RE: Intel Mac experiences
>-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Scott Sipe >Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 12:14 AM >To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >Subject: Re: Intel Mac experiences > > > >On May 26, 2006, at 1:36 AM, vayu wrote: > >> >> On May 25, 2006, at 9:13 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >> >>> >>> James, you missed the point. If you have an Intel MAC it came >>> with MacOS X (tiger) and that is basically the same operating >>> system as FreeBSD. Meaning, what are you trying to gain? If >>> anything, your worse off with FreeBSD since MacOS X comes with >>> a gorgeous user interface that FreeBSD does not have. >>> >>> Ted >> >> >> I can understand the desire. OS X does have a polished and >> beautiful desktop environment, but it is not FreeBSD. If money >> were no object for me, I would want a Macbook Pro with a triple >> boot of OS X, Win XP and FreeBSD. >> >> Back to the original topic: James, I'm curious that you had any >> results booting with any BSD or Linux. The Intel Macs have no >> BIOS, I have read of hacks that got Linux (and Windows before >> Apple offered it) to work, but it didn't seem straight forward >> based on the accounts I read. > >This is not true--how do you think Bootcamp works? It provides BIOS >emulation for booting windows, and whatever else. > >Secondly, why do people keep saying that OSX and FreeBSD are >"basically the same operating system" -- if by basically the same you >mean have a unix base, then sure. OSX runs on a hybrid mach >microkernel (and with all the performance baggage this comes with). A >great deal of the userland utilities originate from NetBSD or even >OpenBSD in addition to FreeBSD. There is no ports system (sure, >darwinports is similiar, though far less extensive). Boot system is >entirely different. There's no way to buildworld or buildkernel, etc. >Directory services are done completely differently than in Freebsd >(netinfo?). There's not even an /etc/fstab. One could go on... > Because from a user's perspective of running and building software they are the same. Sure, you can't do the equivalent of a buildworld, but OS X is a commercial system they don't supply source code with. So, all of the utilities and scripts that FreeBSD has for managing the source to the operating system are of course not going to be present if the source for the system isn't supplied. As for performance comparisons, anyone buying an Intel Mac isn't looking for peak performance. If they really were looking for peak performance out of consumer-level gear they would get the fastest Wintel motherboard and overclock it and run FreeBSD on it. They wouldn't be buying a Mac, or a HP, or a Dell, or any of those since those companies don't manufacture bleeding-edge systems. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Intel Mac experiences
On May 26, 2006, at 7:54 AM, John Cruz wrote: When it comes right down to it, the differences between freeBSD and MacOS X (darwin) are very minimal. No, you can't do a buildworld because you can't build the kernel source because the source is closed. But why would you need to? The kernel is already built and optomized for your Mac hardware. As you stated, the kernels are different anyways. No ports system, but when you have a plethora of point-click-install software the need isn't really there.But basic OS functioning is the same, they all (all the BSDs and MacOS) are basically the same at the os level, but not the kernel level. Also, i'm pretty sure that /etc/fstab/ exists on OS X This is not true. There are very big differences on how you admin and run them. I have been running FBSD for 10 years or longer and have been running OS X since the public beta and the NeXT OSes and the Apple/NeXT hybrids that came in between, before OS X. OS X is much different from an admin perspective, both client and server versions. Things you would do in FreeBSD you don't do on OS X and vice versa. As an example, lots of standard unix like config files seem to exist on OS X but when you look at them they are empty or full of comments only and you learn that the data is actually taken out of netinfo. OS X has very little to do with FreeBSD (different kernel, different driver architecture, different "admin" style and setup and files, different file structure, even in most cases a different file system type) EXCEP that Apple implemented a kernel layer that makes it look like a FBSD kernel so that userland utilities could be easily ported for the BSD subsystem (which is optional on OS X) and they took the FreeBSD userland as a base for their BSD subsystem userland. There are probably other minor sharings of code etc and some things have been shared for MSDOS and other FS compatibilities etc. Ted (not in the post above) claimed that OS X is a commercialized FreeBSD.This is not true. (Unless you want to say that FreeBSD is a Linux distribution because they share the gnu compilers and many other gnu tools and programs.) And OS X is "run" much differently than FreeBSD. OS X is a *nix-like OS and has a BSD subsystem so you can port normal non-X unix apps easily and if you install the optional Apple X11 then X apps can pretty easily be ported. As a user at a shell prompt you won't find much difference (and you won't find that difference on OpenBSD, NetBSD, or even Linux, and to a great extent with Solaris etc). But from an admin perspective, from "running" the system, they are worlds, and I mean worlds, apart. Luckily for simple things like running make files etc (once you have appropriate tools installed) they are close, like any "unix" is close. Chad --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad at shire.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Intel Mac experiences
