Re: 8.x grudges

2010-08-02 Thread Mikhail T.
31.07.2010 01:17, Peter Jeremy написав(ла): kenv(1) (in the base) should as well. Cool! Here it is: smbios.bios.reldate=08/13/2003 smbios.bios.vendor=American Megatrends Inc. smbios.bios.version=3.13 smbios.chassis.maker=Chassis Manufacture smbios.chassis.serial=Chassis

Re: 8.x grudges

2010-07-30 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2010-Jul-29 16:50:24 +0200, Oliver Fromme o...@lurza.secnetix.de wrote: Install ports/sysutils/dmidecode and type (as root): # dmidecode -t system -t baseboard It will tell you the vendor and product name, among other things. kenv(1) (in the base) should as well. -- Peter Jeremy

Re: 8.x grudges

2010-07-29 Thread Oliver Fromme
Mikhail T. mi+t...@aldan.algebra.com wrote: The motherboard version -- I'm not sure still. Something like nVidia nForce2 -- does that identify it enough? Install ports/sysutils/dmidecode and type (as root): # dmidecode -t system -t baseboard It will tell you the vendor and product name,

Re: 8.x grudges

2010-07-28 Thread Mikhail T.
09.07.2010 05:49, Peter Jeremy ???(??): I doubt I'm personally in a position to debug this and don't personally use splash screens. Can you reproduce it using an image that you can re-distribute? Ok, the splash-screen problem went away after I put back the original video-card. The one

Re: 8.x grudges

2010-07-28 Thread Stefan Lambrev
Hi, On Jul 28, 2010, at 11:41 PM, Mikhail T. wrote: 09.07.2010 05:49, Peter Jeremy ???(??): I doubt I'm personally in a position to debug this and don't personally use splash screens. Can you reproduce it using an image that you can re-distribute? Ok, the splash-screen problem went

Re: net-booting the install disks (Re: 8.x grudges)

2010-07-13 Thread Vincent Hoffman
On 12/07/2010 19:22, Marian Hettwer wrote: Hi Adam, Am 12.07.10 19:11, schrieb Adam Vande More: Automated installations have existed on FreeBSD for a long time. You can do this either via netboot or CD based media. Also rolling your own FreeBSD media with custom changes is trivial

Re: net-booting the install disks (Re: 8.x grudges)

2010-07-12 Thread Mikhail T.
08.07.2010 09:53, Jeremy Chadwick написав(ла): Then don't modify loader.conf. Instead, once the Welcome to FreeBSD! portion of loader appears, press 6 to shell to the loader prompt and type: set vfs.root.mountfrom=ufs:/dev/md0 boot Yes, that works... It just should not be necessary. Red

Re: net-booting the install disks (Re: 8.x grudges)

2010-07-12 Thread Mikhail T.
08.07.2010 12:40, Jeremy Chadwick написав(ла): set vfs.root.mountfrom=ufs:/dev/md0 boot Yes, that works... It just should not be necessary. Okay, so let me get this straight. First the complaint was that you had to modify loader.conf, which involved extracting the CD image,

Re: 8.x grudges

2010-07-12 Thread Mikhail T.
08.07.2010 17:06, Peter Jeremy написав(ла): On 2010-Jul-07 14:22:22 -0400, Mikhail T.mi+t...@aldan.algebra.com wrote: In no particular order: 1. A picture, that one of the systems was displaying at boot (and then used as a screen-saver), stopped showing properly. The

Re: 8.x grudges

2010-07-12 Thread Mikhail T.
08.07.2010 17:36, Lucas Holt написав(ла): Most of us work on open source for free in our own time, and it's impossible to test every possible configuration before a release. I tested several particular configurations -- on several machines -- and reported the overlooked issues. I didn't write

Re: net-booting the install disks (Re: 8.x grudges)

