On 3/29/07, Mark Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Alain:
I am very interested and in fact I have done just this a couple of
times. The FreeDOS installer installs a LOT more than
I need to run my DOS programs. It also doesn't allow control
of the destination partition. I would use a
Hi, partially agreed... Yet I think we can and should
keep several good compilers in the distro. The confusing
points of the distro are more that you have to dig through
long lists of packets and stuff. It would be nice to have
an option like install everything which works without
network
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Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] Come visit EDR-DOS sites!
Hi, partially agreed... Yet I think we can and should
keep several good compilers in the distro. The confusing
points of the distro are more that you have to dig through
long lists of packets
Hi Ladislav,
Is practicaly possible to compile on demand?
I mean that on the instalation CD would be all source codes for key parts
of FreeDOS and C compiler and all necesary things for compiling.
No, that could be a waste of space and time. The sources are often
bigger than the compiled
On 3/31/07, Eric Auer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Jim,
They hadn't paid attentions to the messages telling them they were
about to format their hard drive, or they didn't realize what format
meant, or they sort of assumed FreeDOS would somehow be smart enough
_not_ to wipe their Windows
It's an interesting idea, but I consider it impractical. Better to
install FreeDOS using default binaries, and let experts tweak the
binaries on their own afterwards. It would be very scary for a new
DOS user to watch a compile of their operating system.
On 4/1/07, Ladislav Lacina [EMAIL
This is basically the concept of a Core and Extras set of
packages, ala Fedora Linux.
Although when I wrote the FreeDOS installer, I had the idea that some
packages would be required, and some would be optional, even within
disk sets. That's why each disk set was flagged yes/no/ask and each
Just a side note, it is not even possible, as there are some programs
which are compiled with non-free compilers. Just two examples come to
my mind (EMM386 with MASM, keyb with TP for the non-resident part).
Aitor
2007/4/1, Jim Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
It's an interesting idea, but I consider it
Aitor Santamaría schreef:
Just a side note, it is not even possible, as there are some programs
which are compiled with non-free compilers. Just two examples come to
my mind (EMM386 with MASM, keyb with TP for the non-resident part).
Michael Devore's nomyso perl-script for EMM386 does
* working FreeCOM on CD in user's selected language.
and 4DOS should be a choicemaybe the standard.
People have done a great job on the FreeDOS 1.0 CD distribution yet it's
complex and sometimes hangs for people.
Maybe some tools can be removed from the distro f.e. only include
ONE
PS:
And... one thing, which could also be posted at FreeDOS's
homepage...with other words than I, think about it:
With DJGPP it is (very? ;-) easy to port MANY libraries to DOS... look
at DJGPP's ftp-directories...there are many possiblities :-)
Hasta luego!
Flo
--
Private Page, oZone GUI
...
Again from the homepage:
If you are new to DOS, we recommend you use an emulator to install
and boot FreeDOS. Most user KNOW that they can use an emulator now...
I would remove this sentense, because it isn't good, to tell new
users, that they SHOULD use another host-operating-system.
I don't agree that there should be a single compiler, but if there's
to be one, then we must have a 16-bit compiler, that leaves DJGPP out
(so that's a good reason not to choose just one).
AItor
2007/3/31, Florian Xaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
PS:
And... one thing, which could also be posted at
Hi Jim,
They hadn't paid attentions to the messages telling them they were
about to format their hard drive, or they didn't realize what format
meant, or they sort of assumed FreeDOS would somehow be smart enough
_not_ to wipe their Windows partition. They wanted to know what I was
going
Santamaría [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] Come visit EDR-DOS sites!
I don't agree that there should be a single compiler, but if there's
to be one, then we must have a 16-bit compiler, that leaves DJGPP out
Hello Jim,
Only if you are using DR-DOS for a non-commercial purpose (i.e. at
home to play games and replace MS-DOS) does DR-DOS cost you nothing
(but only for purposes of evaluating whether/not to buy it - ala
shareware)
if you are *using* it to play (legacy) games, hear music, whatever,
you
Hello Tom,
if you are *using* it to play (legacy) games, hear music, whatever,
you are *using*, not *evaluating* it; so you have to pay $$,
otherwise you are violating license terms
That's possibly a bit a too restrictive view, since you cannot evaluate
without using. The license therefore
Yes, and you need to _use_ it to _evaluate_ it. I think I included
all that in my original note, below, but maybe it wasn't very clear.
On 3/30/07, tom ehlert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello Jim,
Only if you are using DR-DOS for a non-commercial purpose (i.e. at
home to play games and
I'd like to get a copy of this too. I'd like to mirror it for you at ibiblio.
Let me know (off-list) how to get a copy of the image, and I'll put it
on ibiblio.
On 3/29/07, Alain M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ok, do you wnat me to send you an image?
The only problem is that it is not up to
It seems that FreeDOS project is in another crisis now. There is nobody who
develops kernel (compatibility with MS-DOS is still not perfect), we still lack
some disk utilities for FAT32 and so on.
