> FreeCom allows this command: "COPY CON"
confirm
> After that I can write text which echoes after enter in next line and
> it can't be interrupted nor with CTRL-Z
worx for me ... can be interrupted with CTL-Z
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> Nevermind... figured it out. The IDE set the default language to QB
> compatibility. Duh.
Duh! Didn't know that FreeBASIC would have a DOS IDE, even less
one defaulting to "lang QB".
BTW, FreeBASIC 1.01.0 is out, it still mostly works, and supports DOS.
> I don't see yet how your 'simple shel
AFAIK known problem. Not only HPA, but also SMART is inaccessible through USB.
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> > b) this list is intended to discuss FreeDOS developer related issues. I
> > don't
> > see how Java, Javascript, Os/2, ... fit into this categorie
> OS/2 runs DOS programs, same as DOSEMU. Don't act so innocent, you
maybe it indeed runs, it's just pointless ;-)
PS: this used to be about "Re:
> I personally don't care what size the exes are
So do many others. Result: Wing-ZIP 100 MiB ... Abobe-ACRO 100 MiB ...
"Hello world" 30 Byte's to 10 MiB (depends from compiler) ...
Linux 1 to 20 GiB (depends from distro)
> anyone noticed HXDOS?
YES. Noticed 10 years ago, development stopped 5 y
FYI: http://freebasic.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=22361
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> The right architecture might be
> something like Windows does
It's absurdly messy and bloated, but YES, they got the multitasking (mostly) ...
> All the apps call for and use system resources
> through calls to a common API not the firmware or BIOS
Exactly. Just the API could be 100 times smal
> Now the second point is if I remember the "stuff" correctly the
> problem with DOS task switching is having the CPU start again in the
> right place when a session was switched back into the DOS space
The primary problem with multitasking is that you must care about clean
rock-solid sharing of A
> http://mymfe.microsoft.com/Windows%207/Feedback.aspx?formID=195
> You must have scripting enabled to submit your feedback.
> Learn how to enable scripting on your computer.
Good :-)
> this is the windows 7 feedback form.
> you can ask microsoft to bring back command.com
> and 16-bit dos suppor
> Google won't give m the file, because it
> says my version of safari is unsupported.
> This is getting rediculous.
This is CRAP. Anyone tested YTCRACK recently?
omploader.org
ompldr.org
(can't kick your files anymore, not always working)
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> Maybe a step by step instruction of how to program a GUI
0. Learn to set graphic mode
1. Learn to draw (lines, rectangles, rat arrow, text)
2. Learn to move the rat arrow (in a circle for example)
3. Learn to peek the mouse and use it to hunt the arrow around
4. Learn to define structures descri
> Hi all. I can be add the comment highlighting for the lines starts at
> #, ', //, /* end at */, and so from { to }. It's a good?
Comments are language-specific. So either allow to select language
(+ possible auto-detect by file extension or content), or to manually
set comment syntax.
Check out
> I wonder if with freedos, there is a tool or other for run a program compiled
> with PDS7.1(QuickBasic)16Bit in 32bit ? just to have access
> to 4GB of memory...
Use FreeBASIC + HDPMI32 :-)
(Quack-Basic CANNOT brew 32-bit binaries ... you might find some XMS
library at best)
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> chkdsk fully supports long file names. It even has checks
> to ensure the long file names are correct
And it has the support built-in, no need (?) to load DOSLFN.
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> wengier's super ms-dog 7.10 boot disk"(ette)
super-piracy :-(
> it's an example of a complete working solution.
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I don't need this ;-)
PS: I use BOCHS
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> by the way, if I had a cd-bootable OS/2 kind of OS, that would be really
> cool!!!
Why ? Get Windows 8 ;-)
> it is possible you might need to come up with 2 or 3 editions, one that runs
> on 8088
IIRC OSama/2 never ran on 8086 or 8088 ;-)
> I agree, and I wrote about similar ideas a while back in consideration of
> what we might want in 2.0
> http://sourceforge.net/userapps/wordpress/jhall1/2009/04/
I like the ideas of USB driver and a __GOOD__ GUI (no Linux).
Anyway, this thread degenerated ... stared with DOS drivers and ended
http://www.freedos.org/software/?cat=base
The list pretends many things (HIMEMX, FREECOM, DISKCOPY, ...)
to have been updated recently 2011, but this is not true.
Also the directory timestamps at ibibio are bad / misleading, but
surprisingly not for DISKCOPY. IIRC I had already complained
about t
> Get real Bubba
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> Nonsense. DOS is "officially" dead before that, so it if far more
> relevant than you try to make it look...
