Re: Compiz-fusion article

2008-02-11 Thread E. J. Cerejo

Manolis Kiagias wrote:



Ga'bor Ko"vesda'n <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" wrote:

Manolis Kiagias escribio':

Never thought this was such a sought-after feature :)

Anyway, here is a quick article I just wrote:

http://store.itsyourftp.com/~sonic2000gr/freebsd/compiz-fusion/article.html 



Your feedback is welcome.
Manolis, this seems to be a very nice work! I'm interested in 
committing it into the FreeBSD doc repository if you can send me the 
sources.

Thanks for your great work.

Cheers,


Sure will do  :)
Let me just have a final look and maybe correct a few minor things, and 
I will email you the sources later today.


Thanks!
Manolis

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I'm glad I asked the question!  By the way ccsm works also within gnome, 
so you can use both gconf and ccsm under gnome.

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Re: Compiz-fusion article

2008-02-10 Thread Manolis Kiagias



Ga'bor Ko"vesda'n <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" wrote:

Manolis Kiagias escribio':

Never thought this was such a sought-after feature :)

Anyway, here is a quick article I just wrote:

http://store.itsyourftp.com/~sonic2000gr/freebsd/compiz-fusion/article.html 



Your feedback is welcome.
Manolis, this seems to be a very nice work! I'm interested in 
committing it into the FreeBSD doc repository if you can send me the 
sources.

Thanks for your great work.

Cheers,


Sure will do  :)
Let me just have a final look and maybe correct a few minor things, and 
I will email you the sources later today.


Thanks!
Manolis

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Re: Compiz-fusion article

2008-02-10 Thread vesda'n <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Manolis Kiagias escribio':

Never thought this was such a sought-after feature :)

Anyway, here is a quick article I just wrote:

http://store.itsyourftp.com/~sonic2000gr/freebsd/compiz-fusion/article.html 



Your feedback is welcome.
Manolis, this seems to be a very nice work! I'm interested in committing 
it into the FreeBSD doc repository if you can send me the sources.

Thanks for your great work.

Cheers,

--
Gabor Kovesdan

EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WWW:   http://www.kovesdan.org

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Re: Compiz-fusion article

2008-02-07 Thread Manolis Kiagias



E. J. Cerejo wrote:


I found what the problem was under KDE, in your tutorial you tell us to
run these commands as a regular user:

compiz --replace --sm-disable --ignore-desktop-hints ccp
emerald --replace

I found that both of these commands need a & sign at the end of each of
these commands, which will look like this:

compiz --replace --sm-disable --ignore-desktop-hints ccp &
emerald --replace &

once you run them like this, KDE will stop acting weird and starts
functioning correctly.  Now when you restart kde it no longer starts
compiz automatically and you will get all the window borders and you are
able to save the settings using ccsm.

Which is not the case when running gnome.  Once you run these commands,
compiz will work normally just like in KDE but it won't let you save any
settings, another words if you run ccsm it won't let you select or
unselect any plugins.  Compiz command might be a little different for
gnome.
Gnome will also complain if you run these commands without
installing /usr/ports/x11-themes/ubuntulooks first, once you install this
it will stop complainning.  I will try to find out why I can't use ccsm
and if I find out I will let you know.
  

I don't know about KDE, but I am using compiz-fusion (manually) in gnome
without having installed ubuntulooks.
Thanks for your investigation and feedback. If you come up with a
complete set of settings, I will update the article.



The only way to fix gnome and get the settings to save was to delete the user 
and recreate it again.  I found out what causes compiz to act weird like this 
is when you try to run compiz with different options than the ones you gave 
me.  If that happens than you have to recreate the user account.  Deleting 
the .config directory is not enough, don't know why.  

Do not forget to update your article by adding the "&" at the end of the 
compiz and emerald commands.  If they get run without "&" sign at the end, 
compiz will start acting weird on you.


Thanks for your help, it's working very well now.
  
Thanks, I just updated the article, you may want to have a look at it 
again. Quick link here:


http://store.itsyourftp.com/~sonic2000gr/freebsd/compiz-fusion/article.html

I added the "&" and the script for GNOME.
I found out compiz-fusion saves setting in gconf, if you have it 
compiled with "gconf support" (like I did). My guess is if this is not 
selected, it will use the .compizconfig folder. I have not tested this 
though (but maybe will recompile just to see).
It is quite possible that deleting the apps/compiz key in gconf will 
restore any weird behaviour, instead of actually recreating the user.


