble grasping the concept of actually trying to make a
point via logical argument and
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 08:36:53PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote:
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Chip Camden
sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote:
Quoth Andres Perera on Thursday, 24 February 2011:
[snip]
no, let's start by looking at the SOURCE CODE REPOSITORY instead of
WIKIPEDIA you
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 08:09:21PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote:
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 07:12:55PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote:
the author of vi,
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 08:36:53PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote:
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Chip Camden
sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote:
Quoth Andres Perera on Thursday, 24 February 2011:
[snip]
no, let's
Quoth Andres Perera on Thursday, 24 February 2011:
That wasn't me. I could make some insulting references to failings of
yours that resulted in this mistake on your part, but I really do not
think that's necessary. It is much more fun to just watch you
self-destruct.
it doesn't
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 09:15:30PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote:
it doesn't matter if it wasn't you
if you're all retarded then you are all effectively the same person
I see. Suggesting that slinging insults makes him retarded.
You are naught but a troll. Killfiled.
--
Chad Perrin [
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
You are naught but a troll. Killfiled.
actually im the only person that bothered explaining the 2 noobs at
the start of the thread how shell works
then a buncha jokers started talking about tcsh
you are the trolls that
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 05:57:08PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote:
Quoth Andres Perera on Thursday, 24 February 2011:
That wasn't me. I could make some insulting references to failings
of yours that resulted in this mistake on your part, but I really
do not think that's necessary. It is
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 07:12:23PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 09:15:30PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote:
it doesn't matter if it wasn't you
if you're all retarded then you are all effectively the same person
I see. Suggesting that slinging insults makes him
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 07:12:23PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 09:15:30PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote:
it doesn't matter if it wasn't you
if you're all retarded then you are all effectively the
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Andres Perera andre...@zoho.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Chip Camden
sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote:
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http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com |
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Rob Farmer rfar...@predatorlabs.net wrote:
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Andres Perera andre...@zoho.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Chip Camden
sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote:
--
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On 20/02/2011 18:40, Warren Block wrote:
$() apparently isn't quite the same as backticks, although sh(1) doesn't
mention that, or I just missed it. This script is just supposed to
escape special characters* in a path/filename:
#!/bin/sh
DESTDIR=./
COMPFILE=.cshrc
PSTR=`echo
Dropped the last line of the script. Also lined up the seds to show the
regex is the same in both.
#!/bin/sh
DESTDIR=./
COMPFILE=.cshrc
PSTR=`echo ${DESTDIR}${COMPFILE} | sed 's%\([?:.%\\]\)%\\\1%g'`
echo ${PSTR}
PSTR=$(echo ${DESTDIR}${COMPFILE} | sed 's%\([?:.%\\]\)%\\\1%g')
echo ${PSTR}
On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 1:42 PM, David Demelier
demelier.da...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd prefere $() rather than ``. It's more powerful, for example you can
write a multiple $() but not `` see :
that's not true
for i in bash dash mksh; do
echo $i:
$i '!'
echo `echo 1\`echo 2\\\`echo 3\\\`echo
On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote:
With backticks, the backreference \1 never seems to be replaced with the
actual pattern, regardless of search pattern. Tested on 8-stable and
9-current.
this isn't really new and it's not particular to freebsd sh(1)
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