Re: [Freedos-devel] Package Survey

Hi Mark, First, thanks for doing the survey! > On Dec 1, 2020, at 10:15 PM, Mark Olesen wrote: > >  > I got about half way and then let the rest be defaults. No problem. The defaults are the current state. I figure that if there was a package you felt strongly about handling different then

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Old Timer reporting :-)

On Tue, 1 Dec 2020, Ralf Quint wrote: I used to be able to speak and understand a little bit of Japanese, as learned while doing various martial arts, but this is now 40 years ago. And of course, the kind of Japanese used in martial arts which you would have been familiar with, the kind of Ja

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Old Timer reporting :-)

On 12/1/2020 7:33 PM, Steve Nickolas wrote: On Tue, 1 Dec 2020, Ralf Quint wrote: Yup, that one. But there is no proper, easy to install version of the ANSI style compiler and inclusion of things like the peephole optimizer. And there is no manual to cover the ANSI version, the last printed v

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Old Timer reporting :-)

On Tue, 1 Dec 2020, Ralf Quint wrote: Yup, that one. But there is no proper, easy to install version of the ANSI style compiler and inclusion of things like the peephole optimizer. And there is no manual to cover the ANSI version, the last printed version only covers the 2.x K&R compiler. I ha

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Old Timer reporting :-)

I got my PS/2 up with wifi on DOS (although I don't currently do so) using one of these: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PMCJ17Y (It's an Ethernet/Wifi bridge. Will need some setup using a modern Web browser first.) -uso. ___ Freedos-devel m

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Old Timer reporting :-)

On Tue, 1 Dec 2020, Eric Auer wrote: Tom is neither, but you could argue that he could use more modern, more advanced editors for DOS, with higher text mode resolutions. Win9x's edit.com will run under unusual and unorthodox screen resolutions, and edits up to 9 files at a time. When MS-DOS

Re: [Freedos-devel] Package Survey

I got about half way and then let the rest be defaults. I like how you separated it into categories. It would be wizard to have a button on each col that selects/deselects everything in that category. I did not realize how big FreeDOS can be. It looks like some categories would need to be split i

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Old Timer reporting :-)

On 12/1/2020 8:10 AM, Robert Riebisch wrote: Hi Ralf, OpenWatcom at least requires a 386 and additional RAM, I don't think it is running on a 640KB 808x machine anymore. But there is for years an Open Source 16bit C compiler, though a bit of a quirky one, which got pretty much forgotten since T

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Old Timer reporting :-)

On 12/1/2020 7:52 AM, Steve Nickolas wrote: I dunno, C and Pascal are almost identical in how they're structured. Sorry, but not even remotely. Pascal is in contrast to C - not case sensitive - strongly typed - standard string type(s) - range checks on by default - strong error checking

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Old Timer reporting :-)

I am working on these esp01/8266 with at commands from dos you can connect to a wifi in dos and other retro machines. This should be a viable option for freedos. https://www.instructables.com/Getting-Started-With-the-ESP8266-ESP-01/

[Freedos-devel] Package Survey

Hello Everyone, Recently, there has been a lot of discussion regarding packages. What packages are installed for FreeDOS BASE and FULL? What packages should be made readily available when booting the LiveCD? What limited set of packages should be provided by the Floppy Only Distro? So, I put tog

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Old Timer reporting :-)

wireless, I don't even go there, it's an iwi that need proprietary Intel firmware - no sale. No, the machine is a geriatric Compaq Nx8220 and the NIC in question is a Broadcom Ethernet card. BCM5751M. On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 00:09, Eric Auer wrote: > > Hi! > > > laptop is 15 years old, and even t

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Old Timer reporting :-)

Hi! > laptop is 15 years old, and even that has hardware that is 'too new' You mean wireless? > I think you're asking two implicit questions here: a) Should we abandon > 16 bit hardware as nobody has any, which would mean FreeDOS goes 32bit. No. Things which work well with 640k can AND should

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Old Timer reporting :-)

Hi Eric, Well, your argument is compelling, but I think it sort of misses the point. FreeDOS is a system for legacy hardware - I mean - really legacy. My oldest laptop is 15 years old, and even that has hardware that is 'too new' and not supported by FreeDOS. I'm currently trying to nail a Packet

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Old Timer reporting :-)

Danilo, > First of all, if the idea of an 80x25 single file editor frightens you, > you're either a wimp or too young to have done any programming when that > was the norm. May I introduce you to Turbo Pascal 3.0? 80x25 text is the > best there is. Tom is neither, but you could argue that he co

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Old Timer reporting :-)

Tom, Sorry, but I think you're too snippy here. First of all, if the idea of an 80x25 single file editor frightens you, you're either a wimp or too young to have done any programming when that was the norm. May I introduce you to Turbo Pascal 3.0? 80x25 text is the best there is. As for not find

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Old Timer reporting :-)

P.S.: I have done a LOT of programming for FreeDOS. this includes Kernel, command, lba boot sector, himem, emm386, mkeyb, kitten, fdisk, and probably more. not a single edit or compile were done on DOS. just the idea of a single file, 25*80 editor frightens me. Tom ___

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Old Timer reporting :-)

Hi Ralf, I simply don't get your point. > OpenWatcom at least requires a 386 and additional RAM, I don't think it > is running on a 640KB 808x machine anymore. and you would probably be hard pressed to find a x86 machine that has not a Pentium installed. what's the point? a recompiled TurboPasc

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Old Timer reporting :-)

Hi Ralf, > OpenWatcom at least requires a 386 and additional RAM, I don't think it > is running on a 640KB 808x machine anymore. But there is for years an > Open Source 16bit C compiler, though a bit of a quirky one, which got > pretty much forgotten since Turbo C came out in the mid '80s. I st

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Old Timer reporting :-)

On Tue, 1 Dec 2020, Danilo Pecher wrote: I would agree with Ralf on most points. As for the 16 bit C-Compiler, I think Turbo-C fits that bill but acquiring it legally requires a registration with embarcadero, so not exactly optimal and not everyone is an old hack like me, who started coding in

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Old Timer reporting :-)

On 12/1/2020 4:55 AM, Danilo Pecher wrote: I would agree with Ralf on most points. As for the 16 bit C-Compiler, I think Turbo-C fits that bill but acquiring it legally requires a registration with embarcadero, so not exactly optimal and not everyone is an old hack like me, who started coding

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Old Timer reporting :-)

I would agree with Ralf on most points. As for the 16 bit C-Compiler, I think Turbo-C fits that bill but acquiring it legally requires a registration with embarcadero, so not exactly optimal and not everyone is an old hack like me, who started coding in 1989 and still legally owns nearly every Bor

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Old Timer reporting :-)

On Mon, 30 Nov 2020, Ralf Quint wrote: In general, it would be nice to see some people really programming FOR DOS again, creating useful Open Source DOS application that people can actually use. Not just trying to recompile some behemoth Linux took that isn't really suited for DOS, and that to