Hello Adam,
I've never really understood why people complain about the GPL being
viral - perhaps you can enlighten me with another viewpoint. I only
ever see it from the point of view where someone is very happy to make
use of code another has provided for free, but they don't want to share
On 4/6/21 9:40 PM, Adam Nielsen via Freedos-user wrote:
A lot of people complain about the viral nature of the GPL but that's
its greatest asset. It stops people from making use of open source
code in such a way that you can't get access to it yourself. The viral
nature is specifically
> They do not do that generally. They are concerned solely with code
> licensed under the GPL.
That's very true, I should have clarified - you have to assign your
copyright to the FSF before they are in a position to defend it. Not
everyone does this, I imagine as it prevents them from later
On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 4:30 AM Adam Nielsen via Freedos-user
wrote:
> > I do dare to ask a dumb question, after reading several post about FSF.
> >
> > Can anyone explain what is FSF, i'm just a simple tech guy!
>
> One thing they also do - perhaps the most important in my opinion - is
> that
On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 3:30 AM Adam Nielsen via Freedos-user
wrote:
>
> > I do dare to ask a dumb question, after reading several post about FSF.
> >
> > Can anyone explain what is FSF, i'm just a simple tech guy!
>
> One thing they also do - perhaps the most important in my opinion - is
> that
> I do dare to ask a dumb question, after reading several post about FSF.
>
> Can anyone explain what is FSF, i'm just a simple tech guy!
One thing they also do - perhaps the most important in my opinion - is
that they keep companies who make use of free software honest. They
will commence
Hello.
Thank you, i'll do some reading.
If you change the (libre) to (livre), you just translated from Spanish to
Portuguese (i do not mean Brazillian, they were a Portuguese Colony)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Brazil
On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 8:15 PM Rugxulo wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On
Hi,
On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 2:06 PM Joao Silva wrote:
>
> I do dare to ask a dumb question, after reading several post about FSF.
>
> Can anyone explain what is FSF, i'm just a simple tech guy!
Free Software Foundation, aka the ones who fund the GNU organization
(GPL, GCC, BinUtils [as, ld],
Hello to all!
I do dare to ask a dumb question, after reading several post about FSF.
Can anyone explain what is FSF, i'm just a simple tech guy!
Thank you.
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Hi,
On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 2:41 AM Eric Auer wrote:
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> > Richard Stallman has not been convicted by a court. He is not in
> > prison. Let's not burn his house down over pathetic words.
>
> That is not the point.
To treat his behavior as a crime that mandatorily deserves punishment
implies that
Thanks for the explanation, Jim:
Here's the thing: I've had years of direct experience with Stallman.
I've even met him several times in person. And in that time, I've
watched him say and do very mean and hurtful things. Both to me, and
to others.
What can we learn from this negative
Thanks, Jim:
And it's because FreeDOS predates the term "open source" and the Open
Source Initiative that so much of our early history was so strongly
aligned with the Free Software Foundation (founded 1985). That's
actually why it's "FreeDOS" and not "OpenDOS" .. because for 4 or 5
years after
Hi Liam:
The key issue that got him kicked out of the FSF two years ago (as well as
forced out of MIT!) was to suggest that those underage victims of Eppstein
"Epstein" not Eppstein.
that his chum Minsky had been playing with did so "willingly"
That is not correct. It is not fair to
Hi Rugxulo,
> Richard Stallman has not been convicted by a court. He is not in
> prison. Let's not burn his house down over pathetic words.
That is not the point.
> He's not perfect. He doesn't have to be.
To be in a leading position in an organisation which tries
to be a good example in the
Hi, TK Chia:
In practical terms, I am especially worried that I might have to pore
over the Codes of Conduct of conferences to look for hidden gotchas.
Play the ball, not the man. Or consider whether what you utter gives
more light than heat.
When things get to "Oo, you, you you, you
Exactly! :D
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> Thanks, Rugxulo:
>
> > Just
> > because someone doesn't agree with him, even if he speaks
> > egregious words, doesn't mean he should be destroyed.