On 5/26/06, vayu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I can understand the desire. OS X does have a polished and beautiful desktop environment, but it is not FreeBSD. If money were no object for me, I would want a Macbook Pro with a triple boot of OS X, Win XP and FreeBSD. Back to the original topic: James, I'm curious that you had any results booting with any BSD or Linux. The Intel Macs have no BIOS, I have read of hacks that got Linux (and Windows before Apple offered it) to work, but it didn't seem straight forward based on the accounts I read. Maybe I'm just experiencing withdrawls from not using FreeBSD! ;) To try to boot any of these install CD's all ya do is hold down the C key to boot from the CD drive. Gentoo Linux had no problems booting, and GNOME actually felt quite fast (this is using the LiveCD). I think the hacks you read about are for getting an EFI compatible boot loader setup, or for getting winxp running before Apple's Boot Camp came out. I got the Intel Mac Mini mainly for the hardware. I like it's tiny size, low power consumption, and silent operation. I have another OS X machine at home, so I always planned to install FreeBSD on this Mac Mini when it was possible. I can get my work done on any system. So I just like to run the system that I enjoy playing with the most! James ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Intel Mac experiences
John Cruz wrote: Scott Sipe wrote: ... the same, they all (all the BSDs and MacOS) are basically the same at the os level, but not the kernel level. Also, i'm pretty sure that /etc/fstab/ exists on OS X OS X on my iBook has an /etc/fstab so I would certainly expect the Intel version to have it too. When I looked into it the fstab was all comments though. Every line started with #. ~John ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Intel Mac experiences
Scott Sipe wrote: This is not true--how do you think Bootcamp works? It provides BIOS emulation for booting windows, and whatever else. Secondly, why do people keep saying that OSX and FreeBSD are "basically the same operating system" -- if by basically the same you mean have a unix base, then sure. OSX runs on a hybrid mach microkernel (and with all the performance baggage this comes with). A great deal of the userland utilities originate from NetBSD or even OpenBSD in addition to FreeBSD. There is no ports system (sure, darwinports is similiar, though far less extensive). Boot system is entirely different. There's no way to buildworld or buildkernel, etc. Directory services are done completely differently than in Freebsd (netinfo?). There's not even an /etc/fstab. One could go on... Scott Bootcamp has nothing to do with it. Apple issues a firmware update that will allow for BIOS emulation, all bootcamp does is hold your hand through getting windows on there. When it comes right down to it, the differences between freeBSD and MacOS X (darwin) are very minimal. No, you can't do a buildworld because you can't build the kernel source because the source is closed. But why would you need to? The kernel is already built and optomized for your Mac hardware. As you stated, the kernels are different anyways. No ports system, but when you have a plethora of point-click-install software the need isn't really there.But basic OS functioning is the same, they all (all the BSDs and MacOS) are basically the same at the os level, but not the kernel level. Also, i'm pretty sure that /etc/fstab/ exists on OS X ~John ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Intel Mac experiences
On May 26, 2006, at 1:36 AM, vayu wrote: On May 25, 2006, at 9:13 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: James, you missed the point. If you have an Intel MAC it came with MacOS X (tiger) and that is basically the same operating system as FreeBSD. Meaning, what are you trying to gain? If anything, your worse off with FreeBSD since MacOS X comes with a gorgeous user interface that FreeBSD does not have. Ted I can understand the desire. OS X does have a polished and beautiful desktop environment, but it is not FreeBSD. If money were no object for me, I would want a Macbook Pro with a triple boot of OS X, Win XP and FreeBSD. Back to the original topic: James, I'm curious that you had any results booting with any BSD or Linux. The Intel Macs have no BIOS, I have read of hacks that got Linux (and Windows before Apple offered it) to work, but it didn't seem straight forward based on the accounts I read. This is not true--how do you think Bootcamp works? It provides BIOS emulation for booting windows, and whatever else. Secondly, why do people keep saying that OSX and FreeBSD are "basically the same operating system" -- if by basically the same you mean have a unix base, then sure. OSX runs on a hybrid mach microkernel (and with all the performance baggage this comes with). A great deal of the userland utilities originate from NetBSD or even OpenBSD in addition to FreeBSD. There is no ports system (sure, darwinports is similiar, though far less extensive). Boot system is entirely different. There's no way to buildworld or buildkernel, etc. Directory services are done completely differently than in Freebsd (netinfo?). There's not even an /etc/fstab. One could go on... Scott ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Intel Mac experiences
