Re: Help with Booting
Hi, On Saturday 23 April 2011 12:57:32 Doug Hardie wrote: On 22 April 2011, at 21:28, Erich Dollansky wrote: It looks to me that not even the loader loads. Is this true? I am not sure. The last message is the timestamp from the original distribution build. Then is a line with just the '/' character that should spin a bit. It doesn't. By playing around a bit I got it a bit farther. I took one of the raid disks and mounted it in a different system. I did an install on it but without changing the label other than to use all the disk. Then I put it back in the production system and booted. It appears to retain the RAID characteristics, but all I get is a '-' at the top left of the screen. I then plugged in the memstick image and booted from that. Right after the last DOS window I pressed F10 which took me to a FreeBSD boot line with the default pointing to ad0. I used 0:ad(4,a)/boot/loader and it went on to the same point as before, but then a bit farther. I now see: this is all to weird for me. Could you install a disk not using the raid hardware? It would then exclude the motherboard as the cause. Erich Loading /boot/defaults/loader.conf /boot/kernel/kernel text=0x8ffac1 | The '|' normally spins a couple of times and moves on to the next section. However, its hung there now. On Saturday 23 April 2011 05:38:41 Doug Hardie wrote: I have an AMD based system that is driving me nuts. I am trying to install 8.2 on it but can't get past the first boot. I had a system up and running on it before, but I had to remove a drive and do the install on another computer. That worked, but now I need to use the built in RAID hardware. As best as I can tell I am going to have to install on the the actual hardware. Motherboard is an Arima NM46X. The machine appears to be about 6 years old. I have tried to boot the install disk, the live filesystem disk, and the memstick image for FreeBSD 7.0 through 8.2. All of them do exactly the same thing: Bootstart starts. BTX loader lists the drives and memory FreeBSD bootstrap loader version 1.1 starts. I get the build date and then a new line with just a '/' on it. It never begins to spin. No additional I/O occurs with the boot device. The memstick and CDs are good. They boot just fine on another computer, just not this one. I have had to work around CD issues in the past, but I thought the memstick would work if the BIOS would recognize it and boot from it. It recognizes it and tries to boot. I need some ideas here as the RAID is essential for this application. Thanks, ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with Booting
On 22 April 2011, at 23:46, Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, On Saturday 23 April 2011 12:57:32 Doug Hardie wrote: On 22 April 2011, at 21:28, Erich Dollansky wrote: It looks to me that not even the loader loads. Is this true? I am not sure. The last message is the timestamp from the original distribution build. Then is a line with just the '/' character that should spin a bit. It doesn't. By playing around a bit I got it a bit farther. I took one of the raid disks and mounted it in a different system. I did an install on it but without changing the label other than to use all the disk. Then I put it back in the production system and booted. It appears to retain the RAID characteristics, but all I get is a '-' at the top left of the screen. I then plugged in the memstick image and booted from that. Right after the last DOS window I pressed F10 which took me to a FreeBSD boot line with the default pointing to ad0. I used 0:ad(4,a)/boot/loader and it went on to the same point as before, but then a bit farther. I now see: this is all to weird for me. Could you install a disk not using the raid hardware? It would then exclude the motherboard as the cause. Erich No. That didn't work either. I had been using the machine on amd64 but I had to install with the drive on another system. I couldn't get it to boot of CD or memstick. However, the memstick I used then was dead today so I bought a new one hoping that was the problem. Unfortunately this stick is good, but it still won't boot off it. Loading /boot/defaults/loader.conf /boot/kernel/kernel text=0x8ffac1 | The '|' normally spins a couple of times and moves on to the next section. However, its hung there now. On Saturday 23 April 2011 05:38:41 Doug Hardie wrote: I have an AMD based system that is driving me nuts. I am trying to install 8.2 on it but can't get past the first boot. I had a system up and running on it before, but I had to remove a drive and do the install on another computer. That worked, but now I need to use the built in RAID hardware. As best as I can tell I am going to have to install on the the actual hardware. Motherboard is an Arima NM46X. The machine appears to be about 6 years old. I have tried to boot the install disk, the live filesystem disk, and the memstick image for FreeBSD 7.0 through 8.2. All of them do exactly the same thing: Bootstart starts. BTX loader lists the drives and memory FreeBSD bootstrap loader version 1.1 starts. I get the build date and then a new line with just a '/' on it. It never begins to spin. No additional I/O occurs with the boot device. The memstick and CDs are good. They boot just fine on another computer, just not this one. I have had to work around CD issues in the past, but I thought the memstick would work if the BIOS would recognize it and boot from it. It recognizes it and tries to boot. I need some ideas here as the RAID is essential for this application. Thanks, ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with Booting