>
+1
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On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 7:08 PM, Rugxulo wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:04 AM dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Meanwhile, I'm beyond caring about Stallman or the state of the FSF.
> > Both
Hello Rugxulo,
but that doesn't mean he should be heavily punished. Just because someone
doesn't agree with him, even if he speaks egregious words, doesn't mean he
should be destroyed. I reject that kind of irrational anger (especially
You cannot have it both ways. Either opinions are
On 3/31/2021 4:35 PM, Liam Proven wrote:
It appears that someone here does not fully and properly understand
this issue, and it is you, Ralf.
Sorry but no, it is YOU (and some others). Just read the original letter
from the MIT student that started all of this (Yes, you still can find
this
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:04 AM dmccunney wrote:
> >
> > Meanwhile, I'm beyond caring about Stallman or the state of the FSF.
> > Both deserve whatever happens to them.
On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 6:10 PM Rugxulo wrote:
[..]
> He's [Stallman] not perfect. He doesn't have to be. If we can't deal
On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 at 21:12, Ralf Quint wrote:
>
> Well, RSM is just all around one miserable excuse of a human being.
RMS, not RSM. He shares his initials with the mathematical concept
root mean square.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_mean_square
> The basic issue at hand isn't that much
On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 9:29 PM Bryan Kilgallin wrote:
>
> What clout does the FreeDOS community have? If our outfit is affiliated
> or disaffiliates from FSF, does that make any difference? How is this
> going to affect the lot of FSF women?
>
FreeDOS may be a small open source project - but
On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 at 15:02, Adam Nielsen via Freedos-user
wrote:
>
> > Even today, where is NT lite from Microsoft?
>
> Do you mean Windows PE? AFAIK that's available for free, even though
> it's not open source.
I don't think so, no. PE is a limited live runtime Windows for booting
off
Thanks, Rugxulo:
Just
because someone doesn't agree with him, even if he speaks
egregious words, doesn't mean he should be destroyed.
"I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right
to Say It"
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Hi,
On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:04 AM dmccunney wrote:
>
> Meanwhile, I'm beyond caring about Stallman or the state of the FSF.
> Both deserve whatever happens to them.
It might be more honest (only guessing here) to admit that "He
stresses me out, I can't deal with him, I don't understand him,
Hi,
On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 2:12 PM Ralf Quint wrote:
>
> Someone who as a public person makes comments like this is just one of
the most despicable persons. There are no two ways about it.
> And if someone doesn't understand this issue at hand is part of the
problem...
His public or private
Hi,
>From all the posts I have read on this thread, this is my own favourite.
I mostly agree with what is being said by Dennis.
On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 at 07:05, dmccunney wrote:
> 2. The FSF is increasingly *irrelevant*. Open Source has *won*. It is
>
long past the days when an advocacy
Ultimately, this discussion is pointless.
1. Stallman has been known to be difficult for about as long as he's
been active. He's easy to work with - he's the smartest one in the
room, and just do things his way. No? Expect problems.
2. The FSF is increasingly *irrelevant*. Open Source has
Thanks, Eric:
Looking at the links provided by TK Chia and in Jim's blog,
Stallman has (and caused) a real problem, so I agree that
he should not be in that new powerful position he now got.
What clout does the FreeDOS community have? If our outfit is affiliated
or disaffiliates from FSF,
I don't know why we're still arguing about this. It's been established
fact for *ages* that cooperation with RMS is impossible:
http://www.jwz.org/hacks/why-cooperation-with-rms-is-impossible.mp3
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On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 9:06 AM TK Chia wrote:
>
> > Honestly, he's been known as "very eccentric" for many years. I don't
> > think anybody is surprised. He has opinions and voices them (whether
> > unpopular or not). You know what they say about opinions, right?
> > Everyone has one.
>
>
Hi all!