On May 25, 2006, at 9:13 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: James, you missed the point. If you have an Intel MAC it came with MacOS X (tiger) and that is basically the same operating system as FreeBSD. Meaning, what are you trying to gain? If anything, your worse off with FreeBSD since MacOS X comes with a gorgeous user interface that FreeBSD does not have. Ted I can understand the desire. OS X does have a polished and beautiful desktop environment, but it is not FreeBSD. If money were no object for me, I would want a Macbook Pro with a triple boot of OS X, Win XP and FreeBSD. Back to the original topic: James, I'm curious that you had any results booting with any BSD or Linux. The Intel Macs have no BIOS, I have read of hacks that got Linux (and Windows before Apple offered it) to work, but it didn't seem straight forward based on the accounts I read. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of James Earl Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 12:48 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Intel Mac experiences I'm not joking. This is a FreeBSD mailing list isn't it? On 5/25/06, Ted Mittelstaedt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Please tell me your joking, don't you know that MacOS X is just a commercialized version of FreeBSD? Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Intel Mac experiences
James, you missed the point. If you have an Intel MAC it came with MacOS X (tiger) and that is basically the same operating system as FreeBSD. Meaning, what are you trying to gain? If anything, your worse off with FreeBSD since MacOS X comes with a gorgeous user interface that FreeBSD does not have. Ted >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of James Earl >Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 12:48 PM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt >Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >Subject: Re: Intel Mac experiences > > >I'm not joking. This is a FreeBSD mailing list isn't it? > >On 5/25/06, Ted Mittelstaedt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Please tell me your joking, don't you know that MacOS X is >> just a commercialized version of FreeBSD? >> >> Ted >> >> >-Original Message- >> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of James Earl >> >Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 3:29 PM >> >To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> >Subject: Intel Mac experiences >> > >> > >> >Hi, >> > >> >I'm just curious if there's any developers playing around >with getting >> >FreeBSD installed onto an Intel Mac, and if you could share any >> >experiences or development plans? My 6.1-RELEASE >installation CD gets >> >just past the boot menu and then stops. OpenBSD boots >further but not >> >all the way, and Gentoo Linux LiveCD runs great. >> >___ >> >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> >To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> >"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" >> > >> >-- >> >No virus found in this incoming message. >> >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> >Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.7.0/345 - Release >Date: 5/22/2006 >> > >> >> >___ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to >"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.7.0/345 - Release Date: 5/22/2006 > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Intel Mac experiences
On May 25, 2006, at 1:27 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Please tell me your joking, don't you know that MacOS X is just a commercialized version of FreeBSD? Ted Ted, WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG I have not yet read the rest of the replies but the above is wrong.Different kernel, different drivers. OS X adopted a FreeBSD kernel interface layer to make it work with a FreeBSD based userland but the underpinnings are much different Chad --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad at shire.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Intel Mac experiences
Hi: On Thursday 25 May 2006 15:20, James Earl wrote: > I'm actually just looking for general experiences that FreeBSD > developers have had with Intel based Macs. I tried to make the > subject clear... but I'm sometimes not too great at being clear in > conversation. :) If you tried to boot windows, you'd have the same problem. Mac intel doesn't have bios support, it must be emulated. And no, I don't have one either... ciao... don > > On 5/25/06, Adrian Pavone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > No, I don't. I have never had a need, or even a use, for one. > > > > However, my comment on being more descriptive still stands regardless of > > whether I did or didn't have an Intel Mac. And it would allow whoever > > does actually help you to have something to work with. > > > > At first glance, sounds like a hardware driver issue, but by knowing > > nothing about you or your computer then that you have an intel mac that > > is hanging after boot, then no real help can be offered. > > > > James Earl wrote: > > > Do you have an Intel Mac? > > > > > > On 5/25/06, Adrian Pavone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > James, > > > > > > By an Intel Mac, do you mean an i386? Or still a PPC? > > > > > > If you are referring to an i386, then the i386 install CD should work, > > > and any problems