Hi, I only can tell what I do when a machine does not boot from the installation media: I plug the disk into another machine, install the generic kernel, edit /etc and put it back. If this does not work, it will be hard. Erich On Saturday 23 April 2011 14:25:13 Doug Hardie wrote: On 22 April 2011, at 23:46, Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, On Saturday 23 April 2011 12:57:32 Doug Hardie wrote: On 22 April 2011, at 21:28, Erich Dollansky wrote: It looks to me that not even the loader loads. Is this true? I am not sure. The last message is the timestamp from the original distribution build. Then is a line with just the '/' character that should spin a bit. It doesn't. By playing around a bit I got it a bit farther. I took one of the raid disks and mounted it in a different system. I did an install on it but without changing the label other than to use all the disk. Then I put it back in the production system and booted. It appears to retain the RAID characteristics, but all I get is a '-' at the top left of the screen. I then plugged in the memstick image and booted from that. Right after the last DOS window I pressed F10 which took me to a FreeBSD boot line with the default pointing to ad0. I used 0:ad(4,a)/boot/loader and it went on to the same point as before, but then a bit farther. I now see: this is all to weird for me. Could you install a disk not using the raid hardware? It would then exclude the motherboard as the cause. Erich No. That didn't work either. I had been using the machine on amd64 but I had to install with the drive on another system. I couldn't get it to boot of CD or memstick. However, the memstick I used then was dead today so I bought a new one hoping that was the problem. Unfortunately this stick is good, but it still won't boot off it. Loading /boot/defaults/loader.conf /boot/kernel/kernel text=0x8ffac1 | The '|' normally spins a couple of times and moves on to the next section. However, its hung there now. On Saturday 23 April 2011 05:38:41 Doug Hardie wrote: I have an AMD based system that is driving me nuts. I am trying to install 8.2 on it but can't get past the first boot. I had a system up and running on it before, but I had to remove a drive and do the install on another computer. That worked, but now I need to use the built in RAID hardware. As best as I can tell I am going to have to install on the the actual hardware. Motherboard is an Arima NM46X. The machine appears to be about 6 years old. I have tried to boot the install disk, the live filesystem disk, and the memstick image for FreeBSD 7.0 through 8.2. All of them do exactly the same thing: Bootstart starts. BTX loader lists the drives and memory FreeBSD bootstrap loader version 1.1 starts. I get the build date and then a new line with just a '/' on it. It never begins to spin. No additional I/O occurs with the boot device. The memstick and CDs are good. They boot just fine on another computer, just not this one. I have had to work around CD issues in the past, but I thought the memstick would work if the BIOS would recognize it and boot from it. It recognizes it and tries to boot. I need some ideas here as the RAID is essential for this application. Thanks, ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with Booting
On 23 April 2011, at 02:20, Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, I only can tell what I do when a machine does not boot from the installation media: I plug the disk into another machine, install the generic kernel, edit /etc and put it back. If this does not work, it will be hard. That works, but then I end up without having RAID activated. I am trying to get the hardware RAID working. Erich On Saturday 23 April 2011 14:25:13 Doug Hardie wrote: On 22 April 2011, at 23:46, Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, On Saturday 23 April 2011 12:57:32 Doug Hardie wrote: On 22 April 2011, at 21:28, Erich Dollansky wrote: It looks to me that not even the loader loads. Is this true? I am not sure. The last message is the timestamp from the original distribution build. Then is a line with just the '/' character that should spin a bit. It doesn't. By playing around a bit I got