Looking at the links provided by TK Chia and in Jim's blog,
Stallman has (and caused) a real problem, so I agree that
he should not be in that new powerful position he now got.
And I do not think that this is cancel culture censoring
unpopular thoughts. He can share his thoughts as
Thanks, TK:
Well, I happen to lurk around on the GCC mailing list. The impression I
am getting is that the issue might be much larger than just "someone
having unpopular opinions"
We do have old people with old-fashioned views. I accept that this isn't
nice.
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On 3/30/2021 6:51 AM, TK Chia wrote:
Hello Rugxulo,
Honestly, he's been known as "very eccentric" for many years. I don't
think anybody is surprised. He has opinions and voices them (whether
unpopular or not). You know what they say about opinions, right?
Everyone has one.
Well, I happen to
Hello Rugxulo,
Honestly, he's been known as "very eccentric" for many years. I don't
think anybody is surprised. He has opinions and voices them (whether
unpopular or not). You know what they say about opinions, right?
Everyone has one.
Well, I happen to lurk around on the GCC mailing list.
> Until Microsoft isn't a monopoly, Stallman
> almost has to be the way he is and can hardly change at all.
Microsoft isn't really the problem any longer. You can pretty much get
Windows 10 for free. Fewer and fewer people have PCs in their homes,
having been replaced by phones and tablets
Thanks, Liam:
I like debate!
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On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 at 03:01, Michael Christopher Robinson
wrote:
>
> Stallman is clearly a hard person to get along with. Part of the reason is
> that Microsoft has been a monopoly for so long that the GPL was the only way
> anyone could have a personal computer run something not MS-DOS and
Rugxulo:
Why do you bring this drama here?? How does quasi-political outrage
affect FreeDOS? There is little to link FreeDOS to FSF other than the
GPL, but (as you know) the GPLv2 is very, very popular overall in the
software world.
Honestly, he's been known as "very eccentric" for many years.
On 3/29/2021 6:00 PM, Michael Christopher Robinson wrote:
Jim,
...
And what you are saying is?
Ralf
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I am extremely saddened to see another major corporation, Red Had, become a
member of the cancel culture. Today they bully an organization that refused
to cancel Stallman. Who will be bullied next? And who is really more
dangerous, Richard Stallman, or billion dollar corporations acting as
Jim,
Stallman is clearly a hard person to get along with. Part of the
reason is that Microsoft has been a monopoly for so long that the GPL
was the only way anyone could have a personal computer run something
not MS-DOS and not Windows NT in a realistic sense that they don't
have to buy a
On 3/29/2021 12:39 PM, tom ehlert wrote:
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/03/red-hat-withdraws-from-the-stallman-led-free-software-foundation/
maybe it's time to show the FSF the middle finger, too?
Tom
I'm in..
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+1
Despite not being a Stallmanite myself, I seriously couldn't agree more.
Besides, it's not like he just got hired to the board of an organization
fighting human trafficking... it's software. Completely unrelated. One's
opinion on any given topic has little to nothing to do with how well
Hi,
On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 2:40 PM tom ehlert wrote:
>
> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/03/red-hat-withdraws-from-the-stallman-led-free-software-foundation/
>
> maybe it's time to show the FSF the middle finger, too?
>
> Tom
Why do you bring this drama here?? How does quasi-political
On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 2:41 PM tom ehlert wrote:
>
>
> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/03/red-hat-withdraws-from-the-stallman-led-free-software-foundation/
>
>
> maybe it's time to show the FSF the middle finger, too?
>
> Tom
>
Yeah, I have a long history with Stallman, and he is not a
RMS stepped in it there, didn't he? Oops.
On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 3:40 PM tom ehlert wrote:
>
>
> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/03/red-hat-withdraws-from-the-stallman-led-free-software-foundation/
>
>
> maybe it's time to show the FSF the middle finger, too?
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/03/red-hat-withdraws-from-the-stallman-led-free-software-foundation/
maybe it's time to show the FSF the middle finger, too?
Tom
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