Re: [Freedos-devel] Q: watcom

2004-02-02 Thread Steve Nickolas
At Tue, 3 Feb 2004 7:46am +0300, Arkady V.Belousov wrote: Hi! - what the difference between * and *386 (for example, WCC and WCC386)? The 386 version builds 32-bit code. - how to compile .COM files? With command line wlink form dos com file attrib.obj wlink gives some errors

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS ODIN 0.6

2004-02-08 Thread Steve Nickolas
At Sun, 8 Feb 2004 3:51pm +0800, maintainer freedospg wrote: Hi Steve, FreeDOS ODIN 0.6 works fine in my machine, all programs no problem, thanks for your effort. I even have FDXMS (not included) worked as well. I found that COMMAND.COM version is 0.82pl2 not 0.82pl3. Would it be

Re: [Freedos-devel] PG 1.08 no binary inside ZIP archive!!

2004-02-13 Thread Steve Nickolas
At Sat, 14 Feb 2004 9:25am +0800, maintainer freedospg wrote: --- Johnson Lam [EMAIL PROTECTED] ªº¶l¥ó¤º®e¡G Hi BAHCL, I found inside the ZIP archive is source code and manual but without binary, please check. Yes, no binary files, clean, space saving, no virus, no non-GPL coding,

Re: [Freedos-devel] PG 1.08 no binary inside ZIP archive!!

2004-02-13 Thread Steve Nickolas
At Sat, 14 Feb 2004 1:48pm +0800, Johnson Lam wrote: On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 13:51:22 -0600, you wrote: Hi Jim, It's because of the distribution licensing problem? I misunderstand that binary was located elsewhere ... But I have no compiler in my PC, how can I compile the binary? Rgds,

Re: [Freedos-devel] compiling Freedos

2004-02-15 Thread Steve Nickolas
At Sun, 15 Feb 2004 11:31am -0500, Adam Peart wrote: I'm not sure if this has been answered before, but is it beter to compile the kernel freecom under borland c or djgpp? Borland. DJGPP can't do 16-bit. -uso. --- SF.Net is sponsored

Re: [Freedos-devel] Microsoft source code

2004-02-17 Thread Steve Nickolas
At Tue, 17 Feb 2004 3:13pm +0200, Luchezar Georgiev wrote: On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 15:32:27 -0600, Jim Hall wrote: We've actually addressed this issue before. Some years ago, the source code to MS-DOS was leaked. For a while, I would get about an email a week from people (who probably

Re: [Freedos-devel] Re:Eric's idea to put PG binaries online

2004-02-17 Thread Steve Nickolas
At Mon, 16 Feb 2004 4:08pm -0200, Alain wrote: HI, I have a BIG question: What is PG? I just searched the site, followed every link and could not find any explanation, it only says how it can solve many PC problems, not even specifying which... If so many people in FreeDOS are

Re: [Freedos-devel] Don't you think its better to use Msdos file names?

2004-02-20 Thread Steve Nickolas
At Fri, 20 Feb 2004 3:19pm -0500, togermano.com wrote: Don't you think its better to use Msdos file names? So like a program can edit it. And its easyer for people that know msdos file names instead of like fddos for a directory etc.. Opinions vary but I do agree. -uso.

Re: [Freedos-devel] re: Make a program slimmer // make ClamAV clamscan at all?

2004-02-26 Thread Steve Nickolas
At Fri, 27 Feb 2004 3:04am +0100, Eric Auer wrote: PS: I went on trying to compile ClamAV.net in DOS / DJGPP. This AUTOCONF stuff is a big pain in the a**! I had to install megabytes of Linux tools (sed, textutils, fileutils) in DJGPP. Luckily they have them precompiled on delorie.com ... but

Re: [Freedos-devel] re: file to diskette

2004-02-26 Thread Steve Nickolas
At Thu, 26 Feb 2004 7:30pm -0300, Alain wrote: Hi, This brings a very important question: If I create an image with FreeDOS's disckcopy, can I write it back with rawrite? Are they compatible? Yes. Both use raw images; diskcopy uses int25/int26-style disk access and rawrite uses

Re: [Freedos-devel] file to diskette

2004-02-26 Thread Steve Nickolas
At Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:37pm +0300, Arkady V.Belousov wrote: Hi! How to copy diskette image from file to diskette? By which utility? rawrite? URL? A raw DOS image can be copied with FreeDOS diskcopy, as well. :) -uso. --- SF.Net is

Re: [Freedos-devel] copy . c: fails. Kernel or Freecom?

