Re: send-pr(1) requires local mail daemon, breach of contract forComcast users

2003-03-11 Thread Mike Meyer
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed:
> Just configure sendmail for local submission only (see the docs on rc.conf
> and the new configuratin options for sendmail)  That is NOT in breach of
> your contract since sendmail is NOT running as a daemon at that point.

Actually, it *is* running as a daemon. Specifically, it's running a
queue browser to deliver stalled mail from the queue every 30 minutes
- at least, that's how defaults/rc.conf sets things up.

> If you're worried about false accusations ... running sendmail in local
> submission mode will not expose an SMTP port to the network, nor will
> it look any different when it delivers than any other mail sending program.
> Just make sure to configure smart host to send to your ISPs mail gateway.

Sendmail (used to?) open a port for "local submissions" when run in
submit mode. If his ISP does generic port scans, they may pick that
up. You may be able to disable it in sendmail, and you can certainly
block it with your firewall of choice. The third alternatve is to
install a mail system that doesn't have a local port in submit-only
mode.

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Re: send-pr(1) requires local mail daemon, breach of contract forComcast users

2003-03-11 Thread Bill Moran
Christopher Nehren wrote:
I'm running FreeBSD as the only operating system on my home machine,
using Comcast non-professional as my ISP. My problem is that send-pr is
written to use a local mail daemon to send mail to the GNATS submission
site. Running a mail daemon, however, is strictly and expressly
prohibited by Comcast's Terms of Service. Is there another way of
submitting bug reports that doesn't require me to either breach my
contract with my ISP, or manually copy and paste text for each report
(yes, I've checked the web interface, which is 'currently disabled')?
Just configure sendmail for local submission only (see the docs on rc.conf
and the new configuratin options for sendmail)  That is NOT in breach of
your contract since sendmail is NOT running as a daemon at that point.
If you're worried about false accusations ... running sendmail in local
submission mode will not expose an SMTP port to the network, nor will
it look any different when it delivers than any other mail sending program.
Just make sure to configure smart host to send to your ISPs mail gateway.
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Re: send-pr(1) requires local mail daemon, breach of contract forComcast users

2003-03-11 Thread Kirk Strauser
At 2003-03-11T18:40:02Z, Christopher Nehren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I've sent them an email asking about the smarthost setup -- the ball's in
> their court now.

> Thanks for the help, it's most appreciated.

I will go out on a limb and assert as fact that running an outgoing mail
queue is absolutely, positively not against their TOS.  Note that running
Sendmail in client-only mode and sending out email via that instance of
sendmail is exactly identical to configuring your email client to connect
directly to their servers.  Both are outgoing SMTP connections, end of
story.
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Re: send-pr(1) requires local mail daemon, breach of contract forComcast users

2003-03-11 Thread Miguel Mendez
On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:54:02 -0500
Christopher Nehren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Howdy,

> I'm running FreeBSD as the only operating system on my home machine,
> using Comcast non-professional as my ISP. My problem is that send-pr
> is written to use a local mail daemon to send mail to the GNATS
> submission site. Running a mail daemon, however, is strictly and
> expressly prohibited by Comcast's Terms of Service. Is there another
> way of submitting bug reports that doesn't require me to either breach
> my contract with my ISP, or manually copy and paste text for each
> report(yes, I've checked the web interface, which is 'currently
> disabled')?

Maybe you can configure sendmail to use your ISP's SMTP server as smart
host, would that still be against the contract?

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