On 16/03/2020 21:13, Mateusz Viste wrote:
In fact, I created my own Braille 'n Speak emulator last night. I'm not
sure yet what to do with it - so far I connected it to a FreeDOS install
running under VirtualBox and played with JAWS (...)
Hello,
Today I published my Braille 'n Speak
On 16/03/2020 20:35, Karen Lewellen wrote:
Joseph, you opted for the braille and speak emulator, does that mean
there exist other synthesizer emulators, for example is there a type &
speak one or a dectalk one?
I did some research and did not find any. The braille and speak system
has been
Let me answer this in part.
Felix in no way shape form or fashion can speak to for hundreds of
millions of individuals who experience blindness.
That his highly convoluted solution works for him speak to no one else at
all but himself.
Making a judgment about incorporating access into
um, gosh there is a sftp client included in sshdos that works for me
several times a day.
May be no need to re-invent the wheel if you already have an ftp client built
into freedos, since using freedos is the ultimate goal here?
On Mon, 16 Mar 2020, Eric Auer wrote:
Hi! Interesting that
Hi Mateusz, and Joseph.
I have a couple of extra questions.
Joseph, you opted for the braille and speak emulator, does that mean there
exist other synthesizer emulators, for example is there a type & speak one
or a dectalk one?
Mateusz, your explainations help me a great deal. My
ahem,
On Sun, 15 Mar 2020, Ralf Quint wrote:
Well, talking about "as of yet" in relation to DOS is a bit far fetched,
after all, DOS (as far as a mainstream OS) is pretty much dead for 25 years.
I take it you have neither joined lists like dos ain't dead, or followed
the djppp project,
Hi Mateusz,
I agree it is convoluted, but it's fun to play with such things. The
user experience is less than optimum because NVDA has its own ideas
about what part of a terminal window has changed between consecutive
states. So the virtualization approach is not off the table and is,
indeed,
Wow, that is much more convoluted than I was expecting. I'm impressed
you were able to figure out such a solution.
Is this NVDA-over-ssh-over-dosemu approach providing satisfying
usability compared to a native DOS screen reader like JAWS or ASAP? In
other words, is there any point in trying
Hi Mateusz,
I logged into a Linux server via SSH from Windows, installed Dosemu,
then started Dosemu with the -t option, putting it into terminal mode.
In effect, my Windows screen reader, which is called NVDA, detects and
reads changes to that terminal session, thereby giving access to the
DOS
On 16/03/2020 13:12, Felix G. wrote:
In the meantime I was able to play the Time And Magik trilogy by Level
9 in Dosemu2, using the current FreeDOS kernel 1.2
May I ask how you achieved this? Have you managed to install a screen
reader within DOSemu, which would talk through some Linux TTS?
Hi! Interesting that ftp between guest and host OS is
popular even for DOS. So maybe you want to try VMSMOUNT:
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.2/repos/pkg-html/vmsmount.html
"A DOS redirector for mounting VMware's shared folders"
Current version is from
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] Introducing myself, and inquiring about using FreeDOS as a blind user Hi Joseph and list,this is an amazing community, and I would like to say thank you forall the valuable help I am getting here. Since this is a process ofplayful learning for me, all your responses have been most welcome,and all
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:49 AMTo: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.netSubject: Re: [Freedos-user] Introducing myself, and inquiring about using FreeDOS as a blind user Hello Joseph, Thank you for the very detailed instructions - that's exactly what I was planning to test today, but it seems you did all the work already
Hello Joseph,
Thank you for the very detailed instructions - that's exactly what I was
planning to test today, but it seems you did all the work already. To
keep it short for other readers of this list, here's how it works:
1. FreeDOS must be installed inside a virtualization solution (I
Hi Joseph and list,
this is an amazing community, and I would like to say thank you for
all the valuable help I am getting here. Since this is a process of
playful learning for me, all your responses have been most welcome,
and all have been useful to different degrees and in different areas.
Your
Hi Felix: Since you’re usig DOSBox, and the description of your setup, I think you have everything you need to run FreeDOS. If you want to try it, you can get VMWare Player for free and install it. I put together a version of FreeDOS 1.3 RC2 a couple months ago. Here is the instruction files I
On 3/15/2020 4:16 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
...and you have discovered how many Linux distributions manage their
screen reader and speech synthesis.
It has not, as of yet, been done in DOS to my knowledge.
One major major reason is the poor sound quality.
Well, talking about "as of yet" in
One more very important point, especially for those who do not use tools
of this kind.
In many ways adaptive technology serves as an extension of, or even
substitution for an individual's hands, or eyes, or brain, or ears, or
even a combination of some of these.
That means that a screen
Oh the audio book resource for everyone idea is fantastic.
Most of those I know personally who use tts tools for reading on devices
like Kindles do not experience sight issues. after all the audio book
industry has been a multi-billion one for decades.
One reason why those used to speech
Hi there,
Answering one point below.