2004-06-08 Thread Steve Nickolas
At Tue, 8 Jun 2004 7:19pm +0200, Erwin Veermans wrote: A well known alternative for '*.*' is to use '.' with 'copy', like: 'copy . c:' This works fine with MsDOS and DrDOS (OpenDOS) but fails on FreeDOS with every kernel (2026b - 2035) and freecom (0.82pl1 - 0.82pl3k) I tried (clean boot, no

Re: [Freedos-devel] BEEP

2004-07-30 Thread Steve Nickolas
At Fri, 30 Jul 2004 4:07pm +0200, tom ehlert wrote: Hello Bart, Don't forget that FreeCOM is also supposed to be able to run over a serial line via CTTY. In that case the beep should happen on the terminal and not on the PC where FreeCOM actually runs. So I vote for

Re: [Freedos-devel] Dumping C000-EFFF

2004-12-02 Thread Steve Nickolas
Arkady V.Belousov wrote: Don't forget about DMCA, which prohibits these rules (there not sayed, that you may break protection for research purpose of backup; this is why there was so many fuss around Adobe lwasuit against Sklyarov and similar tryings to prevent publication of research

Re: [Freedos-devel] Re: Recommended C Compiler

2004-12-28 Thread Steve Nickolas
Bernd Blaauw wrote: It's good to hear from you again, Eric. ReactOS (www.reactos.com) is an opensource implementation of WindowsNT and higher, deeply in development. Maybe DigitalMars works on this operating system. ReactOS can dualboot with FreeDOS on the same FAT partition. In fact, they use

Re: [Freedos-devel] ASCII to unicode table

2010-11-27 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Sat, 27 Nov 2010, Eric Auer wrote: You could even have a separately loaded CON driver that keeps a full unicode font in XMS (with some caching of recently used sections in faster memory maybe?). That would be something like what DOS/V does. It switches to VGA 640x480 mode and emulates

Re: [Freedos-devel] ASCII to unicode table

2010-11-30 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Wed, 1 Dec 2010, Eric Auer wrote: Compatible apps would be apps which only display ASCII out of themselves and which make no serious assumptions about one byte being equal to one character. A good example are MORE and TYPE: If you TYPE an UTF8 text with a special CON driver which expects

Re: [Freedos-devel] watcom tcp

2011-07-05 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Tue, 5 Jul 2011, Jim Michaels wrote: how on earth shall I expect to build a bootable ISO image with mkisofs? Put a boot floppy image in the folder and use mkisofs -b filename.144 -o filename.iso path/ -- All of

Re: [Freedos-devel] watcom tcp

2011-07-07 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Thu, 7 Jul 2011, Bernd Blaauw wrote: I'm happy with whatever I can get. My real hardware has an Nvidia chipset network driver for which no packet drivers exist, so sticking to virtual machines. I wonder if any PCI (or even PCI-express or onboard) network cards still support packet drivers.

Re: [Freedos-devel] confused by NLS-settings

2011-07-10 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Sun, 10 Jul 2011, Bernd Blaauw wrote: I can't recall *any* other EDIT version reporting its version unless by /? or perhaps when starting an empty file. Which is the exact behavior of the QBASIC editor used in MS-DOS 5 and 6 (and PC DOS 5.x). Personally, I'd dispense with that - as MS

Re: [Freedos-devel] Updated INSTALL program

2011-07-12 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Tue, 12 Jul 2011, Bernd Blaauw wrote: I was more thinking of running INSTALL for each disk. Pity we lack an INKEY option like 4DOS has. It's a mixture between CHOICE (single key except special keys) and SET /P (input requires pressing ENTER to confirm). I thought PAUSE...? CST, EST and

Re: [Freedos-devel] Testing evaluating the 1.1 release

2011-07-15 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011, Bernd Blaauw wrote: See above, minimising things. WATTCP programs are usually compiled as DJGPP programs, having kind of huge disk footprint compared to your drivers for example. The Watt32 libs are pretty big. The regular WatTCP is a lot smaller and 16-bit Internet

Re: [Freedos-devel] Updates to software list

2011-07-17 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011, Rugxulo wrote: Hi, On 7/17/11, Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de wrote: Comp: You are right, FC replaces it. Well, yes, I know all (most?) DOSes have both, but FC can do ASCII (default) or binary (/b), so I don't ever use COMP. In DOS 2-4, PC DOS had COMP (which it had

Re: [Freedos-devel] suggestion - add fdshell to freedos 1.1

2011-07-17 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011, Rugxulo wrote: Hi, On 7/17/11, Jim Hall jh...@freedos.org wrote: I don't know that I've used this DOSSHELL before. I just tried it now, and once I got used to the key commands, it seemed easy to use, and very nice. It looks okay, but it's fairly minimal. I'd heavily

Re: [Freedos-devel] Where to find xHarbour?