There are even virii inside :-)
I want to determine the size of a file. How to search for
this topic in the huge RBIL ?
I want to do file I/O from a TSR. What does RBIL tell me
> I could see multithreading support in 7-zip.
> but then again files aren't usually very big in DOS.
Except movies :-)
> I don't know if OpenWATCOM or DJGPP has support for POSIX threads.
DGJPP has some hacks for threads on 1 CPU ??
> There are multitasking DOSes (DR-DOS, RDOS, TSX-32 ??, etc.
> You'd likely __start__ with RBIL (Ralph Brown's Interrupt List) and
I would NOT do this ... it's obsolete (last update IIRC 1998) and
it's very hard to find the "still useful" stuff inside (but there is some).
> languages like Assembly (NASM, TASM, WAS
FASM
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> People still use scanners? I thought they used their
> photocamera, then even the BIOS often/__rarely__ supports your
> SD cardreader in DOS without any drivers...
Any scanners can save to memory cards or USB sticks? Then bad drivers
could f*** o** ;-)
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> And for device drivers is DOSEMU better for that purpose?
I doubt that. Rather BOCHS, if it emulates the device you are
interested in ("PCI bridge" in BOCHS is a dream so far) ...
debugging drivers is always hard :-(
> No idea. I know Japheth added some config.sys version
> to the DEBUG 1.25 pr
Welcome :-)
Kernel AFAIK compiles with OW 1.9 + NASM (what versions ???).
Tools are OW or BC or NASM or JAWASM.
(BTW: is this documented somewhere ... easy to find and up-to-date ? Wiki ?)
For new code you can use any compiler, though:
http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0503736/php/drdoswiki/index
> Why should we have to tell DOS users that only a certain and
> small subset of all virtual environments can do FreeDOS?
Alternatively, tell them to install it on a PC ;-)
> Using as many different emulators/virtualisers as possible among
> developers/testers might show issues earlier
Would Fre
Interesting ... but lacks details. AFAIK DOS has no
good multitasking design so you can't do reliably file
I/O (even more writes) from a TSR.
- file not closed after update ?
- file updated using lower level sector access ?
- updating of the file fails while your FTP server is runnig (check
after
BTW, I had IIRC seen a GUI FreeDOS installer back in 2005 ? 2004
in 0.9 ? 0.8 distros. NO, I don't recommend those distros ...
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> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/kernel/history.txt
COOL :-)
Eric wrote:
> Thank you, that is more search engine friendly than having to browse
> the www CVS/SVN page on sourceforge. However, you still need to use
> a search engine to find the history.txt, maybe we c
> I did a test of this CD too. First I would suggest to make an El-Torito hard
> disk instead of using ISOLinux. DOS I feel should boot directly and not by
> booting a version of Linux first.
+ 1
Definitely. I'd prefer to see no Linux and no ReactOR is
FreeDOS distros. BTW, the ReactOR on the Fre
> > When I select "Use FreeDOS as LiveCD system.." and have a Flash disk
> > inserted, the El-Torito Bootable CD-Rom driver results in the error:
> > "JemmEX: exception 0D occured".
> That is the good old general protection fault (GPF)
:-D
> that you also know from Windows.
VMM32.VXD brewed a GP
Test of "1.1test3" CD :
http://jafile.com/uploads/dos386/fd11t3.png
Issues:
[-3.] many messages running over the screen but too fast to read
[-2.] not prominently documented what's going to be installed (for
example "FreeDOS distro 1.1test3 2011-07-10 with kernel 2
> Will be removed then.
WDE is cool, but version 0.30 please :-)
> Internet-based installation of FD1.1 possible through
> packet driver, DHCP program and HTGET/FTP (not WGET, size
> constraints). VMware-specific so
I hope it will work on real PC too :-)
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> As for UPX terms, I could try LZMA and Ultra Brute settings indeed, but
> wonder what effect (decompression possible at all? loading times? memory
> uses? does resulting binary work?) they have on ancient machines.
2011-07-11 Michael B. Brutman wrote:
> I tested UPX on one of the slowest machi
OK, obsolete WDE is on the CD in FREEDOS\3RDPARTY ...
The CD has a "strange" and obsolete kernel:
- NOT UPX'ed
- 2040 from May-25
The floppy DOES have kernel 2040 ... but I really would kick anything
except 2040 and maybe 2038 and maybe 2036 (as from 1.0 distro).