you are having should involve more detail so that we > > > can have a rough idea what is going on (something more then "gets just > > > past the boot menu and then stops." For example, does it freeze with > > > only the boot menu showing, do any other messages appear at the bottom > > > of the screen after the boot menu, does the screen go blank, etc.) > > > > > > Ohh, and as Ted was saying, MacOS X is built on BSD :) > > > > > > James Earl wrote: > > >> I'm not joking. This is a FreeBSD mailing list isn't it? > > >> > > >> On 5/25/06, Ted Mittelstaedt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>> Please tell me your joking, don't you know that MacOS X is > > >>> just a commercialized version of FreeBSD? > > >>> > > >>> Ted > > >>> > > >>> >-Original Message- > > >>> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of James Earl > > >>> >Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 3:29 PM > > >>> >To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > >>> >Subject: Intel Mac experiences > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> >Hi, > > >>> > > > >>> >I'm just curious if there's any developers playing around with > > > > > > getting > > > > > >>> >FreeBSD installed onto an Intel Mac, and if you could share any > > >>> >experiences or development plans? My 6.1-RELEASE installation CD > > > > > > gets > > > > > >>> >just past the boot menu and then stops. OpenBSD boots further but > > > > > > not > > > > > >>> >all the way, and Gentoo Linux LiveCD runs great. > > >>> >___ > > >>> >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > >>> >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > >>> >To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > >>> >"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > >>> > > > >>> >-- > > >>> >No virus found in this incoming message. > > >>> >Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > >>> >Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.7.0/345 - Release Date: > > > > > > 5/22/2006 > > > > > >> ___ > > >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > >> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > > > > > -- > > > This email address has expired. Please contact me for my new address. > > > > > > Please obtain my pgp public key from pgp.mit.edu before sending me any > > > private mail, otherwise your email will likely be filtered incorrectly > > > and possibly junked. > > > > - -- > > This email address has expired. Please contact me for my new address. > > > > Please obtain my pgp public key from pgp.mit.edu before sending me any > > private mail, otherwise your email will likely be filtered incorrectly > > and possibly junked. > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (FreeBSD) > > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > > > iD8DBQFEdg4+0JHtFv5fxW8RAqJwAKCN6vl7oFsaFvXFC7xcNWPYyH+aHQCffcHz > > Uwv9PjErpO0LzXnMio7AXmQ= > > =AlTL > > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" -- Don Hinton tel: 615.480.5667 ISIS, Vanderbilt University skype: donhinton http://people.vanderbilt.edu/~don.hinton/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Intel Mac experiences
I'm actually just looking for general experiences that FreeBSD developers have had with Intel based Macs. I tried to make the subject clear... but I'm sometimes not too great at being clear in conversation. :) On 5/25/06, Adrian Pavone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 No, I don't. I have never had a need, or even a use, for one. However, my comment on being more descriptive still stands regardless of whether I did or didn't have an Intel Mac. And it would allow whoever does actually help you to have something to work with. At first glance, sounds like a hardware driver issue, but by knowing nothing about you or your computer then that you have an intel mac that is hanging after boot, then no real help can be offered. James Earl wrote: > Do you have an Intel Mac? > > On 5/25/06, Adrian Pavone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > James, > > By an Intel Mac, do you mean an i386? Or still a PPC? > > If you are referring to an i386, then the i386 install CD should work, > and any problems you are having should involve more detail so that we > can have a rough idea what is going on (something more then "gets just > past the boot menu and then stops." For example, does it freeze with > only the boot menu showing, do any other messages appear at the bottom > of the screen after the boot menu, does the screen go blank, etc.) > > Ohh, and as Ted was saying, MacOS X is built on BSD :) > > James Earl wrote: >> I'm not joking. This is a FreeBSD mailing list isn't it? > >> On 5/25/06, Ted Mittelstaedt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> Please tell me your joking, don't you know that MacOS X is >>> just a commercialized version of FreeBSD? > >>> Ted > >>> >-Original Message- >>> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of James Earl >>> >Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 3:29 PM >>> >To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>> >Subject: Intel Mac experiences >>> > >>> > >>> >Hi, >>> > >>> >I'm just curious if there's any developers playing around with > getting >>> >FreeBSD installed onto an Intel Mac, and if you could share any >>> >experiences or development plans? My 6.1-RELEASE installation CD > gets >>> >just past the boot menu and then stops. OpenBSD boots further but > not >>> >all the way, and Gentoo Linux LiveCD runs great. >>> >___ >>> >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> >To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> >"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" >>> > >>> >-- >>> >No virus found in this incoming message. >>> >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> >Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.7.0/345 - Release Date: > 5/22/2006 >>> > > > >> ___ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > > > > -- > This email address has expired. Please contact me for my new address. > > Please obtain my pgp public key from pgp.mit.edu before sending me any > private mail, otherwise your email will likely be filtered incorrectly > and possibly junked. >> - -- This email address has expired. Please contact me for my new address. Please obtain my pgp public key from pgp.mit.edu before sending me any private mail, otherwise your email will likely be filtered incorrectly and possibly junked. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEdg4+0JHtFv5fxW8RAqJwAKCN6vl7oFsaFvXFC7xcNWPYyH+aHQCffcHz Uwv9PjErpO0LzXnMio7AXmQ= =AlTL -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Intel Mac experiences
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ahh, There we go, a happy ending. James Earl wrote: > Thanks for your suggestions. I found some more intel mac posts in > freebsd-current. > > On 5/25/06, Adrian Pavone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > James, > > By an Intel Mac, do you mean an i386? Or still a PPC? > > If you are referring to an i386, then the i386 install CD should work, > and any problems you are having should involve more detail so that we > can have a rough idea what is going on (something more then "gets just > past the boot menu and then stops." For example, does it freeze with > only the boot menu showing, do any other messages appear at the bottom > of the screen after the boot menu, does the screen go blank, etc.) > > Ohh, and as Ted was saying, MacOS X is built on BSD :) > > James Earl wrote: >> I'm not joking. This is a FreeBSD mailing list isn't it? > >> On 5/25/06, Ted Mittelstaedt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> Please tell me your joking, don't you know that MacOS X is >>> just a commercialized version of FreeBSD? > >>> Ted > >>> >-Original Message- >>> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of James Earl >>> >Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 3:29 PM >>> >To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>> >Subject: Intel Mac experiences >>> > >>> > >>> >Hi, >>> > >>> >I'm just curious if there's any developers playing around with > getting >>> >FreeBSD installed onto an Intel Mac, and if you could share any >>> >experiences or development plans? My 6.1-RELEASE installation CD > gets >>> >just past the boot menu and then stops. OpenBSD boots further but > not >>> >all the way, and Gentoo Linux LiveCD runs great. >>> >___ >>> >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> >To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> >"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" >>> > >>> >-- >>> >No virus found in this incoming message. >>> >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> >Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.7.0/345 - Release Date: > 5/22/2006 >>> > > > >> ___ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > > > > -- > This email address has expired. Please contact me for my new address. > > Please obtain my pgp public key from pgp.mit.edu before sending me any > private mail, otherwise your email will likely be filtered incorrectly > and possibly junked. >> - -- This email address has expired. Please contact me for my new address. Please obtain my pgp public key from pgp.mit.edu before sending me any private mail, otherwise your email will likely be filtered incorrectly and possibly junked. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEdg5q0JHtFv5fxW8RAiPlAKCVuXO8SxtHI+63aDnBUNIbYnDpZQCeJ7hm w9zsOH5ClGMHA5DoVYOa+Sk= =bGug -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Intel Mac experiences
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 No, I don't. I have never had a need, or even a use, for one. However, my comment on being more descriptive still stands regardless of whether I did or didn't have an Intel Mac. And it would allow whoever does actually help you to have something to work with. At first glance, sounds like a hardware driver issue, but by knowing nothing about you or your computer then that you have an intel mac that is hanging after boot, then no real help can be offered. James Earl wrote: > Do you have an Intel Mac? > > On 5/25/06, Adrian Pavone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > James, > > By an Intel Mac, do you mean an i386? Or still a PPC? > > If you are referring to an i386, then the i386 install CD should work, > and any problems you are having should involve more detail so that we > can have a rough idea what is going on (something more then "gets just > past the boot menu and then stops." For example, does it freeze with > only the boot menu showing, do any other messages appear at the bottom > of the screen after the boot menu, does the screen go blank, etc.) > > Ohh, and as Ted was saying, MacOS X is built on BSD :) > > James Earl wrote: >> I'm not joking. This is a FreeBSD mailing list isn't it? > >> On 5/25/06, Ted Mittelstaedt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> Please tell me your joking, don't you know that MacOS X is >>> just a commercialized