2011-07-23 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Sat, 23 Jul 2011, Rugxulo wrote: Hmmm? Where'd you hear that? Dumping stuff that isn't 64-bit? Personally I have my own theories and wouldn't be too surprised, but I'm not sure that's the truth. We'll probably see a 32-bit version of Win8, but by 9 they'll probably dump it (blind guess).

Re: [Freedos-devel] Where to find xHarbour?

2011-07-23 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Sat, 23 Jul 2011, Ralf A. Quint wrote: If the development of FreeDOS keeps sticking to it's original goal of providing a complete, free, 100% MS-DOS compatible operating system (http://www.freedos.org/freedos/about/), then the focus should be on exactly that. Quoted for truth. And then

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-26 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Tue, 26 Jul 2011, Joe Cosentino wrote: Who gives a shit? It's included in MS-DOS 6.22, it'll be included in FreeDOS. It's not hurting you is it? You don't suffer from erectile disfunction because you dir and see exe2bin listed there do you? NO! Jebus Christ, can't you find something

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-26 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Tue, 26 Jul 2011, Ralf A. Quint wrote: Seeing that there is so little respect for the old tools that made out DOS, I am not sure if I should pick up one of my projects I had started a few years back, a GW-BASIC clone, looks like there won't be much interest for this at least in here. Or

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-26 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Wed, 27 Jul 2011, Rugxulo wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 6:36 PM, Steve Nickolas lyricalnan...@usotsuki.hoshinet.org wrote: Some versions of MS-DOS even included LIB (I have some specimens of 2.x and 3.x that do).  DEC's releases for the Rainbow even had MASM (!). Now

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-27 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Wed, 27 Jul 2011, Rugxulo wrote: At 10:32 PM 7/26/2011, Steve Nickolas wrote: Can't remember (prolly 2.0).  It was on the MS-DOS 2.01 master. I am fairly certain that whatever DEC Rainbow version of MS-DOS 2.01 you have that this is the same disk/image that I have in my archive. And I am

Re: [Freedos-devel] EXE2BIN

2011-07-29 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Fri, 29 Jul 2011, Eric Auer wrote: Hi! BTW, what's the goal of EDLIN ??? Never used it ... It is there for nostalgic reasons and aims to be the DOS text editor which is translated into most languages ;-) But actually even the author of MS EDLIN barely used it, so we can be happy to

Re: [Freedos-devel] BWBASIC 2.50 .EXE for FreeDOS (was: Re: EXE2BIN)

2011-08-03 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Wed, 3 Aug 2011, Rugxulo wrote: BTW, Steve, didn't you write your own BASIC somewhere? It was (is?) on SourceForge, but I never tried it. I started to. zD and I couldn't figure out how we were going to handle variables, so it didn't get off the ground. Wouldn't have been very

Re: [Freedos-devel] BWBASIC 2.50 .EXE for FreeDOS (was: Re: EXE2BIN)

2011-08-04 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Thu, 4 Aug 2011, Rugxulo wrote: Did even QBASIC support MBF? I haven't used it but barely recently, but I seem to remember that even it lacked some (minor?) compatibility to GW-BASIC. Not internally. There were separate CVSMBF/CVDMBF and MKSMBF$/MKDMBF$ to do the conversions, and a

[Freedos-devel] [SPAM] Re: BWBASIC 2.50 .EXE for FreeDOS (was: Re: EXE2BIN)

2011-08-04 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Thu, 4 Aug 2011, Rugxulo wrote: I'm not sure I agree. There's just too much crappy C code out there. Worse is that most people force POSIX and fragile / confusing AutoTools on everything. And when code assumes certain-sized ints, GCC, etc. etc., you'd almost be better writing your own from

Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos 1.1. :Floppy distro

2011-08-08 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Mon, 8 Aug 2011, Eric Auer wrote: PS: ISO date/time seems to be popular, I see in another thread (2011-08-02 18:09:06 etc.) but nobody yet said in which COUNTRY this is the default anyway. USA, maybe? ;) Japan? --

Re: [Freedos-devel] ANSI C (C89) locale.h -- DOS compiler support?