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Re: Compiz-fusion article

2008-02-07 Thread E. J. Cerejo
On Tuesday 05 February 2008 23:49:48 Manolis Kiagias wrote:
> E. J. Cerejo wrote:
> > On Tuesday 05 February 2008 01:39:07 Manolis Kiagias wrote:
> >> E. J. Cerejo wrote:
> >>> Manolis Kiagias wrote:
>  Alphons "Fonz" van Werven wrote:
> > E. J. Cerejo wrote:
> >> Is there a tutorial on how to configure compiz fusion on FBSD 6.3 /
> >> gnome or fluxbox.
> >
> > 1. Use the port/package.
> > 2. Every now and then I see messages fly by in which you can find
> >exactly which flags/options to use.
> > 3. You are right, there should be documentation...
> >
> > Alphons
> >
> > P.S. I found this stashed in a folder meant for future reference:
> >> Assuming you have already setup you X server for composite, to run
> >> compiz-fusion enter these commands:
> >>
> >> (as normal user)
> >>
> >> compiz --replace --sm-disable --ignore-dekstop-hints ccp &
> >> emerald --replace &
> >
> > Credits to Manolis Kiagias :-)
> 
>  Never thought this was such a sought-after feature :)
> 
>  Anyway, here is a quick article I just wrote:
> 
>  http://store.itsyourftp.com/~sonic2000gr/freebsd/compiz-fusion/article
> .h tml
> 
> 
>  Your feedback is welcome.
> 
>  Manolis
> >>>
> >>> I have it working now but there are two issues that I seem not to be
> >>> able to solve.  First compiz will start when x starts but emerald
> >>> won't start and I get no window borders and can't move them.  Solution
> >>> is to open the terminal window and run emerald --replace &.  Second
> >>> issue is with compiz, I open ccsm to configure my 3d effects but they
> >>> won't get saved, it will let me select them or unselect them but once
> >>> I close ccsm and run it again every change is gone and the defaults
> >>> are back.  Any Ideas?  Do the users have to be members of a special
> >>> group?
> >>
> >> I run compiz by hand, I don't need it on all the time. I will
> >> investigate these and get back to you.
> >>
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> > I found what the problem was under KDE, in your tutorial you tell us to
> > run these commands as a regular user:
> >
> > compiz --replace --sm-disable --ignore-desktop-hints ccp
> > emerald --replace
> >
> > I found that both of these commands need a & sign at the end of each of
> > these commands, which will look like this:
> >
> > compiz --replace --sm-disable --ignore-desktop-hints ccp &
> > emerald --replace &
> >
> > once you run them like this, KDE will stop acting weird and starts
> > functioning correctly.  Now when you restart kde it no longer starts
> > compiz automatically and you will get all the window borders and you are
> > able to save the settings using ccsm.
> >
> > Which is not the case when running gnome.  Once you run these commands,
> > compiz will work normally just like in KDE but it won't let you save any
> > settings, another words if you run ccsm it won't let you select or
> > unselect any plugins.  Compiz command might be a little different for
> > gnome.
> > Gnome will also complain if you run these commands without
> > installing /usr/ports/x11-themes/ubuntulooks first, once you install this
> > it will stop complainning.  I will try to find out why I can't use ccsm
> > and if I find out I will let you know.
>
> I don't know about KDE, but I am using compiz-fusion (manually) in gnome
> without having installed ubuntulooks.
> Thanks for your investigation and feedback. If you come up with a
> complete set of settings, I will update the article.

The only way to fix gnome and get the settings to save was to delete the user 
and recreate it again.  I found out what causes compiz to act weird like this 
is when you try to run compiz with different options than the ones you gave 
me.  If that happens than you have to recreate the user account.  Deleting 
the .config directory is not enough, don't know why.  

Do not forget to update your article by adding the "&" at the end of the 
compiz and emerald commands.  If they get run without "&" sign at the end, 
compiz will start acting weird on you.

Thanks for your help, it's working very well now.


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Re: Compiz-fusion article

2008-02-06 Thread Manolis Kiagias



Manolis Kiagias wrote:



E. J. Cerejo wrote:
I found what the problem was under KDE, in your tutorial you tell us 
to run these commands as a regular user:


compiz --replace --sm-disable --ignore-desktop-hints ccp
emerald --replace

I found that both of these commands need a & sign at the end of each 
of these commands, which will look like this:


compiz --replace --sm-disable --ignore-desktop-hints ccp &
emerald --replace &

once you run them like this, KDE will stop acting weird and starts 
functioning correctly.  Now when you restart kde it no longer starts 
compiz automatically and you will get all the window borders and you 
are able to save the settings using ccsm.