version of FreeBSD? > >>> Ted > >>> >-Original Message- >>> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of James Earl >>> >Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 3:29 PM >>> >To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>> >Subject: Intel Mac experiences >>> > >>> > >>> >Hi, >>> > >>> >I'm just curious if there's any developers playing around with > getting >>> >FreeBSD installed onto an Intel Mac, and if you could share any >>> >experiences or development plans? My 6.1-RELEASE installation CD > gets >>> >just past the boot menu and then stops. OpenBSD boots further but > not >>> >all the way, and Gentoo Linux LiveCD runs great. >>> >___ >>> >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> >To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> >"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" >>> > >>> >-- >>> >No virus found in this incoming message. >>> >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> >Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.7.0/345 - Release Date: > 5/22/2006 >>> > > > >> ___ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > > > > -- > This email address has expired. Please contact me for my new address. > > Please obtain my pgp public key from pgp.mit.edu before sending me any > private mail, otherwise your email will likely be filtered incorrectly > and possibly junked. >> - -- This email address has expired. Please contact me for my new address. Please obtain my pgp public key from pgp.mit.edu before sending me any private mail, otherwise your email will likely be filtered incorrectly and possibly junked. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEdg4+0JHtFv5fxW8RAqJwAKCN6vl7oFsaFvXFC7xcNWPYyH+aHQCffcHz Uwv9PjErpO0LzXnMio7AXmQ= =AlTL -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Intel Mac experiences
Thanks for your suggestions. I found some more intel mac posts in freebsd-current. On 5/25/06, Adrian Pavone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James, By an Intel Mac, do you mean an i386? Or still a PPC? If you are referring to an i386, then the i386 install CD should work, and any problems you are having should involve more detail so that we can have a rough idea what is going on (something more then "gets just past the boot menu and then stops." For example, does it freeze with only the boot menu showing, do any other messages appear at the bottom of the screen after the boot menu, does the screen go blank, etc.) Ohh, and as Ted was saying, MacOS X is built on BSD :) James Earl wrote: > I'm not joking. This is a FreeBSD mailing list isn't it? > > On 5/25/06, Ted Mittelstaedt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Please tell me your joking, don't you know that MacOS X is >> just a commercialized version of FreeBSD? >> >> Ted >> >> >-Original Message- >> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of James Earl >> >Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 3:29 PM >> >To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> >Subject: Intel Mac experiences >> > >> > >> >Hi, >> > >> >I'm just curious if there's any developers playing around with getting >> >FreeBSD installed onto an Intel Mac, and if you could share any >> >experiences or development plans? My 6.1-RELEASE installation CD gets >> >just past the boot menu and then stops. OpenBSD boots further but not >> >all the way, and Gentoo Linux LiveCD runs great. >> >___ >> >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> >To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> >"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" >> > >> >-- >> >No virus found in this incoming message. >> >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> >Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.7.0/345 - Release Date: 5/22/2006 >> > >> >> > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > - -- This email address has expired. Please contact me for my new address. Please obtain my pgp public key from pgp.mit.edu before sending me any private mail, otherwise your email will likely be filtered incorrectly and possibly junked. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEdgro0JHtFv5fxW8RAhVSAJ45Jau+NqRA+G600gCUILtZKIeYuQCff76k Sak5gHvrExUpiVO0DLrBCNg= =Yb1q -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Intel Mac experiences
Do you have an Intel Mac? On 5/25/06, Adrian Pavone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James, By an Intel Mac, do you mean an i386? Or still a PPC? If you are referring to an i386, then the i386 install CD should work, and any problems you are having should involve more detail so that we can have a rough idea what is going on (something more then "gets just past the boot menu and then stops." For example, does it freeze with only the boot menu showing, do any other messages appear at the bottom of the screen after the boot menu, does the screen go blank, etc.) Ohh, and as Ted was saying, MacOS X is built on BSD :) James Earl wrote: > I'm not joking. This is a FreeBSD mailing list isn't it? > > On 5/25/06, Ted Mittelstaedt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Please tell me your joking, don't you know that MacOS X is >> just a commercialized version of FreeBSD? >> >> Ted >> >> >-Original Message- >> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of James Earl >> >Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 3:29 PM >> >To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> >Subject: Intel Mac experiences >> > >> > >> >Hi, >> > >> >I'm