2011-09-04 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Sun, 4 Sep 2011, Rugxulo wrote: OpenWatcom has locale.h, but its headers are just confusing (thanks to supporting a billion OSes), so I have no idea if it's just empty stubs for DOS (probably) vs. works fine on Windows. (To most people, supporting cp850 was exotic enough, I guess.) They

Re: [Freedos-devel] potential issues with freedos in virtual environments

2011-09-05 Thread Steve Nickolas
yOn Mon, 5 Sep 2011, Jim Michaels wrote: I can tell you that the packet drivers I was directed to, crynwyr, are SO OLD.  no development has been done on DOS packet drivers since then, apparently.  solution?  get the drivers from realtek (the email I sent to this list earlier), and get a cheap

Re: [Freedos-devel] Freedos and lack of drivers

2011-09-14 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Wed, 14 Sep 2011, Andreas Berger wrote: Writing a multitasker is easy, but I have no understanding about how DPMI, rings and resource allocation work. I think the idea of a bare-bone linux behind the scene is a very good. Truth be told I would like to see OS/2 resurrected with true DOS

Re: [Freedos-devel] Freedos and lack of drivers

2011-09-14 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Wed, 14 Sep 2011, Travis Siegel wrote: Mike, I like your suggestions. One thing that always bothered me about dos versions that have come out since ms dropped the ball is their complete lack of inovation. I realize there's only so much that can be done if you're intending to keep 100

Re: [Freedos-devel] If I want to compile applications in FreeDOS, which compiler should I use?

2011-09-17 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011, Ralf A. Quint wrote: At 06:20 PM 9/16/2011, Rugxulo wrote: DOS to most people means MS-DOS, which is indeed long dead. So is any other DOS. In a technical sense at least. DR-DOS is dead, PC-DOS is dead, PT-DOS is apparently dead as well... And FreeDOS original goal was

Re: [Freedos-devel] 7Zip

2012-08-22 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012, Georg Potthast wrote: I observed that 7zip provides a better compression than ZIP. The CD image of my Graphical FreeDOS distribution XFDOS xfdos.iso is 63.2 MB uncompressed. ZIP compresses this to 53.1 MB while 7z compresses it to 27.1 MB, almost half of that. See here:

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS limits! and FDNPKG v0.93a released

2013-05-08 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Wed, 8 May 2013, Charles Belhumeur wrote: Oh wait I couple of points though.  One fairly embarrassing, I made a mistake on the size of the genome files.  The big ones are in the range of 300 to 600 MB not GB!  So doable on 2 GB partition.  The trouble is some sources deliver them in Zip

Re: [Freedos-devel] ps2 to 5-pin din adapter, kb's, vm's

2013-06-03 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Sun, 2 Jun 2013, Michael Graham wrote: Hi Jim, I just thought I'd point out something about the Unicomp keyboards.  On their website, they have a 'Keyboard Configuration Tool' that allows you to select alternative layouts.  They have a version with 'Vertical Enter' available that I assume

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS offline updater

2013-06-18 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Tue, 18 Jun 2013, Rugxulo wrote: Dunno, lemme check. Sometimes GNU does indeed host Windows binaries. Hmmm, I don't see anything on this particular mirror I'm checking. My Cygwin install does have it, but I don't think it's installed by default (doubt it's in their base).

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS offline updater

2013-06-18 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Wed, 19 Jun 2013, Rugxulo wrote: I was referring to official GNU binaries for Windows (e.g. Emacs or CVS, although upon second look the latter is kinda old and non-GNU hosted by GNU, go figure): I thought GNU didn't do official binaries for anything. -uso.

Re: [Freedos-devel] Fw : (Q) recommended way to reliably check for FreeDOS vs. AnyDOS ?

2013-07-05 Thread Steve Nickolas
http://www.ctyme.com/intr/rb-2711.htm FreeDOS preturns an OEM ID of 0xFD, which is distinct from other DOS implementations. -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store.