No need for 2039 or even 20
BTW, what's the goal of EDLIN ??? Never used it ...
But please keep DEBUG, I'm using it (but not as ASS'embler, maybe add
FASM also ?)
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> Who gives a shit? It's included in MS-DOS 6.22, it'll be included in
> FreeDOS. It's not hurting you is it? You don't suffer from erectile
> disfunction because you
?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erectile_dysfunction <- because you can't
wr
ixed, it should be a very very easy patch
The problem is, that I have more issues to fix, preferably at same time.
> > They are still in ... what archive listing do you see ???
> > http://jafile.com/uploads/dos386/fbmd5.zip
> Okay, it's there now, but I promise (!) it wasn&
> HEH ??? It has DOS and Win32 binaries too ...
> No it doesn't, not the one you linked to above. I double-checked.
They are still in ... what archive listing do you see ???
http://jafile.com/uploads/dos386/fbmd5.zip
NEWS:
* new FBC 0.22 is out (untested)
* new HX 2.17pre 2011 is out
Kernel mirrored here: http://jafile.com/uploads/dos386/kernel.sys
Silly stuff: http://jafile.com/uploads/dos386/freedos7.png
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> was not. I uploaded a new binary now
Result: http://jafile.com/uploads/dos386/fdkernsh.png
NOT fixed:
* minor "can't-save-after-FSINFO-invali
???).
> > Guess EDIT 0.9 should be added, hope it can open files with 64K+ file size
> No, and that's a "minor" problem, also with Freemacs: 64k file size
> limit. But at least you can have __multiple__ __64k__ __files__.
COOOL :-) So please add INFOPAD (
Anyone having the super editing power needed can please update this one:
http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/freedos/index.php?title=Unstable_Kernel_Branch
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JAWASM (free & OS, not GPL)
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DOS32A
D3X http://jafile.com/uploads/dos386/d3x.zip
WDOSX http://jafile.com/uploads/dos386
> I was duly informed by the djgpp forum that even though you add cwsdstub.exe
> to your executable stub after EXE2COFFing it, you still need to include
> cwsdpmi.exe (the DPMI server) for it to properly execute everywhere.
Strange. Where did you find this "information" ?
With CWSD-stub, WDOSX-st
Hi
> www.freedos.org/freedos/links/ does not link to
> DJGPP either, so __we__ really __have__ a documentation
> __problem__ with DPMI on freedos.org, unfortunately.
More problems:
DGJPP "ZIP PACKER": http://www.delorie.com/djgpp/zip-picker.html
pressures me to get Windaube 2000/XP :-(
E
> it's a whole distribution package, not just a piece of something
> and it doesn't run my programs
2 GiB and it does nothing useful ???
> because it has no DPMI
[code]
INC CR0 ; Enter protected mode (needs 80386 or above)
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> XP - no dice to my knowledge. no 7303h support, only 36h support
see above / 5 days ago:
> > alas, I tried my disk free space program, and I got nonsense results from
> > windows xp...
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa364937(VS.85).aspx (!!! WtF !!!)
> winmerge is a windows progra
> I just did.
What ?
> http://JesusnJim.com/code/dos/fdos/fdoem-emulator.7z
2 GiB of bloat ???
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> alas, I tried my disk free space program, and I got nonsense results from
> windows xp...
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa364937(VS.85).aspx (!!! WtF !!!)
> am going to have to have somebody else test it who has a proper OS
Install it yourself ;-)
> my spare box has linux on it. I
> RBIL is pretty much it (right?
> http://www.delorie.com/djgpp/doc/rbinter/id/40/32.htm
NO, see above.
> I am hoping to implement some sort of fallback mechanism into the program
> so that if int 21h, 7303h fails, I have int 21h, 36h to fall back on
> but I need to know exactly how to detect fai
> I think to recall that on DOS versions that support function 7303h you
> can usually obtain
> information about FAT12 and FAT16 file systems using this function too
IIRC worked for me on a FAT12 floppy ;-)
> on DOS versions which do not support the FAT32 calls, this function
> returns [BUG]CF
> In some countries, at least France, it is illegal to force people
> to buy 2 things when they only want one.
COOL :-)
So you can acheter a PC without Windaube en France?
Is it cheaper (preferably by plus que 1 Euro) than a PC with Windaube?
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> > for the DOS folk, this is maybe a wake-up call to start implementing
> > additional partitioning schemes? (by the way, the last version of fdisk I
> > used
> > is broken, it started creating empty partitions)
> Which version is this?