it a bit farther. I took one of the raid disks and mounted it in a different system. I did an install on it but without changing the label other than to use all the disk. Then I put it back in the production system and booted. It appears to retain the RAID characteristics, but all I get is a '-' at the top left of the screen. I then plugged in the memstick image and booted from that. Right after the last DOS window I pressed F10 which took me to a FreeBSD boot line with the default pointing to ad0. I used 0:ad(4,a)/boot/loader and it went on to the same point as before, but then a bit farther. I now see: this is all to weird for me. Could you install a disk not using the raid hardware? It would then exclude the motherboard as the cause. Erich No. That didn't work either. I had been using the machine on amd64 but I had to install with the drive on another system. I couldn't get it to boot of CD or memstick. However, the memstick I used then was dead today so I bought a new one hoping that was the problem. Unfortunately this stick is good, but it still won't boot off it. Loading /boot/defaults/loader.conf /boot/kernel/kernel text=0x8ffac1 | The '|' normally spins a couple of times and moves on to the next section. However, its hung there now. On Saturday 23 April 2011 05:38:41 Doug Hardie wrote: I have an AMD based system that is driving me nuts. I am trying to install 8.2 on it but can't get past the first boot. I had a system up and running on it before, but I had to remove a drive and do the install on another computer. That worked, but now I need to use the built in RAID hardware. As best as I can tell I am going to have to install on the the actual hardware. Motherboard is an Arima NM46X. The machine appears to be about 6 years old. I have tried to boot the install disk, the live filesystem disk, and the memstick image for FreeBSD 7.0 through 8.2. All of them do exactly the same thing: Bootstart starts. BTX loader lists the drives and memory FreeBSD bootstrap loader version 1.1 starts. I get the build date and then a new line with just a '/' on it. It never begins to spin. No additional I/O occurs with the boot device. The memstick and CDs are good. They boot just fine on another computer, just not this one. I have had to work around CD issues in the past, but I thought the memstick would work if the BIOS would recognize it and boot from it. It recognizes it and tries to boot. I need some ideas here as the RAID is essential for this application. Thanks, ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with Booting
Hi, On Saturday 23 April 2011 16:30:39 Doug Hardie wrote: On 23 April 2011, at 02:20, Erich Dollansky wrote: I only can tell what I do when a machine does not boot from the installation media: I plug the disk into another machine, install the generic kernel, edit /etc and put it back. If this does not work, it will be hard. That works, but then I end up without having RAID activated. I am trying to get the hardware RAID working. but your system runs then. Isn't it possible then to build a custom kernel which supports the specific RAID hardware on this machine and install the new kernel there. Oh, could it be that the loader is not able to start from the RAID hardware? Is it possible that even a custom kernel will need an extra boot medium to start with? Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with Booting
On 23 April 2011, at 03:04, Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, On Saturday 23 April 2011 16:30:39 Doug Hardie wrote: On 23 April 2011, at 02:20, Erich Dollansky wrote: I only can tell what I do when a machine does not boot from the installation media: I plug the disk into another machine, install the generic kernel, edit /etc and put it back. If this does not work, it will be hard. That works, but then I end up without having RAID activated. I am trying to get the hardware RAID working. but your system runs then. Isn't it possible then to build a custom kernel which supports the specific RAID hardware on this machine and install the new kernel there. Oh, could it be that the loader is not able to start from the RAID hardware? Is it possible that even a custom kernel will need an extra boot medium to start with? Thats what I was hoping to be able to do. However, I can't get it to boot without the RAID either. I have tried numerous tests of formatting the drives on the RAID, then moving them to another system and installing the software. They still won't boot. The RAID appears to be using a very unusual bootstrap. I get the message OS not found continuously on the screen regardless of how I build the system. Somehow I am going to need to be able to boot from CD or memstick to get this working. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with Booting