2010-07-12 Thread Adam Vande More
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Mikhail T. mi+t...@aldan.algebra.commi%2bt...@aldan.algebra.com wrote: RedHat's kickstart http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.3-Manual/custom-guide/ch-kickstart2.html can do an entire install based on pre-configured rules. Implementing something

Re: net-booting the install disks (Re: 8.x grudges)

2010-07-12 Thread Mikhail T.
12.07.2010 13:11, Adam Vande More wrote: Roll it into your media You lost me right here... Rolling one's own media (for every release and release-candidate) may be Ok for someone in charge of making, at least, several installations per week. For someone like myself, who just wanted to use a

Re: net-booting the install disks (Re: 8.x grudges)

2010-07-12 Thread Marian Hettwer
Hi Adam, Am 12.07.10 19:11, schrieb Adam Vande More: Automated installations have existed on FreeBSD for a long time. You can do this either via netboot or CD based media. Also rolling your own FreeBSD media with custom changes is trivial compared the linux distro's I'm familar with. I

Re: net-booting the install disks (Re: 8.x grudges)

2010-07-12 Thread Marian Hettwer
Am 12.07.10 19:37, schrieb Mikhail T.: 12.07.2010 13:11, Adam Vande More wrote: Roll it into your media You lost me right here... Rolling one's own media (for every release and release-candidate) may be Ok for someone in charge of making, at least, several installations per week. For

Re: net-booting the install disks (Re: 8.x grudges)

2010-07-12 Thread Warren Block
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010, Marian Hettwer wrote: While I fully understand that the iso images purpose is _not_ doing a netinstall, I'd like to have a downloadable image which is easy pxebootable and just drops into a shell. Ideally it does a dhcp request, if successful starts a sshd and if not has

Re: 8.x grudges

2010-07-11 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: aanlktikdj39liaffibdwkfa1vgt4w7m8toxevjykh...@mail.gmail.com Garrett Cooper yanef...@gmail.com writes: : On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Mikhail T. mi+t...@aldan.algebra.com wrote: : 07.07.2010 14:59, Jeremy Chadwick ???(??): : :      FREEBSD_COMPAT7 kernel option

Re: net-booting the install disks (Re: 8.x grudges)

2010-07-09 Thread Daniel Braniss
On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 11:08:04AM -0400, Mikhail T. wrote: 08.07.2010 09:53, Jeremy Chadwick написаÐ=²(ла): Then don't modify loader.conf. Instead, once the Welcome to FreeBSD!= portion of loader appears, press 6 to shell to the loader prompt and type: set

Re: 8.x grudges

2010-07-09 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2010-Jul-08 18:10:48 -0400, Mikhail T. mi+t...@aldan.algebra.com wrote: 08.07.2010 17:06, Peter Jeremy написав(ла): On 2010-Jul-07 14:22:22 -0400, Mikhail T.mi+t...@aldan.algebra.com wrote1. A picture, that one of the systems was displaying at boot (and then used as a

Re: 8.x grudges

2010-07-08 Thread Marian Hettwer
Am 07.07.10 22:52, schrieb Mikhail T.: 07.07.2010 16:34, Randi Harper ???(??): Attached is the kernel config-file (i386), that worked fine under 7.x. The kernel-compile will break (some *freebsd7* structs undefined), without the COMPAT_FREEBSD7 option. Try it for yourself... Don't

net-booting the install disks (Re: 8.x grudges)

2010-07-08 Thread Mikhail T.
07.07.2010 14:30, Randi Harper написав(ла): 8. I tried to do an install on one of the systems via netbooting (pxeload) the disk1-image. It booted, but the sysinstall had to be started manually and, once started, did not act the same as when booted off of CD-ROM.