Painful but works for me in very limited tests (version
> Thanks, but real developers use a magnet
> To manipulate raw bits on their disks
Magnetic disks are obsolete. What now ???
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> I'm thinking it would be a good idea to standardize on one C/C++ compiler for
> the
> project. I'm looking at the Open Watcom compiler and would like your opinion
OK, see below ...
> I'd like to see gcc for all 32- and 64-bit development
What's the design goal ???
> > it really needs to
> >
> has asked for feedback FOR HIS DOS TOOLS ONLY,
> and you should respect this.
Right, but then they should be easier to find ;-)
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> http://jesusnjim.com/polls/continue-dos-development.html
> polls should be working now
Looks slightly better but the "argument" is still false - the ability
to develop for DOS depends from whether you HAVE DOS (instead or at
least besides Windaube), not whether the Windaube is 32-bit or 64-bit
o
> am wondering if I should continue doing DOS development
> http://jesusnjim.com/polls/continue-dos-development.html
> poll - continue DOS development?
> Parse error: syntax error, unexpected
> T_CONSTANT_ENCAPSED_STRING in
> /home/jesusnji/public_html/polls/continue-dos-development/poll.php on lin
> Are any of my applications being incorporated into FreeDOS?
Where ? I can't find them ...
> my software is at http://jesusnjim.com in the Software section
OK ...
> Compress/Archive: WinZip
> $30-50 pay-for zip program. easy integration, easy to use. good to have.
> when I bought 6.1, it was l
> Hi, I am a hobby programmer and I am interested in submitting small
> utilites that I have written for DOS to the FreeDOS project
What is it ? What language ?
YES this is the correct place to boast :-)
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Good :-)
> Note: disk size is measured in MB, GB, or TB
I use KiB, MiB, GiB, TiB, PiB, EiB only ;-)
> I want XP
Better place for such issues: http://www.msfn.org/board/forum/34-windows-xp/
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> what about the exFAT filesystem?
Already on my CRAP LIST ;-)
> - it is 64-bit (63-bit?) in any case, the filesystem handles huge amounts of
> data.
maybe true
> - it is supported by windows vista SP1 and 7 (but not by xp prior to SP2)
maybe true
> - it doesn't have the shortsighted 32GB l
> I have a problem. the only OS microsoft offers now is windows 7.
Private problem of Macro$oft :-D
Use DBAN to delete it and install FreeDOS then ;-)
> machines from HP only have drivers for windows 7
Many devices are sufficiently generic (USB, IDE/SATA, ICH/HDA sound,
Graph usually has some V
> Where are all the updated files?
No clue myself ... http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/
> But it is the latest available for download!
True ...
> I thought that maybe I could help to demonstrate
> what DOS can do. At the moment, the system as installed from the
> "full" C
See mail archive few lines below or sf.net/projects/freedos
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> No version message, no free-memory display, no "Welcome, thanks for
> trying FreeDOS!" message, nothing. Blank screen, C prompt. That is
> about as friendly as a kick in the nuts.
Agree, there is space for improvements.
> When I ran GEM, there were no links to any of this 150MB of programs.
Ba
> (Odd, in my day, DOS apps generally didn't have dependencies!)
Examples ??? AFAIK the only one is CWSDPMI (blame DGJPP, not FreeDOS ...)
> [1] I suggest removing the different memory configs as they will confuse
> novices
Agree, tuning EMS/UBM and legacy crap depending on such should be depre
> Electronic products like laptops, gps,TV LCD,cell phones,ps3,MP3/4
Also MP5 ? FYI, I deprecate MP3/4 :-D
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> Just wanted to ask if this was the right place to report or discuss
Welcome :-)
> comments, suggestions, bug reports &c in FreeDOS 1.0? I've just
The 1.0 distro is obsolete.
many things got fixed: HIMEM/EMM, DEVLOAD, ...
some partially: kernel (2038), EDIT (yeah), FDISK (patch pending),
DEFR
> haven't been able to reproduce the data corruption bug you
someone else
> reported, and could not find any
> file start cluster 32->16bit truncation in the source code :(
> If there exists a batch file that could reproduce it (which includes
> formatting the hard disk partition, putting files o
funny ...
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Create empty file of cca 16 MiB (exact multiple of 512*63 Byte's !!!),
go into BOCHS (host OS = DOS) with FreeDOS floppy + this file as HD,
create MBR area + primary partition ("FDISK"), brew fs ("FORMAT"),
copy and install FreeDOS ("SYS"), copy other files, done !!!
