Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDos4Kids (and Kids-at-heart)

2011-11-03 Thread Michael B. Brutman
Hi Eric, I don't have a lot of experience myself, but a lot of my fellow hackers who specialize in obsolete machines have reported problems with CF cards. While CF cards are supposed to emulate IDE devices, a lot of the newer ones do not support CHS addressing and do not work in older

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDos4Kids (and Kids-at-heart)

2011-11-03 Thread Bret Johnson
On the topic of wear leveling I would go with the DOM products, as they are designed as hard drive replacements. It's pretty easy to burn up FLASH so wear leveling is important. FWIW, they claim that FLASH has unlimited read capability, but is limited in the number of writes. So, at least

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDos4Kids (and Kids-at-heart)

2011-11-03 Thread Jack
On the topic of wear leveling I would go with the DOM products, as they are designed as hard drive replacements. It's pretty easy to burn up FLASH so wear leveling is important. FWIW, they claim that FLASH has unlimited read capability, but is limited in the number of writes. So, at

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDos4Kids (and Kids-at-heart)

2011-11-03 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Op 3-11-2011 21:05, Jack schreef: Absolutely UNBELIEVABLE to me that FLASH devices are used AT ALL in hard-disk replacements!! Last I knew, FLASH devices are writeable only about 10,000 times. That is a LOW number of writes for disks if one considers DIRECTORY updates that any DOS system

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDos4Kids (and Kids-at-heart)

2011-11-03 Thread mbbrutman
Jack, Most modern flash devices have cells that are writable at least 10 times that - 100,000 cycles is the minimum you will find. Better devices have even higher cycle counts. DOM products have FLASH in them - Nobody said anything about DRAM. If they had DRAM they would have to be

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDos4Kids (and Kids-at-heart)

2011-11-03 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Op 3-11-2011 20:56, mbbrut...@brutman.com schreef: For applications where fast access is required nothing can beat a FLASH based device. Part of the equation there involves unit life; if you use a FLASH based device in an environment with lots of writes then you expect to be replacing it on

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDos4Kids (and Kids-at-heart)

2011-11-03 Thread Jack
Mike, Most modern flash devices have cells that are writable at least 10 times that - 100,000 cycles is the minimum you will find. Better devices have even higher cycle counts. Glad to hear, but I would still prefer a hard-disk whose lifetime is measured in years, not in cycles. DOM

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDos4Kids (and Kids-at-heart)

2011-11-02 Thread Andrew Robins
Cheers Jack and Michael, Apologies, Jack, for my typo - yes I meant UIDE instead. Thank you for your clarification on its caching operation, and I look forward to testing it on a pet project “when my boat comes in”. (Actually, maybe FreeDOS users could justifiably consider themselves as “Frugal

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDos4Kids (and Kids-at-heart)

2011-11-02 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Mike, Andrew, You should look for a product called Disk On Module. They are composed of FLASH chips and are designed to be direct replacements for IDE hard drives. Unlike a lot of CF cards that can be used with an CF to IDE adapter but might not support CHS addressing, DOMs are

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDos4Kids (and Kids-at-heart)

2011-11-02 Thread Eric Auer
Hi again! Sorry to react in two mails, but flash disks are a nice topic :-) Thanks Michael for the heads-up on DOM technology - it had completely missed my radar and after a bit of research I agree with your advise entirely to go with that rather than SDcard/CFcard+IDE adapter... In

[Freedos-user] FreeDos4Kids (and Kids-at-heart)

2011-11-01 Thread Andrew Robins
My primary interest in FreeDOS was both in sustainable computing and edutainment for primary-shool age children. That is, using classic, award-winning DOS games freely available from the Web on ancient laptops (e.g., 48mb max RAM, pre-USB vintage) to provide a living example of Reduce, Reuse,

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDos4Kids (and Kids-at-heart)

2011-11-01 Thread Jack
Andrew, I anticipate replacing the dying and clunky old hard-drives for SD cards on a 44-pin IDE adapter for better performance and improved efficiency. I imagine that the recent improvements with FreeDOS' EIDE would facilitate a hardware upgrade like that - am I understanding that

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDos4Kids (and Kids-at-heart)

2011-11-01 Thread Michael B. Brutman
Andrew, You should look for a product called Disk On Module. They are composed of FLASH chips and are designed to be direct replacements for IDE hard drives. Unlike a lot of CF cards that can be used with an CF to IDE adapter but might not support CHS addressing, DOMs are designed as IDE