Re: [Freedos-devel] Nano-X supposedly ported to DOS, API similar both to X and Windows GDI, small memory footprint

2014-03-19 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Wed, 19 Mar 2014, Ralf Quint wrote: The advantage of GEM however is that it can execute pretty much any (Free)DOS program, so not only GUI programs, while microwindows seems to support only specifically created programs. Its other advantage is it'll work on anything down to even a Tandy

Re: [Freedos-devel] Nano-X supposedly ported to DOS, API similar both to X and Windows GDI, small memory footprint

2014-03-19 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Wed, 19 Mar 2014, Ralf Quint wrote: On 3/19/2014 5:53 PM, Steve Nickolas wrote: On Wed, 19 Mar 2014, Ralf Quint wrote: The advantage of GEM however is that it can execute pretty much any (Free)DOS program, so not only GUI programs, while microwindows seems to support only specifically

Re: [Freedos-devel] Nano-X supposedly ported to DOS, API similar both to X and Windows GDI, small memory footprint

2014-03-19 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Thu, 20 Mar 2014, Paul Dufresne wrote: Now I do admit that GEM seems much more memory friendly than Nano-X. Nano-X for DOS is built with DJGPP, which need DPMI (dos extender) and so a 386 or more recent. And that's the real kicker. If you're gonna require 32-bit, you almost might as well

Re: [Freedos-devel] Nano-X supposedly ported to DOS, API similar both to X and Windows GDI, small memory footprint

2014-03-20 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Thu, 20 Mar 2014, Paul Dufresne wrote: If you're gonna require 32-bit, you almost might as well just go with *x *x ? Unix and its workalikes (Linux, BSD, etc.) As far as I know, Xorg cannot run on DOS. *Xorg* can't, but *X Window 11* can. Remember DesQview/X? Still, my point remains -

Re: [Freedos-devel] Do not use any code from ms-dos releASE!

2014-03-26 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Wed, 26 Mar 2014, sparky4 wrote: read the licence and find out why! This should ABSOLUTELY go without saying. -uso. -- ___ Freedos-devel mailing list

Re: [Freedos-devel] File creation times

2014-07-02 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Wed, 2 Jul 2014, Matej Horvat wrote: Hi, I noticed that many files on my FreeDOS partition do not have a creation time, or rather they claim to be created in 1980. For a long time I thought that this is a bug, but today I looked at the kernel source code and found out that file creation

Re: [Freedos-devel] File creation times

2014-07-03 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Thu, 3 Jul 2014, Matej Horvat wrote: You're making this a bigger problem than it is. I'm not suggesting we move Windows 95 LFN functions into the kernel, just that we modify the kernel to set the creation times of new files, which is a trivial thing to do (just two extra assignment

Re: [Freedos-devel] Getting started

2014-07-07 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Mon, 7 Jul 2014, Jim Michaels wrote: also, my officejet printer is a network printer and uses HP SLP or HPLIP or the port 9100 thing, it has a jetdirect. so I am not sure how I am going to print, with usb cable or via network... ? not sure what to do with canon, epson, brother, etc.

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS Roadmap: (Was Getting started

2014-07-13 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Sun, 13 Jul 2014, Michael B. Brutman wrote: Tightly integrated protected mode support basically leaves 8088 or 80286 class machines behind. Which seems fair given that those machines are 25 or more years old now but a big market for running any form of DOS is to support old hardware. So

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS Roadmap: (Was Getting started

2014-07-13 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Sun, 13 Jul 2014, Matej Horvat wrote: IMO, if your OS can't run without requiring another OS and some sort of emulator, you can't call it an OS anymore. Having DOS on real hardware is very important to me, and I'm sure people using it for e.g. embedded systems and other niche markets would

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS JetDirect driver

2014-07-13 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Sun, 13 Jul 2014, Andy Stamp wrote: Hi, (Kind of sidetracked from FreeDOS roadmap but seems to belon here...) I'm just getting started programming for DOS but have worked a bit with different printing languages and would love to get started on a project that converts ESC/P to something

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS Roadmap: (Was Getting started

2014-07-15 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014, Eric Auer wrote: Hi :-) In my opinion historical applications should be advantage for intel devices not weight for free dos. If NORTON COMMANDER is the condition lets to rewrite it to c :-) There already are a few nice free file managers, including clones of popular

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS Roadmap: (Was Getting started

2014-07-15 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014, Travis Siegel wrote: There's the krin tcp packet drivers, which seem to have drivers for just about any kind of card you'd like to support (since most that aren't supported can emulate one of those that is) You mean Crynwr? So, there's all kinds of ways to handle

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS JetDirect driver (was: Getting started)

2014-07-18 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Fri, 18 Jul 2014, Rugxulo wrote: Hi, Jim, On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Jim Michaels jmich...@yahoo.com wrote: a windows version of DJGPP is in the wings, based on cygwin I think. there's an alpha you can compile with cygwin. This is so wrong that I don't even know where to begin.

Re: [Freedos-devel] Difference between command.com and frecom.com when parsing command line arguments of a batch file.

