Re: [Freedos-user] Purpose of dos...

2009-01-19 Thread Robert Riebisch
Eric Auer wrote: > In general, one of the Wattcp > and Watt32 annoyances is that it does not keep DHCP > config in "general" RAM, so each time you start some > network app for DOS, it asks the DHCP server again? Later Watt-32 programs cache DHCP information in %TEMP%\W32DHCP.TMP. Robert Riebisch

Re: [Freedos-user] Purpose of dos...

2009-01-19 Thread Christian Masloch
> even an unexperienced programmer should have no problem to give Int13 > access > to his fance RAM disk The difficulty (or inexistant difficulty) of giving some device Int13 access isn't my point. *Not* giving Int13 access for any block device is the reason for the DOS block device architec

Re: [Freedos-user] Purpose of dos...

2009-01-19 Thread Tom Ehlert
>> as a matter of fact, all SCSI/RAID/USB/whatever disk devices are >> either Int13-visible (using the boot eprom for SCSI/RAID or by >> emulation ), or not visible at all. > Ever heard of DOS block devices? Think of a RAM disk. It'll usually > install a DOS block device so that DOS can access i

Re: [Freedos-user] Purpose of dos...

2009-01-19 Thread Christian Masloch
> as a matter of fact, all SCSI/RAID/USB/whatever disk devices are > either Int13-visible (using the boot eprom for SCSI/RAID or by > emulation ), or not visible at all. Ever heard of DOS block devices? Think of a RAM disk. It'll usually install a DOS block device so that DOS can access it's FA

Re: [Freedos-user] Purpose of dos...

2009-01-19 Thread Tom Ehlert
> I'm talking about non-FAT DOS block devices. This especially includes > (beside Int13 devices) any SCSI/USB/whatever device that is _not_ > accessible through Int13 (and therefore invisible to usual Int13-only > local filesystem redirectors). no idea what you are talking about. as a matter of

Re: [Freedos-user] Purpose of dos...

2009-01-19 Thread Christian Masloch
Hi, >>> Character devices can be found by their name and can be >>> controlled via IOCTL... In addition, because you pass >>> the device name as command line option to CDEX, this way >>> is slightly more end user friendly than int2f handlers, >>> in particular if you have more than 1 CDROM driver

Re: [Freedos-user] Purpose of dos...

2009-01-19 Thread Eric Auer
Hi, >> Character devices can be found by their name and can be >> controlled via IOCTL... In addition, because you pass >> the device name as command line option to CDEX, this way >> is slightly more end user friendly than int2f handlers, >> in particular if you have more than 1 CDROM driver load

Re: [Freedos-user] Purpose of dos...

2009-01-19 Thread Christian Masloch
Hi, > Character devices can be found by their name and can be > controlled via IOCTL... In addition, because you pass > the device name as command line option to CDEX, this way > is slightly more end user friendly than int2f handlers, > in particular if you have more than 1 CDROM driver loaded. N

Re: [Freedos-user] Purpose of dos...

2009-01-19 Thread Eric Auer
Hi! >> You could write such a driver but you have to remember that "DOS >> block device" already implies FAT anyway. > > This implication is a part of the problem I'm talking about. DOS (rather, > the DOS device loader) shouldn't assume that just FAT exists (it also > shouldn't discard non-F

Re: [Freedos-user] Purpose of dos...

2009-01-19 Thread Christian Masloch
> You could write such a driver but you have to remember that "DOS > block device" already implies FAT anyway. This implication is a part of the problem I'm talking about. DOS (rather, the DOS device loader) shouldn't assume that just FAT exists (it also shouldn't discard non-FAT partitions fr

Re: [Freedos-user] Purpose of dos...

2009-01-19 Thread Eric Auer
Hi! Not all DOS USB disk drivers are one part... A driver pair that works well is for example USBASPI ASPIDISK where the former gives block level access while the latter connects DOS block devices to those partitions on the USB disk which are FAT formatted. You can have (write) some ASPINTFS driv

Re: [Freedos-user] Purpose of dos...

2009-01-19 Thread Christian Masloch
> This is already what DOS does, sort of. DOS has no separation of > access rights, so there is no userspace, but it has a layered > system of drivers. The kernel supports BIOS int13 drives as well > as FAT filesystems. After booting, you can load drivers to give > the kernel access to the sectors

Re: [Freedos-user] Purpose of dos...

2009-01-19 Thread Christian Masloch
>>> Why not, say, Samba? There already is smbclient for DOS. > > Note that smbclient has the look and feel of a text > mode ftp client. It does not create local DOS drive > letters for your remote network shares or anything. Because that would require a full-blown DOS version that hooks into the

Re: [Freedos-user] Purpose of dos...

2009-01-19 Thread Eric Auer
Hi! >> The extensions I'm interested in are mainly those that allow me to >> access newer filesystems so that the people who use my tests won't >> whinge as much about having to transfer files from DOS to NTFS or the >> like. > Perhaps something like FUSE (Filesystems in Userspace) could be por

Re: [Freedos-user] Purpose of dos...

2009-01-19 Thread Eric Auer
Hi! > Just make regular backups, and keep a clean image. > Make one before you go in the interwebz. > Got a virus? Just wipe the disk and put the image back. As you do not always notice the virus at once, you better also keep older images. Or maybe you keep a few generations of backups of your p

Re: [Freedos-user] Purpose of dos...

2009-01-19 Thread Jonathan W.
I use FreeDOS because I have an old laptop which is somehow too slow to run DSL. I installed FreeDOS on it and I'm currently using it for keeping a journal on and writing an interactive fiction game in TADS. Since I'm keeping a journal on it, it needed to be lockable... which DOS traditionally has

Re: [Freedos-user] Purpose of dos...

2009-01-19 Thread David C. Kerber
I use DOS for running burn-in testing of new machines which are then imaged with various versions of Windows. The burn-in logs are written to a network share; the DOS networking clients work fine, though I haven't had much luck with DOS as a server. Does that count? > -Original Message-

Re: [Freedos-user] WIFI SNIFFER FOR DOS

2009-01-19 Thread iw2evk
I've found a packet sniffer BUT not a signal strenght program.. see http://www.perotti.ic.cz/wavelan/pvdemo%5b1%5d.zip roberto duparc wrote: > > Did you got any answer ? > Thnks > > Zitat von iw2evk : > >> >> Hi , >> >> someone know if exis a wifi utility for monitoring the wifi activity in

Re: [Freedos-user] Purpose of dos...

2009-01-19 Thread Amedee Van Gasse
On Sun, January 18, 2009 19:28, Eric Auer wrote: >> As far as web browsing and dos, isn't dos susceptible to almost >> every single virus on the planet? Another thing, some people >> want to run dos thinking that it can't browse the Internet. > > DOS is too old to support modern viruses, so unles

Re: [Freedos-user] Purpose of dos...

2009-01-19 Thread Amedee Van Gasse
On Sun, January 18, 2009 09:02, Jim Lemon wrote: > The extensions I'm interested in are mainly those that allow me to > access newer filesystems so that the people who use my tests won't > whinge as much about having to transfer files from DOS to NTFS or the > like. Perhaps something like FUSE (F