Re: net-booting the install disks (Re: 8.x grudges)

2010-07-08 Thread Mikhail T.
07.07.2010 16:00, Randi Harper написав(ла): So you're complaining that you have to modify the loader.conf? I fail to see the problem. This is by design, and isn't a lack of progress. Yes, I complain, that I have to modify a loader.conf embedded in a CD-image. If extracting hundreds of

Re: 8.x grudges

2010-07-08 Thread Mikhail T.
07.07.2010 16:50, Marcel Moolenaar написав(ла): Not to mention that if you change uart(4) to create dev entries like sio(4) after uart(4) has been in the tree for more than 6 years creating ttyu* entries, you actually introduce a gratuitous change. If sio and uart could co-exist, then you'd

Re: 8.x grudges

2010-07-08 Thread Paul Mather
On Jul 7, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote: On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Mikhail T. mi+t...@aldan.algebra.com wrote: 07.07.2010 14:59, Jeremy Chadwick ???(??): FREEBSD_COMPAT7 kernel option is, apparently, a requirement (and thus not an option) -- the kernel-config

Re: 8.x grudges

2010-07-08 Thread jhell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/08/2010 06:54, for whatever Marian Hettwer wrote: With any major upgrade or release process comes a commitment from the developers and end-users alike that involves a review, testing release. The release part on the end-users

Re: net-booting the install disks (Re: 8.x grudges)

2010-07-08 Thread Ian Smith
On Wed, 7 Jul 2010, Mikhail T. wrote: 07.07.2010 16:00, Randi Harper ???(??): So you're complaining that you have to modify the loader.conf? I fail to see the problem. This is by design, and isn't a lack of progress. Yes, I complain, that I have to modify a loader.conf

Re: net-booting the install disks (Re: 8.x grudges)

2010-07-08 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 04:29:14PM -0400, Mikhail T. wrote: 07.07.2010 16:00, Randi Harper написав(ла): So you're complaining that you have to modify the loader.conf? I fail to see the problem. This is by design, and isn't a lack of progress. Yes, I complain, that I have to modify a

Re: 8.x grudges

2010-07-08 Thread Marian Hettwer
Hi jhell, ehm... Am 08.07.10 14:46, wrote jhell: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/08/2010 06:54, for whatever Marian Hettwer wrote: I certainly not wrote the text below. That's what, I guess, you wrote. Your MUA is defect. And honestly, I don't know why that's a reply to

Re: net-booting the install disks (Re: 8.x grudges)

2010-07-08 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 11:08:04AM -0400, Mikhail T. wrote: 08.07.2010 09:53, Jeremy Chadwick написав(ла): Then don't modify loader.conf. Instead, once the Welcome to FreeBSD! portion of loader appears, press 6 to shell to the loader prompt and type: set vfs.root.mountfrom=ufs:/dev/md0

Re: 8.x grudges

2010-07-08 Thread jhell
On 07/08/2010 10:08, Marian Hettwer wrote: Hi jhell, ehm... Am 08.07.10 14:46, wrote jhell: On 07/08/2010 06:54, for whatever Marian Hettwer wrote: I certainly not wrote the text below. That's what, I guess, you wrote. Your MUA is defect. And honestly, I don't know why that's a reply

Re: 8.x grudges

2010-07-08 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2010-Jul-07 14:22:22 -0400, Mikhail T. mi+t...@aldan.algebra.com wrote: In no particular order: 1. A picture, that one of the systems was displaying at boot (and then used as a screen-saver), stopped showing properly. The colors are right, but the picture is distorted

Re: 8.x grudges

2010-07-08 Thread Lucas Holt
On 07/08/10 17:06, Peter Jeremy wrote: On 2010-Jul-07 14:22:22 -0400, Mikhail T.mi+t...@aldan.algebra.com wrote: In no particular order: 1. A picture, that one of the systems was displaying at boot (and then used as a screen-saver), stopped showing properly. The

Re: 8.x grudges

2010-07-08 Thread Freddie Cash
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Lucas Holt l...@foolishgames.com wrote: On 07/08/10 17:06, Peter Jeremy wrote: On 2010-Jul-07 14:22:22 -0400, Mikhail T.mi+t...@aldan.algebra.com  wrote: In no particular order:   1.      A picture, that one of the systems was displaying at boot (and      

Re: 8.x grudges

2010-07-08 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 02:46:16PM -0700, Freddie Cash wrote: On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Lucas Holt l...@foolishgames.com wrote: On 07/08/10 17:06, Peter Jeremy wrote: On 2010-Jul-07 14:22:22 -0400, Mikhail T.mi+t...@aldan.algebra.com  wrote: In no particular order:   1.  