I haven't seen a verbose dmesg output booting from a non-RAID hard drive. I have 7.4-STABLE working on several multi-CPU Opteron systems, but they are all Tyan motherboards. Are Rioworks/Arima still in business? Rather than use the on-board controllers I've just bought some of the LSI 300-8X PCI-X RAID controllers which are cheap and work very well with SATA 2 drives (and FreeBSD). The Adaptec 2610 series are even cheaper, but they are only SATA 1. Mike Squires Tyan S2885 Tyan S4881 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with Booting
Hi, On Sunday 24 April 2011 00:37:52 Doug Hardie wrote: On 23 April 2011, at 03:04, Erich Dollansky wrote: On Saturday 23 April 2011 16:30:39 Doug Hardie wrote: On 23 April 2011, at 02:20, Erich Dollansky wrote: I only can tell what I do when a machine does not boot from the installation media: I plug the disk into another machine, install the generic kernel, edit /etc and put it back. If this does not work, it will be hard. That works, but then I end up without having RAID activated. I am trying to get the hardware RAID working. but your system runs then. Isn't it possible then to build a custom kernel which supports the specific RAID hardware on this machine and install the new kernel there. Oh, could it be that the loader is not able to start from the RAID hardware? Is it possible that even a custom kernel will need an extra boot medium to start with? Thats what I was hoping to be able to do. However, I can't get it to boot without the RAID either. I have tried numerous tests of formatting the drives on the RAID, then moving them to another system and installing the software. They still won't boot. The RAID appears to be using a very unusual bootstrap. I get the message OS not found continuously on the screen regardless of how I build the system. Somehow I am going to need to be able to boot from CD or memstick to get this working. is the other system identical to your system? If you move disks from one RAID controller to another RAID controller, the success depends on many more factors than just the proper plugs. Isn't there a way to boot the machine without RAID? Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with Booting
On 23 April 2011, at 12:45, Michael L. Squires wrote: I haven't seen a verbose dmesg output booting from a non-RAID hard drive. I have 7.4-STABLE working on several multi-CPU Opteron systems, but they are all Tyan motherboards. Are Rioworks/Arima still in business? I believe so. Their web page is there, but mostly in Chinese. Rather than use the on-board controllers I've just bought some of the LSI 300-8X PCI-X RAID controllers which are cheap and work very well with SATA 2 drives (and FreeBSD). The Adaptec 2610 series are even cheaper, but they are only SATA 1. These boxes have no additional room for expansion cards. They have 4 apparently hot-swappable drives in the front.___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with Booting
Am 23.04.2011, 00:38 Uhr, schrieb Doug Hardie bc...@lafn.org: I have an AMD based system that is driving me nuts. I am trying to install 8.2 on it but can't get past the first boot. I had a system up and running on it before, but I had to remove a drive and do the install on another computer. That worked, but now I need to use the built in RAID hardware. As best as I can tell I am going to have to install on the the actual hardware. Motherboard is an Arima NM46X. The machine appears to be about 6 years old. I have tried to boot the install disk, the live filesystem disk, and the memstick image for FreeBSD 7.0 through 8.2. All of them do exactly the same thing: Bootstart starts. BTX loader lists the drives and memory FreeBSD bootstrap loader version 1.1 starts. I get the build date and then a new line with just a '/' on it. It never begins to spin. No additional I/O occurs with the boot device. The memstick and CDs are good. They boot just fine on another computer, just not this one. I have had to work around CD issues in the past, but I thought the memstick would work if the BIOS would recognize it and boot from it. It recognizes it and tries to boot. I need some ideas here as the RAID is essential for this application. Thanks, Architecture mismatch, trying to boot a amd64 on an i386 machine? Michael ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with Booting