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> http://pastebin.com/m30e0a3e
DEAD. They seem to have much ABUSE recently :-(
> My environment is Windows XP sp3. Standard User account.
> Building on a fat32 filesystem
I wonder whether FreeDOS can compile on itself at all ...
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> davemueller created the Patch for PDISKIO.C artifact
> posted by davemueller 4 days ago
http://sf.net/support/tracker.php?aid=2940061
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> and besides that, cygwin generates windows (win32) code. it will not run on
> DOS.
NOT necessarily true. Even worse, GCC core itself
(Linux-GCC/DGJPP/MinGW/CygWin) does not generate win32 code, it
generates just 32-bit code ;-)
You can't use GCC to compile FreeDOS kernel because GCC supports
> Or just testing some components.
Check the crosslink BUG in kernel 2039 ;-)
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> For those wanting to produce LZMA-encoded archives there is now version 907
For me it had been working since 4.20 cca all the time ;-)
> apparently it is as simple as 7z a ..\something.lzma
You just need a DOS port (got one ???) or HX DOS Extender;-)
BTW, we got disk image support:
http://www
> What is everyone else using to develop/debug their DOS apps here?
FASM IDE (compiler hard merged in, cca 100 KiB total bloat), INFOPAD
(some bugs, doesn't like HDPMI32), FreeDOS EDIT (some bugs, 64 KiB
limit), Kinesics (needs HX, not feature rich).
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Almost 1 year elapsed since 1.8 release, there were some complaints by
Japheth about "JWASM doesn't compile with 1.8 anymore" in the past,
but latest releases report to compile fine with both 1.7a and 1.8,
although nothing has been fixed in WATC
> > > but then virtual-86 mode is set and I can no loger use 32bit real-mode
> > > pointers!
> > IF you need PM from V86 there is VCPI.
> Protected mode isn't the same as flat real mode.
NO, but there is no absolute need to use flat [un]real mode.
> flat-real mode, VCPI and DPMI work and how the
> I'm building a driver (for DOS)
:-) For what hardware ??
> means that the driver will have to do different things to get to the tables
> depending
> on whether HIMEM, or EMM386, or both, or none of them are currently there.
NO. Just use XMS, it is still available even if EMM386 is additionall
91 Bytes instead of IUP: "IUP-BUG" is no longer owned by IUP:
http://board.flatassembler.net/topic.php?t=10301 :-)
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> > and leaves both (!!!) files present in the directory and empty ...
> Which both do you mean? It deletes the original,
> so only the temp file still exists?
YES, but the following rename call apparently recreates the original name,
but without deleting the temp name, and both are now empty :-(
Hi
> If you set VERSION to something different than 5.xx
so "5" is the default ?
> in config sys then FreeDOS will behave in the more common DOS 3/4/6/7 style
Is this documented somewhere ??? Still, FreeDOS IMHO should default
harder to FDCONFIG, FREECOM etc. ;-)
> Please explain.
What didn't
> You're saying development of free DOS software is not on
> topic in the "FreeDOS devel" list?
Sorry, not __MY__ list, by I personally prefer this tiny piece of NASM
code from the bloated WtF/WfW 100% compatibility crap :-)
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**
UI21DEB 2009-05-02 CFG: sel=<> hcb=$0400 ver=$3205 dcm=$02FB fif=$
APP: ree=0 psp=$0528 nam= N/A
* AX=$4800 | C=0 AX=$16A4
* AX=$7147 [
I wrote:
> Oops, the "IUP-BUG" needs retest.
DONE !!!
Tom wrote ( http://www.drdosprojects.de/forum/drp_forum/posts/6667.html ) :
> IUP bug reproduced here. will try to fix this
Lack of time or forgotten ... :-(
> If reproducable, I'll try to fix those, too (if time allows)
At least 2 are fi
> - int 2f.4a00 callback for DJ mechanism GUI now supported
WOW ... it's new ;-) but I have a safer method anyway.
> see what else needs attention?
- The CTMOUSE tracker, see above
- http://sf.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2475007&group_id=5109&atid=105109
2475007 "Debug generates unoptimized co
It took very long time but FreeDOS got 2 bugs "Closed: FIXED" now:
sf.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2380828&group_id=5109&atid=105109
"[kernel] GetDiskFreeSpaceEx bug if no slash"
sf.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2362450&group_id=5109&atid=105109
"#1953 21/29 returns 0 (valid) for all drive root"
Nice :-) Although "memory subsystem source code" is not yet a fully
working kernel.
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see forum :-(
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