just curious if there's any developers playing around with getting >> >FreeBSD installed onto an Intel Mac, and if you could share any >> >experiences or development plans? My 6.1-RELEASE installation CD gets >> >just past the boot menu and then stops. OpenBSD boots further but not >> >all the way, and Gentoo Linux LiveCD runs great. >> >___ >> >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> >To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> >"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" >> > >> >-- >> >No virus found in this incoming message. >> >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> >Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.7.0/345 - Release Date: 5/22/2006 >> > >> >> > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > - -- This email address has expired. Please contact me for my new address. Please obtain my pgp public key from pgp.mit.edu before sending me any private mail, otherwise your email will likely be filtered incorrectly and possibly junked. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEdgro0JHtFv5fxW8RAhVSAJ45Jau+NqRA+G600gCUILtZKIeYuQCff76k Sak5gHvrExUpiVO0DLrBCNg= =Yb1q -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Intel Mac experiences
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James, By an Intel Mac, do you mean an i386? Or still a PPC? If you are referring to an i386, then the i386 install CD should work, and any problems you are having should involve more detail so that we can have a rough idea what is going on (something more then "gets just past the boot menu and then stops." For example, does it freeze with only the boot menu showing, do any other messages appear at the bottom of the screen after the boot menu, does the screen go blank, etc.) Ohh, and as Ted was saying, MacOS X is built on BSD :) James Earl wrote: > I'm not joking. This is a FreeBSD mailing list isn't it? > > On 5/25/06, Ted Mittelstaedt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Please tell me your joking, don't you know that MacOS X is >> just a commercialized version of FreeBSD? >> >> Ted >> >> >-Original Message- >> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of James Earl >> >Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 3:29 PM >> >To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> >Subject: Intel Mac experiences >> > >> > >> >Hi, >> > >> >I'm just curious if there's any developers playing around with getting >> >FreeBSD installed onto an Intel Mac, and if you could share any >> >experiences or development plans? My 6.1-RELEASE installation CD gets >> >just past the boot menu and then stops. OpenBSD boots further but not >> >all the way, and Gentoo Linux LiveCD runs great. >> >___ >> >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> >To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> >"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" >> > >> >-- >> >No virus found in this incoming message. >> >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> >Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.7.0/345 - Release Date: 5/22/2006 >> > >> >> > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > - -- This email address has expired. Please contact me for my new address. Please obtain my pgp public key from pgp.mit.edu before sending me any private mail, otherwise your email will likely be filtered incorrectly and possibly junked. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEdgro0JHtFv5fxW8RAhVSAJ45Jau+NqRA+G600gCUILtZKIeYuQCff76k Sak5gHvrExUpiVO0DLrBCNg= =Yb1q -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Intel Mac experiences
I'm not joking. This is a FreeBSD mailing list isn't it? On 5/25/06, Ted Mittelstaedt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Please tell me your joking, don't you know that MacOS X is just a commercialized version of FreeBSD? Ted >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of James Earl >Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 3:29 PM >To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >Subject: Intel Mac experiences > > >Hi, > >I'm just curious if there's any developers playing around with getting >FreeBSD installed onto an Intel Mac, and if you could share any >experiences or development plans? My 6.1-RELEASE installation CD gets >just past the boot menu and then stops. OpenBSD boots further but not >all the way, and Gentoo Linux LiveCD runs great. >___ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to >"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.7.0/345 - Release Date: 5/22/2006 > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Intel Mac experiences
Please tell me your joking, don't you know that MacOS X is just a commercialized version of FreeBSD? Ted >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of James Earl >Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 3:29 PM >To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >Subject: Intel Mac experiences > > >Hi, > >I'm just curious if there's any developers playing around with getting >FreeBSD installed onto an Intel Mac, and if you could share any >experiences or development plans? My 6.1-RELEASE installation CD gets >just past the boot menu and then stops. OpenBSD boots further but not >all the way, and Gentoo Linux LiveCD runs great. >___ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to >"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.7.0/345 - Release Date: 5/22/2006 > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