On Sun, 15 Mar 2020, Mateusz Viste wrote:
Well, Eric never claimed to be an expert in the subject, but nonetheless it
is always interesting to hear different hypothesis from peers. Even failed
hypothesis are valuable steps of the learning process. :)
Thanks FreeDOS community for such a heartening, community-minded response to
Felix's situation. It's amazing, well done team and I hope that one or multiple
satisfactory solutions can be worked out for sight-impaired users. Imagine if
the Aladdin's Cave of archived IF (interactive fiction)
Oh, and while I cannot speak to other products, dectalk synthesizers can
and do speak in multiple languages.
french Spanish, Korean, and Hebrew to name a few.
On Sun, 15 Mar 2020, Eric Auer wrote:
Hi Mateusz,
Hello Karen, indeed the screen-reading protocols seem to be not as easy
as I
Well, Eric never claimed to be an expert in the subject, but nonetheless
it is always interesting to hear different hypothesis from peers. Even
failed hypothesis are valuable steps of the learning process. :)
One can resolve some of these issues by using the actual drivers
provided by the
Again, ignore Eric, he has no first hand experiencing coding screen
readers to do anything let alone using them..
One can resolve some of these issues by using the actual drivers provided
by the actual programs themselves.
My understanding from Joseph, is that he has coded the b which stands
On 15/03/2020 23:06, Eric Auer wrote:
A quick look at the rather exotic Assembly dialect sources of PROVOX
tells me that there is no obvious text to phoneme translation algorithm
but just tables on how to pronounce special chars or to spell out things
char by char when the user requests that.
Hi Mateusz,
> Hello Karen, indeed the screen-reading protocols seem to be not as easy
> as I imagined they would be. Eric hinted off-list that they may work on
> a phonem-by-phonem base rather than being able to process "normal"
> written phrases. Also it seems each screen reader uses its own
hi,
disregard anything Eric says off list, he knows nothing about the way
these tools work and should not be considered an expert.
His description is totally wrong.
As I stated at the start another freedos member Joseph already has a
talking edition of freedos working.
Likewise as Felix
On 3/15/2020 9:11 AM, Felix G. wrote:
And if the last few paragraphs have made no sense whatsoever, consider
my question to be as follows: What is the established route by which a
blind user may install and use FreeDOS?
Well, if you do not have hardware that allows for access to a speech
Hello Karen, indeed the screen-reading protocols seem to be not as easy
as I imagined they would be. Eric hinted off-list that they may work on
a phonem-by-phonem base rather than being able to process "normal"
written phrases. Also it seems each screen reader uses its own protocol.
PROVOX
Mateusz
I just really screwed up your name, I apologize.
Do not hold that against me in writing privately, I do have a question for
you. I will answer a couple of questions for you below though, stating
firmly that they do not apply to freedos.
In context.
On Sun, 15 Mar 2020, Mateusz
Hi mateusz,
First profound apologies for messing up your name.
You know, I bet Joseph the person behind the talking freedos did not even
consider that one. I have a copy, and if it is indeed open source that
might be worth exploring.
Granted I would have to read documentation again, but
On 15/03/2020 21:34, Karen Lewellen wrote:
Including on board dos screen readers ASAP and Tinytalk.
Interesting. After a short search I found a TSR screen reader called
"PROVOX", which appears to be open-source. Is this something worth
looking at? So far I was able to load it under FreeDOS
Hi Felix,
My name is karen lewellen, and I have used DOS the real thing, not a
simulator, for approximately 32 years.
while I have never used freedos, I can tell you that A member here,
Joseph has recently created a fully functional and talking edition of
freedos.
Including on board dos
Thanks for the clarifications. From what I understand so far:
1. You run Windows
2. You'd like to play some old DOS text-based games
3. You have software able to read text aloud from a virtual serial port
4. You own a TSR that is able to read screen and output text to RS-232
5. You currently use
Sorry for the double-post, but I forgot to mention one detail:
The old DOS screen readers worked in two ways: (a) by hijacking
interrupt 21h so they'd be the first to know when a program wrote to
the screen, and to grab (and act upon) keystrokes. (b) by directly
accessing the video buffer to
Hi Felix,
actually Linux and Windows are rather similar to use
for sighted people, just click around in menus. While
it is possible to have speech or Braille (if you use
that?) already on during the install, I would feel a
lot safer with having separate machines for separate
operating systems.
Hello Mateusz,
there is no such thing as a dumb question when asked in the spirit in
which you are asking. Let me clarify inline below:
> FreeDOS - and DOS in general - is a text-based system, hence one could
> technically imagine that a virtualization platform could be able to
> provide an
Hi Eric!
Thank you for your helpful suggestions! While they may ultimately come
in handy if all else fails, I was actually hoping, coming from
operating system A, that I would not have to familiarize myself with
operating system C first in order to then use operating system B. In
fact, since I
Hello Felix,
I am sorry that I will provide no helpful advice here, only (probably
dumb) questions. I am not blind and I have no experience whatsoever in
this area.
FreeDOS - and DOS in general - is a text-based system, hence one could
technically imagine that a virtualization platform
Hi Felix, welcome to FreeDOS!
If you do not like dosbox, you may want to try
dosemu2 in Linux. That way, you can use Linux
audio drivers and speech synthesizers, which is
probably easier than using DOS ones, while still
being able to switch away from dosbox.
While dosemu2 is more modern, you
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