Re: 8.x grudges

2010-07-08 Thread Kevin Oberman
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2010 17:36:17 -0400 From: Lucas Holt l...@foolishgames.com Sender: owner-freebsd-sta...@freebsd.org On 07/08/10 17:06, Peter Jeremy wrote: On 2010-Jul-07 14:22:22 -0400, Mikhail T.mi+t...@aldan.algebra.com wrote: In no particular order: 1. A

Re: 8.x grudges

2010-07-08 Thread Doug Barton
On Thu, 8 Jul 2010, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: With regards to leftover man pages in /usr/share/man/manX, I believe mergemaster now handles clean-up of those, and probably catX too. Never has, never will. :) What I actually advocate is 'rm -r /usr/share/man' before doing installworld. Been

Re: 8.x grudges

2010-07-07 Thread Randi Harper
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Mikhail T. mi+t...@aldan.algebra.com wrote:  8.     I tried to do an install on one of the systems via netbooting     (pxeload) the disk1-image. It booted, but the sysinstall had to be     started manually and, once started, did not act the same as when    

Re: 8.x grudges

2010-07-07 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 14:22:22 -0400 Mikhail T. mi+t...@aldan.algebra.com wrote: 9. The k8temp utility (installed by sysutils/k8temp http://www.freshports.org/sysutils/k8temp), which worked fine on both of my AMD-machines, no longer works on the Athlon one (still

Re: 8.x grudges

2010-07-07 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 02:22:22PM -0400, Mikhail T. wrote: I'm upgrading several systems these days to the 8.1 (pre-release) and have hit the following troubles... I could file a formal PR for each, I suppose, but, maybe, this way will get the right people's attention sooner. 2.

Re: 8.x grudges

2010-07-07 Thread Kevin Oberman
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 14:22:22 -0400 From: Mikhail T. mi+t...@aldan.algebra.com Sender: owner-freebsd-sta...@freebsd.org I'm upgrading several systems these days to the 8.1 (pre-release) and have hit the following troubles... I could file a formal PR for each, I suppose, but, maybe,

Re: net-booting the install disks (Re: 8.x grudges)

2010-07-07 Thread Randi Harper
2010/7/7 Mikhail T. mi+t...@aldan.algebra.com: 07.07.2010 14:30, Randi Harper написав(ла):  8.     I tried to do an install on one of the systems via netbooting     (pxeload) the disk1-image. It booted, but the sysinstall had to be     started manually and, once started, did not act the same

Re: 8.x grudges

2010-07-07 Thread Mikhail T.
07.07.2010 14:59, Jeremy Chadwick ???(??): FREEBSD_COMPAT7 kernel option is, apparently, a requirement (and thus not an option) -- the kernel-config files, that worked with 7.x, break without this option in them (in addition to all the nuisance, that's documented in

Re: 8.x grudges

2010-07-07 Thread Randi Harper
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Mikhail T. mi+t...@aldan.algebra.com wrote: 07.07.2010 14:59, Jeremy Chadwick ???(??):      FREEBSD_COMPAT7 kernel option is, apparently, a requirement (and      thus not an option) -- the kernel-config files, that worked with      7.x, break without this

Re: 8.x grudges

2010-07-07 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
On Jul 7, 2010, at 1:34 PM, Randi Harper wrote: Well, pardon the political pun, but I don't believe in change for the sake of change. These particular changes are gratuitous. If sio is no longer available -- and replaced by uart, why change the /dev-entries?.. These changes aren't

