I staunchly disagree. The single most foolish decision OS vendors have made over the past 40 years was to push away all of the included development tools.
Pare down the programming tools, sure. But some minimal set needs to remain permanently. Maybe an assembler (nasm?) and Small C Compiler, with the repos filling out the rest. A BASIC interpreter is probably also a good inclusion. I vote "minimal programming utilities" because stripping them all out is foolish. There needs to be an on-ramp of some sorts for the uninitiated. Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> ________________________________ From: Wilhelm Spiegl via Freedos-devel <freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2023 6:04:29 AM To: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net <freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> Cc: Wilhelm Spiegl <wilhelm.spi...@mail.com> Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS Interim Build T2310 - no free space on CD Hi Jim, hi Jerome, hi everyone else, About the theme "the installation CD has no longer free space": It would be interesting to find out which clientele downloads the FreeDOS CD the most. I could imagine that games are particularly interesting for newbies, whereas programming tools are needed less. As the professionals know what to do to get them - and I think programming should not be done on a trial version - they should have less problems to install their needed programs and they could be moved out of CD and installed via fdnpkg. So, how about integrating fdnpkg into fdimples? This would mean that ALL FreeDOS programs available in Gitlab (or wherever) should be listed in fdimples (possibly via a special menu item) and can be downloaded and installed by fdimples via fdnpkg or wget or similar if desired. I don't know how much programming effort that requires, but it would be much easier for newbies to install programs, games, etc. which are not on the CD, make it easier because their function is briefly explained in fdimples. So similar to what many Linux distributions already do (additional installation via GUI or apt-get install). Cheers Willi We've had off-and-on conversations on this list about what packages really need to be in the distribution and which do not. But I think this needs its own thread so we can better track the discussion. I'll take another look at the packages and sizes, based on T2310, and start a new thread to make some suggestions. Jim _______________________________________________ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
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