Which is not the case when running gnome.  Once you run these 
commands, compiz will work normally just like in KDE but it won't let 
you save any settings, another words if you run ccsm it won't let you 
select or unselect any plugins.  Compiz command might be a little 
different for gnome.  Gnome will also complain if you run these 
commands without installing /usr/ports/x11-themes/ubuntulooks first, 
once you install this it will stop complainning.  I will try to find 
out why I can't use ccsm and if I find out I will let you know.



  

I have tested this as a startup script in Gnome:

#! /bin/sh
compiz --replace --sm-disable --ignore-desktop-hints ccp &
emerald --replace &

I have entered this in "Sessions" as a Startup Program and it works fine.
I am also able to change settings with ccsm (which should also be run 
as the normal user, BTW) and the settings are saved.
Now, I don't really know where these are saved, documentation mentions 
a .compizconfig folder, but I don't have it.

I don't have ubuntu-looks installed.

I don't have KDE installed on this machine, so can't test with this.
Thanks again for your feedback.

Actually just found out there are three different backends for saving 
settings, according to their wiki:


http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/CCSM#head-340a755b8f870831a20b51544a116f6dc4795735

namely gconf, KConfig and flat files

(look at the bottom of the page)

I have compiled compiz-fusion with gconf support, the settings in 
gconf-editor are under apps/compiz.

You may wish to check what options you used during compilation.

I will update the article tomorrow to reflect all this.
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Re: Compiz-fusion article

2008-02-06 Thread Manolis Kiagias



E. J. Cerejo wrote:
I found what the problem was under KDE, in your tutorial you tell us to run 
these commands as a regular user:


compiz --replace --sm-disable --ignore-desktop-hints ccp
emerald --replace

I found that both of these commands need a & sign at the end of each of these 
commands, which will look like this:


compiz --replace --sm-disable --ignore-desktop-hints ccp &
emerald --replace &

once you run them like this, KDE will stop acting weird and starts functioning 
correctly.  Now when you restart kde it no longer starts compiz automatically 
and you will get all the window borders and you are able to save the settings 
using ccsm.


Which is not the case when running gnome.  Once you run these commands, compiz 
will work normally just like in KDE but it won't let you save any settings, 
another words if you run ccsm it won't let you select or unselect any 
plugins.  Compiz command might be a little different for gnome.  
Gnome will also complain if you run these commands without 
installing /usr/ports/x11-themes/ubuntulooks first, once you install this it 
will stop complainning.  I will try to find out why I can't use ccsm and if I 
find out I will let you know.



  

I have tested this as a startup script in Gnome:

#! /bin/sh
compiz --replace --sm-disable --ignore-desktop-hints ccp &
emerald --replace &

I have entered this in "Sessions" as a Startup Program and it works fine.
I am also able to change settings with ccsm (which should also be run as 
the normal user, BTW) and the settings are saved.
Now, I don't really know where these are saved, documentation mentions a 
.compizconfig folder, but I don't have it.

I don't have ubuntu-looks installed.

I don't have KDE installed on this machine, so can't test with this.
Thanks again for your feedback.

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Re: Compiz-fusion article

2008-02-05 Thread Manolis Kiagias



E. J. Cerejo wrote:

On Tuesday 05 February 2008 01:39:07 Manolis Kiagias wrote:
  

E. J. Cerejo wrote:


Manolis Kiagias wrote:
  

Alphons "Fonz" van Werven wrote:


E. J. Cerejo wrote:
  

Is there a tutorial on how to configure compiz fusion on FBSD 6.3 /
gnome or fluxbox.


1. Use the port/package.
2. Every now and then I see messages fly by in which you can find
   exactly which flags/options to use.
3. You are right, there should be documentation...

Alphons

P.S. I found this stashed in a folder meant for future reference:
  

Assuming you have already setup you X server for composite, to run
compiz-fusion enter these commands:

(as normal user)

compiz --replace --sm-disable --ignore-dekstop-hints ccp &
emerald --replace &


Credits to Manolis Kiagias :-)
  

Never thought this was such a sought-after feature :)

Anyway, here is a quick article I just wrote:

http://store.itsyourftp.com/~sonic2000gr/freebsd/compiz-fusion/article.h
tml


Your feedback is welcome.