Re: 8.x grudges

2010-07-07 Thread Mikhail T.
07.07.2010 16:34, Randi Harper ???(??): Attached is the kernel config-file (i386), that worked fine under 7.x. The kernel-compile will break (some *freebsd7* structs undefined), without the COMPAT_FREEBSD7 option. Try it for yourself... Don't use a kernel config from 7. We've

Re: 8.x grudges

2010-07-07 Thread Freddie Cash
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Mikhail T. mi+t...@aldan.algebra.com wrote: 07.07.2010 14:59, Jeremy Chadwick ???(??):      FREEBSD_COMPAT7 kernel option is, apparently, a requirement (and      thus not an option) -- the kernel-config files, that worked with      7.x, break without this

Re: 8.x grudges

2010-07-07 Thread Freddie Cash
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mikhail T. mi+t...@aldan.algebra.com wrote: I know nothing about the driver. But a utility I regularly used stopped working after upgrade, so I added that to my list of upgrade-related grudges. Was this before or after re-compiling all your installed ports,

Re: 8.x grudges

2010-07-07 Thread Garrett Cooper
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Mikhail T. mi+t...@aldan.algebra.com wrote: 07.07.2010 14:59, Jeremy Chadwick ???(??):      FREEBSD_COMPAT7 kernel option is, apparently, a requirement (and      thus not an option) -- the kernel-config files, that worked with      7.x, break without this

Re: 8.x grudges

2010-07-07 Thread Garrett Cooper
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mikhail T. mi+t...@aldan.algebra.com wrote: 07.07.2010 16:34, Randi Harper ???(??): Attached is the kernel config-file (i386), that worked fine under 7.x. The kernel-compile will break (some *freebsd7* structs undefined), without the COMPAT_FREEBSD7

Re: 8.x grudges

2010-07-07 Thread Sean Bruno
5. One of the upgraded systems would repeatedly hang at boot, until I disabled the on-board firewire-device through the BIOS... It was not a problem under 7.x, although I don't know, whether the device actually worked. This is a commonly-reported problem,

Re: 8.x grudges

2010-07-07 Thread Sean Bruno
5. One of the upgraded systems would repeatedly hang at boot, until I disabled the on-board firewire-device through the BIOS... It was not a problem under 7.x, although I don't know, whether the device actually worked. This is a commonly-reported problem,

Re: 8.x grudges

2010-07-07 Thread Randi Harper
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mikhail T. mi+t...@aldan.algebra.com wrote: Your telling me this is just as valid as warning me against using computer-cases of a particular color. It is a silly requirement. My expecting things, that worked for 7, to work in 8 is reasonable. There may be

Re: 8.x grudges

2010-07-07 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 12:34:55 -0700 Kevin Oberman ober...@es.net wrote: k8temp is for older AMD system running K8 cores. It has been mostly replaced with amdtemp which works on newer cores. I'm not sure if amdtemp will work on K8 cores, though. It does (amdtemp works on K8s): r...@kg-quiet#

Re: 8.x grudges

2010-07-07 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 00:20:56 +0200 Torfinn Ingolfsen torfinn.ingolf...@broadpark.no wrote: On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 12:34:55 -0700 Kevin Oberman ober...@es.net wrote: k8temp is for older AMD system running K8 cores. It has been mostly replaced with amdtemp which works on newer cores. I'm not

Re: 8.x grudges

2010-07-07 Thread Steven Hartland
For what its worth, we have had good success migrating our kernel configs from 6 - 7 - 8 with very few changes, and no real problems. The secret is to create a kernel that is based of GENERIC using include in a clean the include that config in top level one which adds the specific additional

Re: 8.x grudges

2010-07-07 Thread Ken Smith
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 7/7/10 4:17 PM, Mikhail T. wrote: 07.07.2010 14:59, Jeremy Chadwick написав(ла): FREEBSD_COMPAT7 kernel option is, apparently, a requirement (and thus not an option) -- the kernel-config files, that worked with 7.x, break without