There is too small number of active FreeDOS developers. But there is also group
around another DOS
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, Ladislav Lacina wrote:
It seems that FreeDOS project is in another crisis now. There is nobody who
develops kernel (compatibility with MS-DOS is still not perfect), we still
lack some disk utilities for FAT32 and so on.
There is too small number of active FreeDOS
Hi!
Some words from me (sent to Jim, but don'T know if he get/read it):
Please remove from freedos.org:
To run old DOS games (like DOOM, etc.)
To run old business software that only supports DOS
The word old is very bad! Why should be somebody interested in
FreeDOS, if it is only for old
Well I do develop 2036, but nobody said there was a MS DOS compat issue.
I found compatibility issue with MGL demos from Scitech:
ftp://ftp.scitechsoft.com/devel/demos/dos
(there are 2D accelerated demo programs for DOS)
It works without problems under MS-DOS 7.10 but not under FreeDOS.
Japheth
Yes, I got this email from you, but it's been crazy busy where I work,
so I haven't had time for long replies to anyone. And your email
seemed like it would be a long reply.
Anyway, to comment on what you mention below:
On 3/29/07, Florian Xaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi!
Some words from
Hello,
That is a very interesting suggestion. Japheth writes that DOS
should hook int 19 and remove its own handlers if int 19 is
triggered. Int 19 is what a FDAPM HOTBOOT would call, too.
We can definitely tell FreeDOS to do as MS DOS 7 does (remove
interrupt handlers, STACKS, and move
tom ehlert wrote:
and a non-free xxDOS kernel is completely useless to me (and many
others) anyway.
Why? Just because it is not free (which seems to be an unreasonable reason
:) ) or are there other reasons?
-
Take
Ladislav Lacina escreveu:
Why? I still use FreeDOS and I don't plan to switch to DRDOS. (DRDOS is
incompatible with my boot manager)
DR-DOS has a bug about partitions. It will work if DR-DOS is placeded in
a partition both first phisicaly and primary
Alain
I agree that old is ugly.
I use FreeDOS for new and big programs, with databases of a few Giga
bytes on superfast Pentium-4 and AMDs
And I plan to use for many years more... Which other system allows to
intall a full system from bare metal in half an hour by phone, with an
*unskilled*
FreeDOS also quite slow copies files (read speed daemon related
posts on EDR-DOS lists)
Kernel related or related to the COPY or XCOPY commands only?
Which side of the process is slow, reading or writing?
I believe that this is a veeery old (many years) problem and it has been
fixed, but
Japheth escreveu:
Why? Just because it is not free (which seems to be an unreasonable
reason
:) ) or are there other reasons?
We use it in the real world, with real users. Not only for personal
curiosity. Either 1) it is free or 2) we buy it.
The free one is good for all we need.
No
Jim suggested classic, another word (perhaps more precise) that
comes to my mind is legacy, but I'm not saying I like it better, I
just post the idea.
Aitor
2007/3/29, Alain M. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I agree that old is ugly.
I use FreeDOS for new and big programs, with databases of a few Giga
support and even something called FAT32+
- Original Message -
From: Alain M. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] Come visit EDR-DOS sites!
Japheth escreveu:
Why? Just because it is not free (which
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, Jim Hall wrote:
This has always been my vision: Post 1.0, I'd also like to see more
utilities to make it possible to replicate some of the advanced
features we take for granted in modern operating systems, such as
Linux. I want to revive GNUish and replicate a modern
I wrote about usability of DOS quite long article for one czech e-zin. I
don't have the energy to translate it into english so I'll write only few
points:
There are three groups of DOS users:
1) people with old hardware - they don't have another option than using DOS
system. Such PC's are very
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, Aitor Santamar?a wrote:
Jim suggested classic, another word (perhaps more precise) that
comes to my mind is legacy, but I'm not saying I like it better, I
just post the idea.
How about classic, legacy and also new ?
I don't see any reason DOS should be limited to being a
I am not specifically against OpenDOS or DR-DOS (use whatever DOS you
like) but I prefer my DOS to be more open and free than that. The
OpenDOS license is look, but do not touch. For example, in the
OpenDOS license agreement, in part 4 (relating to source code) it
says:
Caldera grants you a
Hi Ladislav,
These demos work perfectly under MS-DOS. I can't test it under EDR-DOS
In FreeDOS I get the message Graphics driver wasn't loaded.
Well it worked for me, see the detailled explanations below.
ftp://ftp.scitechsoft.com/devel/demos/dos
I got the mglgears thing, which shows
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, Alain M. wrote:
In fact I made my own distro. It's a single floppy, single language and
install exactly where MS-DOS did: in C:\DOS
Some time ago, I tried to talk about that kind of distro, but every one
wanted a big, too-full, graphic, and I don't know what... so I made
Hi Alain:
I am very interested and in fact I have done just this a couple of
times. The FreeDOS installer installs a LOT more than
I need to run my DOS programs. It also doesn't allow control
of the destination partition. I would use a current,
single-floppy FreeDOS distribution.
Maybe we need
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