[Freedos-user] PCI SATA adapters with DOS

2021-06-23 Thread Jon Brase
Continuing a conversation from back in March, I took Liam's suggestion of using a PCI SATA adapter. I ended up getting a card with a SiI3114 chipset. I actually got the card a while ago, but took my sweet time getting around to installing it. The good: The card is bootable, and with only a

Re: [Freedos-user] PCI SATA adapters with DOS

2021-06-23 Thread Karen Lewellen
why not consider testing that effort with ms. dos 7.1 instead of dos 6? Karen On Wed, 23 Jun 2021, Jon Brase wrote: Continuing a conversation from back in March, I took Liam's suggestion of using a PCI SATA adapter. I ended up getting a card with a SiI3114 chipset. I actually got the card a

Re: [Freedos-user] PCI SATA adapters with DOS

2021-06-23 Thread Frantisek Rysanek
On 23 Jun 2021 at 14:59, Lukas Satin wrote: > ... Get XT IDE eeprom and put it in Ethernet NIC for example to get > boot options even for 386 and bypass size limitations Oh I see, you mean this: http://www.xtideuniversalbios.org/ ...apparently the software project is still active :-) That's

Re: [Freedos-user] PCI SATA adapters with DOS

2021-06-23 Thread Lukas Satin
Dobry den Franto, I will continue in English: 1) FreeDos should have some SATA driver because you can install it on new hardware, right? 2) Booting will be a problem on old MB. Get XT IDE eeprom and put it in Ethernet NIC for example to get boot options even for 386 and bypass size limitations

Re: [Freedos-user] PCI SATA adapters with DOS

2021-06-23 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Frank, the UDMA driver is old and the UIDE driver is a stripped down, merged version of what you would get when loading both UHDD and UDVD2 separately. So unless you want to boot from a 360k floppy on your Pentium PC with UDMA, you should probably always use UHDD and UDVD2, not the others

Re: [Freedos-user] PCI SATA adapters with DOS

2021-06-23 Thread Frantisek Rysanek
Dear Mr. Brase, thanks for the detailed report... I wasn't paying attention back in March, so I don't recall what motherboard and BIOS you have there... but in general that probably doesn't make too much of a difference :-) What you're complaining about (boot sequence / ordering of disk

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS make better compatibility with DOS games [current status]

2021-06-23 Thread Bryan Kilgallin
Yes, Eric: Networking with Samba is a bit complicated to configure, but Bryan and Frantisek have recently done that for Bryan's computers, so they can probably share some tricks. We have indeed done this! So I don't need to transfer data via USB stick. I mainly use FreeDOS to receive heart

Re: [Freedos-user] PCI SATA adapters with DOS

2021-06-23 Thread Lukas Satin
The XT IDE can be used in any controller card that allows it to hook into that specific interrupt. For example network card works because of support for network boot. There are also Compact Flash and IDE controllers with this support. Basically anything where you can attach this EEPROM. I am using

Re: [Freedos-user] PCI SATA adapters with DOS

2021-06-23 Thread Lukas Satin
BTW: If you want to hack your Award BIOS directly and add support, it is doable. I think you will not get as broad support of features as XT IDE, but you should be able to get to 137GB size. Another Czech guy is developing project around Award BIOS customization for several years:

Re: [Freedos-user] PCI SATA adapters with DOS

2021-06-23 Thread Eric Auer
Hi! I am not sure if we have understoood Jon's question correctly. Does he need any changes for the BIOS at all? Maybe the issue is simply that MS DOS can only use the first 8 GB of your disk, with at most 2 GB per partition, because it is FAT16 CHS only? Many old BIOSes already work fine for

Re: [Freedos-user] PCI SATA adapters with DOS

2021-06-23 Thread Lukas Satin
Hi Eric, good question! From what I understand, he cannot boot SATA drive because BIOS does not see SATA driver during boot prompt due to add-on controller card. If not, then my answer was not correct. Lukas On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 8:07 PM Eric Auer wrote: > > Hi! > > I am not sure if we have

Re: [Freedos-user] PCI SATA adapters with DOS

2021-06-23 Thread Lukas Satin
*does not see SATA drive On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 9:21 PM Lukas Satin wrote: > Hi Eric, good question! From what I understand, he cannot boot SATA drive > because BIOS does not see SATA driver during boot prompt due to add-on > controller card. If not, then my answer was not correct. > > Lukas >

Re: [Freedos-user] PCI SATA adapters with DOS

2021-06-23 Thread Jon Brase
Hi! I am not sure if we have understoood Jon's question correctly. Not so much a question just as a review of what I was able to achieve with the plan of action Liam had suggested back in March and the constraints existing in my configuration. As I said, I have the most crucial bits of my

Re: [Freedos-user] PCI SATA adapters with DOS

2021-06-23 Thread Eric Auer
Hi! Really odd that MS DOS does not see the SATA, while FreeDOS apparently does? Maybe your SATA controller comes with an odd LBA-only BIOS? If your MS DOS is limited to 1.3 GB because of the IDE CHS geometry (which geometry is that, exactly?) then you should use the MS DOS of Win9x which

Re: [Freedos-user] PCI SATA adapters with DOS

2021-06-23 Thread Eric Auer
Hi! Odd that only BOOTING is limited to the first 1.3 GB on the IDE. I agree that running Windows for Workgroups (apart from safe mode, possibly without network) is hard to get working with FreeDOS. I guess you could try with EDR-DOS kernel to still have FAT32 and LBA. Or maybe with DPMIONE

Re: [Freedos-user] PCI SATA adapters with DOS

2021-06-23 Thread Jon Brase
On 6/23/21 3:24 PM, Eric Auer wrote: > > Hi! > > Really odd that MS DOS does not see the SATA, > while FreeDOS apparently does? Maybe your SATA > controller comes with an odd LBA-only BIOS? > > If your MS DOS is limited to 1.3 GB because > of the IDE CHS geometry (which geometry is > that,