Manolis


I have it working now but there are two issues that I seem not to be
able to solve.  First compiz will start when x starts but emerald
won't start and I get no window borders and can't move them.  Solution
is to open the terminal window and run emerald --replace &.  Second
issue is with compiz, I open ccsm to configure my 3d effects but they
won't get saved, it will let me select them or unselect them but once
I close ccsm and run it again every change is gone and the defaults
are back.  Any Ideas?  Do the users have to be members of a special
group?
  

I run compiz by hand, I don't need it on all the time. I will
investigate these and get back to you.

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I found what the problem was under KDE, in your tutorial you tell us to run 
these commands as a regular user:


compiz --replace --sm-disable --ignore-desktop-hints ccp
emerald --replace

I found that both of these commands need a & sign at the end of each of these 
commands, which will look like this:


compiz --replace --sm-disable --ignore-desktop-hints ccp &
emerald --replace &

once you run them like this, KDE will stop acting weird and starts functioning 
correctly.  Now when you restart kde it no longer starts compiz automatically 
and you will get all the window borders and you are able to save the settings 
using ccsm.


Which is not the case when running gnome.  Once you run these commands, compiz 
will work normally just like in KDE but it won't let you save any settings, 
another words if you run ccsm it won't let you select or unselect any 
plugins.  Compiz command might be a little different for gnome.  
Gnome will also complain if you run these commands without 
installing /usr/ports/x11-themes/ubuntulooks first, once you install this it 
will stop complainning.  I will try to find out why I can't use ccsm and if I 
find out I will let you know.
  
I don't know about KDE, but I am using compiz-fusion (manually) in gnome 
without having installed ubuntulooks.
Thanks for your investigation and feedback. If you come up with a 
complete set of settings, I will update the article.



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Re: Compiz-fusion article

2008-02-05 Thread E. J. Cerejo
On Tuesday 05 February 2008 01:39:07 Manolis Kiagias wrote:
> E. J. Cerejo wrote:
> > Manolis Kiagias wrote:
> >> Alphons "Fonz" van Werven wrote:
> >>> E. J. Cerejo wrote:
>  Is there a tutorial on how to configure compiz fusion on FBSD 6.3 /
>  gnome or fluxbox.
> >>>
> >>> 1. Use the port/package.
> >>> 2. Every now and then I see messages fly by in which you can find
> >>>exactly which flags/options to use.
> >>> 3. You are right, there should be documentation...
> >>>
> >>> Alphons
> >>>
> >>> P.S. I found this stashed in a folder meant for future reference:
> >>> > Assuming you have already setup you X server for composite, to run
> >>> > compiz-fusion enter these commands:
> >>> >
> >>> > (as normal user)
> >>> >
> >>> > compiz --replace --sm-disable --ignore-dekstop-hints ccp &
> >>> > emerald --replace &
> >>>
> >>> Credits to Manolis Kiagias :-)
> >>
> >> Never thought this was such a sought-after feature :)
> >>
> >> Anyway, here is a quick article I just wrote:
> >>
> >> http://store.itsyourftp.com/~sonic2000gr/freebsd/compiz-fusion/article.h
> >>tml
> >>
> >>
> >> Your feedback is welcome.
> >>
> >> Manolis
> >
> > I have it working now but there are two issues that I seem not to be
> > able to solve.  First compiz will start when x starts but emerald
> > won't start and I get no window borders and can't move them.  Solution
> > is to open the terminal window and run emerald --replace &.  Second
> > issue is with compiz, I open ccsm to configure my 3d effects but they
> > won't get saved, it will let me select them or unselect them but once
> > I close ccsm and run it again every change is gone and the defaults
> > are back.  Any Ideas?  Do the users have to be members of a special
> > group?
>
> I run compiz by hand, I don't need it on all the time. I will
> investigate these and get back to you.
>
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I found what the problem was under KDE, in your tutorial you tell us to run 
these commands as a regular user:

compiz --replace --sm-disable --ignore-desktop-hints ccp
emerald --replace

I found that both of these commands need a & sign at the end of each of these 
commands, which will look like this:

compiz --replace --sm-disable --ignore-desktop-hints ccp &
emerald --replace &

once you run them like this, KDE will stop acting weird and starts functioning 
correctly.  Now when you restart kde it no longer starts compiz automatically 
and you will get all the window borders and you are able to save the settings 
using ccsm.