2014-07-18 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Sat, 19 Jul 2014, Mateusz Viste wrote: Hi all, I think this problem goes beyond path separators. As I understand it, any argument including a slash character will get exploded. So yes, this might be used as path separator, but not only. For eg. sed expects slash delimited values

Re: [Freedos-devel] Getting started

2014-08-07 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Thu, 7 Aug 2014, Rugxulo wrote: Not sure what ADOS is exactly, can you point to a URL or describe it better? (I assume this is not just something from MS-DOS proper.) AccessDOS on the MS-DOS 6 supplemental disks provided accessibility stuff like MouseKeys and FilterKeys under MS-DOS. Its

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 and 2.0 roadmap discussion

2015-01-01 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Thu, 1 Jan 2015, Mercury Thirteen wrote: Speaking of multiple kernels, would it be acceptable to require a minimum hardware platform for a new version of FreeDOS? Could we exclude the pre-386 crowd without backlash? Personally, I think that's acceptable and I'm sure Microsoft would've no

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 and 2.0 roadmap discussion

2015-01-02 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Fri, 2 Jan 2015, Mercury Thirteen wrote: I've detailed the advantages in several other emails, and so far as what applications would run on it... both traditional DOS apps and new 32-bit applications as well. Might be trickier if you're talking about 16-bit apps that hit the metal. Even

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 and 2.0 roadmap discussion

2015-01-03 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, Thomas Mueller wrote: I thought of that, a 32-bit version of FreeDOS could take ideas/features from OS/2 and eComStation. I saw OS/2 as like a much-enhanced 32-bit DOS. Yeah. And if I were to try to create a 32-bit DOS, it might be something like OS/2 without

Re: [Freedos-devel] Multi user system

2015-01-23 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Fri, 23 Jan 2015, Travis Siegel wrote: Actually, I'm fairly certain qb does allow interrupts to be called. It requires use of an include (can't remember which one off hand), but all you do is configure the interrupt call, then call the subroutine in the include, and poof, generated

Re: [Freedos-devel] Instituting a vetting process for FreeDOS software

2015-01-27 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Tue, 27 Jan 2015, Travis Siegel wrote: On Jan 27, 2015, at 11:24 PM, Ralf Quint wrote: But I would seriously discourage the use of gcc, as that is not going to help to produce anything useful for DOS, as it by and large is a *ix based and targeting compiler, which has only be shoehorned

Re: [Freedos-devel] Instituting a vetting process for FreeDOS software

2015-01-28 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Wed, 28 Jan 2015, JAYDEN CHARBONNEAU wrote: To be clear,it was the first version of Microsoft's QUICKBASIC.It was the only version that supported creating EXE files. Every version of QuickBasic supports that, as opposed to QBASIC. Quite frankly,and I've said this multiple times (My

Re: [Freedos-devel] Instituting a vetting process for FreeDOS software

2015-01-28 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Wed, 28 Jan 2015, Ralf Quint wrote: Again, we need to be very clear here. QBASIC (the interpreter) was free as a part of MS-DOS 5.0 through MS-DOS 6.22 (and NOT part of IBM-DOS 5.x, they still included BASICA (GWBasic equivalent of MS-DOS, as all IBM PCs still had BASIC in ROM). Actually,

Re: [Freedos-devel] Multi user system

2015-01-23 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Fri, 23 Jan 2015, JAYDEN CHARBONNEAU wrote: Unfortunately,to my dismay,I found out today while programming the multi-user system that QBASIC (yes,I program in QBASIC) doesn't support creating interrupt vectors.Due to that fact,I cannot finish programming the muti-user system.I apologize

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS compatibility issue according to Asus

2015-03-21 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Sat, 21 Mar 2015, JAYDEN CHARBONNEAU wrote: Well,UEFI has a legacy boot mode.But,in theory,one can take out the UEFI firmware out a computer and put BIOS firmware in.So it is possible,if one is hardware savvy.NIOS can still be special ordered in computers as well.Also,I have thought about

Re: [Freedos-devel] FW: FreeDOS compatibility issue according to Asus

2015-03-30 Thread Steve Nickolas
The only problem I have with an Asus BIOS (and it's an AMIBIOS, really), is that for some reason I can't put an SSD as the default boot device, so I need to manually pick my C drive for 7 from the boot menu. Pain in the keester, but really only a minor annoyance when you only infrequently

Re: [Freedos-devel] FW: FreeDOS compatibility issue according to Asus

2015-03-28 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Sat, 28 Mar 2015, Rugxulo wrote: (EDIT: I was going to be like Jim and mention that they recommend Windows, same as Dell. I think I was even going to say, Steam has 4500 games, most for Windows only, but Wikipedia does claim that Steam for Linux now has roughly 20% of those. Gaming is very

Re: [Freedos-devel] Hello!

