Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS Interim Build T2310 - no free space on CD

2023-10-03 Thread Kirn Gill II via Freedos-devel
How much are the GUIs? You've almost got this down to just one disc. Can we just stop shipping overly complicated file managers that include desk utilities? Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device Get Outlook for Android From: Jim Hall via

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS Interim Build T2310 - no free space on CD

2023-10-03 Thread Jerome Shidel via Freedos-devel
Hi, > On Oct 3, 2023, at 9:20 PM, Danilo Pecher via Freedos-devel > wrote: > > I think the developer tools should go to the bonus CD. As was > mentioned, most FreeDOS users will probably use it to run legacy apps > and games. People who still have the knowledge to do some > honest-to-god

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS Interim Build T2310 - no free space on CD

2023-10-03 Thread Danilo Pecher via Freedos-devel
I think the developer tools should go to the bonus CD. As was mentioned, most FreeDOS users will probably use it to run legacy apps and games. People who still have the knowledge to do some honest-to-god proper DOS programming will probably be quite able to switch the CD and install the stuff from

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS Interim Build T2310 - no free space on CD

2023-10-03 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-devel
I did a quick comparison of the packages on the FreeDOS 1.3 distribution (both Live and Bonus) and the FreeDOS T2310 distribution (Live and Bonus). And the differences in packages (added and dropped) were as expected, so that's good. :-) Then I added up the package size on T2310, both Live and

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS Interim Build T2310 - no free space on CD

2023-10-03 Thread Paul Dufresne via Freedos-devel
--- Le mar., 03 oct. 2023 14:30:08 -0400 Michael Brutman via Freedos-devel have written > There is no point in punishing everybody by shipping tools that most people > don't use.  You can probably count all of the active DOS developers on your > fingers and toes. > > All of the

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS Interim Build T2310 - no free space on CD

2023-10-03 Thread Michael Brutman via Freedos-devel
There is no point in punishing everybody by shipping tools that most people don't use. You can probably count all of the active DOS developers on your fingers and toes. All of the various tools and compilers remain available for download. Not being on the CD image is not the barrier it used to

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS Interim Build T2310 - no free space on CD

2023-10-03 Thread Kirn Gill II (segin) via Freedos-devel
I staunchly disagree. The single most foolish decision OS vendors have made over the past 40 years was to push away all of the included development tools. Pare down the programming tools, sure. But some minimal set needs to remain permanently. Maybe an assembler (nasm?) and Small C Compiler,

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS Interim Build T2310 - no free space on CD

2023-10-03 Thread Wilhelm Spiegl via Freedos-devel
Hi Jim, hi Jerome, hi everyone else,   About the theme "the installation CD has no longer free space":   It would be interesting to find out which clientele downloads the FreeDOS CD the most. I could imagine that games are particularly interesting for newbies, whereas programming tools are