Which is not the case when running gnome.  Once you run these commands, compiz 
will work normally just like in KDE but it won't let you save any settings, 
another words if you run ccsm it won't let you select or unselect any 
plugins.  Compiz command might be a little different for gnome.  
Gnome will also complain if you run these commands without 
installing /usr/ports/x11-themes/ubuntulooks first, once you install this it 
will stop complainning.  I will try to find out why I can't use ccsm and if I 
find out I will let you know.



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Re: Compiz-fusion article

2008-02-04 Thread Manolis Kiagias



E. J. Cerejo wrote:

Manolis Kiagias wrote:



Alphons "Fonz" van Werven wrote:

E. J. Cerejo wrote:

Is there a tutorial on how to configure compiz fusion on FBSD 6.3 / 
gnome or fluxbox.


1. Use the port/package.
2. Every now and then I see messages fly by in which you can find
   exactly which flags/options to use.
3. You are right, there should be documentation...

Alphons

P.S. I found this stashed in a folder meant for future reference:

> Assuming you have already setup you X server for composite, to run
> compiz-fusion enter these commands:
>
> (as normal user)
>
> compiz --replace --sm-disable --ignore-dekstop-hints ccp &
> emerald --replace &

Credits to Manolis Kiagias :-)

Never thought this was such a sought-after feature :)

Anyway, here is a quick article I just wrote:

http://store.itsyourftp.com/~sonic2000gr/freebsd/compiz-fusion/article.html 



Your feedback is welcome.

Manolis



I have it working now but there are two issues that I seem not to be 
able to solve.  First compiz will start when x starts but emerald 
won't start and I get no window borders and can't move them.  Solution 
is to open the terminal window and run emerald --replace &.  Second 
issue is with compiz, I open ccsm to configure my 3d effects but they 
won't get saved, it will let me select them or unselect them but once 
I close ccsm and run it again every change is gone and the defaults 
are back.  Any Ideas?  Do the users have to be members of a special 
group?



I run compiz by hand, I don't need it on all the time. I will 
investigate these and get back to you.


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Re: Compiz-fusion article

2008-02-04 Thread E. J. Cerejo

Manolis Kiagias wrote:



Alphons "Fonz" van Werven wrote:

E. J. Cerejo wrote:

Is there a tutorial on how to configure compiz fusion on FBSD 6.3 / 
gnome or fluxbox.


1. Use the port/package.
2. Every now and then I see messages fly by in which you can find
   exactly which flags/options to use.
3. You are right, there should be documentation...

Alphons

P.S. I found this stashed in a folder meant for future reference:

> Assuming you have already setup you X server for composite, to run
> compiz-fusion enter these commands:
>
> (as normal user)
>
> compiz --replace --sm-disable --ignore-dekstop-hints ccp &
> emerald --replace &

Credits to Manolis Kiagias :-)

Never thought this was such a sought-after feature :)

Anyway, here is a quick article I just wrote:

http://store.itsyourftp.com/~sonic2000gr/freebsd/compiz-fusion/article.html

Your feedback is welcome.

Manolis



I have it working now but there are two issues that I seem not to be 
able to solve.  First compiz will start when x starts but emerald won't 
start and I get no window borders and can't move them.  Solution is to 
open the terminal window and run emerald --replace &.  Second issue is 
with compiz, I open ccsm to configure my 3d effects but they won't get 
saved, it will let me select them or unselect them but once I close ccsm 
and run it again every change is gone and the defaults are back.  Any 
Ideas?  Do the users have to be members of a special group?

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Re: Compiz-fusion article

2008-02-02 Thread E. J. Cerejo

Manolis Kiagias wrote:



Alphons "Fonz" van Werven wrote:

E. J. Cerejo wrote:

Is there a tutorial on how to configure compiz fusion on FBSD 6.3 / 
gnome or fluxbox.


1. Use the port/package.
2. Every now and then I see messages fly by in which you can find
   exactly which flags/options to use.
3. You are right, there should be documentation...

Alphons

P.S. I found this stashed in a folder meant for future reference:

> Assuming you have already setup you X server for composite, to run
> compiz-fusion enter these commands:
>
> (as normal user)
>
> compiz --replace --sm-disable --ignore-dekstop-hints ccp &
> emerald --replace &

Credits to Manolis Kiagias :-)

Never thought this was such a sought-after feature :)

Anyway, here is a quick article I just wrote:

http://store.itsyourftp.com/~sonic2000gr/freebsd/compiz-fusion/article.html

Your feedback is welcome.

Manolis
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