2015-05-17 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Sat, 16 May 2015, Louis Santillan wrote: On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 7:44 PM, JK Benedict xenfomat...@outlook.com wrote: [SNIP] - Base resources, such as file system options/changes - Connectivity tools * Modernized web browser (I am working on one now - a text based prototype)

Re: [Freedos-devel] freedos os

2015-04-10 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Fri, 10 Apr 2015, Ty Armour wrote: development project for doing...just a thought: dos based version of PCBSD include the .net runtime You're on crack. -uso. -- BPM Camp - Free Virtual Workshop May 6th at 10am

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS Developer Studio

2015-06-03 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Wed, 3 Jun 2015, Antony Gordon wrote: Why is that important? Because that means it doesn't really qualify for inclusion with FreeDOS, as I understand it. -uso. -- ___

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS Developer Studio

2015-06-03 Thread Steve Nickolas
Keep in mind that OpenWatcom doesn't meet Debian or GNU's criteria to be open source. -uso. -- ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net

Re: [Freedos-devel] 32-bit FreeDOS

2015-06-08 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Mon, 8 Jun 2015, Antony Gordon wrote: Hi, See my other email. In DOS, MZ=ZM, I guess Microsoft changed course at some point. They are typically called MZ executables. I was specifically referring to the specific magic number that would show up as ZM in a text editor. All the files I've

Re: [Freedos-devel] 32-bit FreeDOS

2015-06-08 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Mon, 8 Jun 2015, Antony Gordon wrote: Hi, It’s all semantics. Most signatures are MZ, but some old linkers (not sure if they are even in use) used ZM according to RBIL Values for the executable types understood by various environments: MZ old-style DOS executable (see #01594

Re: [Freedos-devel] 32-bit FreeDOS

2015-06-08 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Tue, 9 Jun 2015, John Elliott wrote: If you can mark the EXEs as something other than MZ, you could perhaps make a TSR loader stub that loads an x86 emulator on demand to run EXE files. COM... I think you're gonna be stuck with using only an EXE format because trying to detect a COM file

Re: [Freedos-devel] 32-bit FreeDOS

2015-06-08 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Mon, 8 Jun 2015, Antony Gordon wrote: Hi snip Do ZM EXEs actually exist? Yes. Any 16-bit MS-DOS target compiler generates MZ executables. FreeDOS is full of them. I said ZM, not MZ. -uso. --

Re: [Freedos-devel] 32-bit FreeDOS

2015-06-05 Thread Steve Nickolas
A port of DOS to ARM would not be bound to any existing API and would not need to be compatible with any existing DOS implementations, while still being a port of DOS. -uso. --

Re: [Freedos-devel] 32-bit FreeDOS

2015-06-05 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Sat, 6 Jun 2015, Chelson Aitcheson wrote: Doesn't matter, Mac os power pc applications dont work on new Mac os but it's still the same os. (rosetta comparability layer aside) I see this as more of a chance for a new generation of dos. Freedos 1.x has accomplished the needs for the

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 package compilation

2015-06-23 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Mercury Thirteen wrote: I'm still reviewing the packages to ensure they're all open source compliant. What are we considering acceptable in this regard? Are we going only with software which has been made available under one of the GNU licenses exclusively? Obviously

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 package compilation

2015-06-23 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Mercury Thirteen wrote: I guess I didn't scroll up enough to read your reply! Sorry about that, and thanks for the input. :) So, you're saying we should only use 100% GPL software, yes? I can easily go through and pull the affected packages; I really don't think there

Re: [Freedos-devel] 32-bit FreeDOS

2015-05-28 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Thu, 28 May 2015, Antony Gordon wrote: Here’s one possibility: 1. Start FreeDOS (16-bit mode) 2. Start FreeDOS-32 via a separate executable (it would only be installed if it detected a 32-bit capable processor), perhaps call it FD32. It would switch to protected mode and spawn a protected

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS (ODIN) and 8086 compatibility

2015-05-24 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Sun, 24 May 2015, Mateusz Viste wrote: Hi all, Not sure that anybody cares about this, but just in case - I recently tested the 1-diskette FreeDOS distribution ODIN on an 8086 PC, and spotted a few more or less serious problems. I got the ODIN image from odin.fdos.org, and more