On 22 April 2011, at 16:37, Michael Ross wrote: Am 23.04.2011, 00:38 Uhr, schrieb Doug Hardie bc...@lafn.org: I have an AMD based system that is driving me nuts. I am trying to install 8.2 on it but can't get past the first boot. I had a system up and running on it before, but I had to remove a drive and do the install on another computer. That worked, but now I need to use the built in RAID hardware. As best as I can tell I am going to have to install on the the actual hardware. Motherboard is an Arima NM46X. The machine appears to be about 6 years old. I have tried to boot the install disk, the live filesystem disk, and the memstick image for FreeBSD 7.0 through 8.2. All of them do exactly the same thing: Bootstart starts. BTX loader lists the drives and memory FreeBSD bootstrap loader version 1.1 starts. I get the build date and then a new line with just a '/' on it. It never begins to spin. No additional I/O occurs with the boot device. The memstick and CDs are good. They boot just fine on another computer, just not this one. I have had to work around CD issues in the past, but I thought the memstick would work if the BIOS would recognize it and boot from it. It recognizes it and tries to boot. I need some ideas here as the RAID is essential for this application. Thanks, Architecture mismatch, trying to boot a amd64 on an i386 machine? That machine runs amd64 just fine. I have to build the disk on another computer. This one will not boot any of the CDs from 6.0 and on. I have only tried the 8.2 memstick version. All of the CDs and memstick boot just fine on a different computer. I suspect its something with the BIOS but no ideas where to even start looking.___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with Booting
Hi, does the loader start? It looks to me that not even the loader loads. Is this true? Erich On Saturday 23 April 2011 05:38:41 Doug Hardie wrote: I have an AMD based system that is driving me nuts. I am trying to install 8.2 on it but can't get past the first boot. I had a system up and running on it before, but I had to remove a drive and do the install on another computer. That worked, but now I need to use the built in RAID hardware. As best as I can tell I am going to have to install on the the actual hardware. Motherboard is an Arima NM46X. The machine appears to be about 6 years old. I have tried to boot the install disk, the live filesystem disk, and the memstick image for FreeBSD 7.0 through 8.2. All of them do exactly the same thing: Bootstart starts. BTX loader lists the drives and memory FreeBSD bootstrap loader version 1.1 starts. I get the build date and then a new line with just a '/' on it. It never begins to spin. No additional I/O occurs with the boot device. The memstick and CDs are good. They boot just fine on another computer, just not this one. I have had to work around CD issues in the past, but I thought the memstick would work if the BIOS would recognize it and boot from it. It recognizes it and tries to boot. I need some ideas here as the RAID is essential for this application. Thanks, ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with Booting
On 22 April 2011, at 21:28, Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, does the loader start? It looks to me that not even the loader loads. Is this true? Erich I am not sure. The last message is the timestamp from the original distribution build. Then is a line with just the '/' character that should spin a bit. It doesn't. By playing around a bit I got it a bit farther. I took one of the raid disks and mounted it in a different system. I did an install on it but without changing the label other than to use all the disk. Then I put it back in the production system and booted. It appears to retain the RAID characteristics, but all I get is a '-' at the top left of the screen. I then plugged in the memstick image and booted from that. Right after the last DOS window I pressed F10 which took me to a FreeBSD boot line with the default pointing to ad0. I used 0:ad(4,a)/boot/loader and it went on to the same point as before, but then a bit farther. I now see: Loading /boot/defaults/loader.conf /boot/kernel/kernel text=0x8ffac1 | The '|' normally spins a couple of times and moves on to the next section. However, its hung there now. On Saturday 23 April 2011 05:38:41 Doug Hardie wrote: I have an AMD based system that is driving me nuts. I am trying to install 8.2 on it but can't get past the first boot. I had a system up and running on it before, but I had to remove a drive and do the install on another computer. That worked, but now I need to use the built in RAID hardware. As best as I can tell I am going to have to install on the the actual hardware. Motherboard is an Arima NM46X. The machine appears to be about 6 years old. I have tried to boot the install disk, the live filesystem disk, and the memstick image for FreeBSD 7.0 through 8.2. All of them do exactly the same thing: Bootstart starts. BTX loader lists the drives and memory FreeBSD bootstrap loader version 1.1 starts. I get the build date and then a new line with just a '/' on it. It never begins to spin. No additional I/O occurs with the boot device. The memstick and CDs are good. They boot just fine on another computer, just not this one. I have had to work around CD issues in the past, but I thought the memstick would work if the BIOS would recognize it and boot from it. It recognizes it and tries to boot. I need some ideas here as the RAID is essential for this application. Thanks, ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