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS (ODIN) and 8086 compatibility

2015-05-25 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Mon, 25 May 2015, Mateusz Viste wrote: On 25/05/2015 06:33, Ralf Quint wrote: MEMA: Prints out garbage to screen and quits. What is MEMA? No idea, only Steve knows probably :) I assumed it is some kind of replacement for MEM (since MEM is missing on ODIN), but because of its crashing, I

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS (ODIN) and 8086 compatibility

2015-05-25 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Mon, 25 May 2015, Rugxulo wrote: There are, of course, various file managers, but as far as Xtree (or compatibles), esp. for 8086, I have no idea. Not sure about MFM diagnostics. Actually, wasn't oldy-moldy-classic DOS Navigator 1.51 totally 16-bit? You could always try that (not directly

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS (ODIN) and 8086 compatibility

2015-05-26 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Tue, 26 May 2015, Edouard Forler wrote: If I can find some time to do it, I would like to investigate why it is slow. ms-dos was written in assembly until ms-dos 4, however they kept much of it after that and as I said, ms-dos 6.22 works much faster on an XT. Is freedos written in assembly

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS (ODIN) and 8086 compatibility

2015-05-26 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Tue, 26 May 2015, Edouard Forler wrote: Most of the tools (format, etc.) were written in C, but command.com, io.sys and msdos.sys were written in assembly. For me, ms-dos is just these three files and especially msdos.sys. I tend to favor this approach too. The resident components are

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS (ODIN) and 8086 compatibility

2015-05-26 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Tue, 26 May 2015, JAYDEN CHARBONNEAU wrote: Microsoft's COMMAND.COM is not as great.Since when did it include two different memory versions (4dos)?FreeDOS includes extra commands that are built in,such as BEEP,SOUND,and a few other batch commands.As for compatibility with older

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2

2015-10-27 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Tue, 27 Oct 2015, Jim Hall wrote: > It's great that you want that level of "Advanced" control during your > FreeDOS install process, but I still ask "Do we really need that level > of customization?" I don't think so. I think we need a simple install > process. DOS isn't that big; MSDOS 5 came

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2

2015-11-17 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Tue, 17 Nov 2015, Eric Auer wrote: >> got my hands on a lot of unopened micro floppy disks, with a 1 MB storage > > That is an unusual size for a floppy, I would say. How many inch? Prolly means unformatted 3.5" 720K disks, which are sold as "1 MB". -uso.

Re: [Freedos-devel] FDNPKG16 port!

2015-10-06 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Tue, 6 Oct 2015, sparky4 wrote: > ah ok!! > > i am now stuck at the converting the net code from wattcp to mtcp Why not leave it WatTCP? WatTCP supports 16-bit too. -uso. --

Re: [Freedos-devel] mTCP/IP stack by M Brutman is now closed source

2015-09-07 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Mon, 7 Sep 2015, Maarten Vermeulen wrote: Hi, My question here is why do you want that. I don't want to be irritating (which I probably am now). Why is it important to have it open source? It's FreeDOS, after all. Can't include stuff that isn't Free®™© ;) However, it's my personal

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Installer Project

2015-09-11 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Fri, 11 Sep 2015, Eric Auer wrote: > Of course it is good to be able to reach a prompt, > but I would not put effort in extra magic. To let > the user manually select packages, the user could > do a BASE install and afterwards simply run FDNPKG > to install more of the packages which are

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Installer Project

2015-09-10 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Thu, 10 Sep 2015, Eric Auer wrote: > > Hi! > >> How many of you remember the DOS 6.22 install process? If possible, it >> should aim for that. It's simple and straight to the point. It worked > > As far as I remember, it was 3 floppies and only "base" software... > Also, under which conditions

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

2015-09-29 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Tue, 29 Sep 2015, Mercury Thirteen wrote: > Agreed. It's better to add more abilities to FreeDOS than to let it fall > under the Linux umbrella. FreeDOS is a lightweight, nimble OS and it would > behoove us to not lose its identity under that of another. Agreed, though I suspect there's not

Re: [Freedos-devel] exfat support from android linux for freedos sdxc support and more?

2015-09-27 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Sun, 27 Sep 2015, Antony Gordon wrote: > Hmmm, > > Possibly, BUT the resultant code would still have to be brought back to > FreeDOS on virtual or real floppy. Might as well develop in a VM under > FreeDOS. Well, there's mtools for that. ;) > OpenWatcom, like I mentioned earlier was too

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