Re: [Freedos-user] Re: Question
Is there a screen shot of FreeDos? I am new to programming but very interested in giving it a shot but a little timid about disabling my laptop. How do I find the necessary drivers?Eric Auer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Theresa, according to WWW, a Dell Lattitude 433c can have e.g.4 MB RAM, 170 MB harddisk, 486sx processor with 33 MHz.Some have as much as 20 MB RAM, 250 MB harddisk.You write that you run it with Win95 but have no OS disks for it.For Linux, even with a simple fvwm2 GUI, 16-20 MB RAM are not much,and things will often get slow because not enough RAM is free. Andharddisks below 1 GB size have pretty much reached the end of theirlifespan by now. After all, they are mechanical devices.If you know how to use DOS, then this laptop can run many classicgames and apps for you with FreeDOS. You could even install Windows 3.1on it, although only the standard mode will run in FreeDOS yet...Other useful GUIs (graphical user interfaces) are OpenGEM, SEAL andDesktop2. You should check their homepages which are linked fromhttp://www.freedos.org/freedos/links/GEM looks like that:http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/screenshots.htmlDesktop2:http://wwwisg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/~fritter/bdy-desktop.htmlSEAL:http://sealsystem.sourceforge.net/screenshots.phpCommon to all 3 systems is that you leave the nice user interfacewhile classic programs are running (i.e. they are not opened ina window, but full-screen). Only native (e.g. written for SEAL)programs run in windows. GEM is probably the system which has themost native programs. And, of course, Windows 3, but that one isnot freeware. By the way, Windows for Workgroups does NOT run inany USEFUL way under FreeDOS yet.If you want to go online with your laptop, and you canfind a suitable modem (or driver for internal modem, ifany), you should try Arachne. Will not be very fast on a486sx (especially as SXes do not even have a floatingpoint unit) but it can do www, ftp and email.If you prefer to get a fresh Win95 or Win98se for the laptop,those are usually around 2x or 4x USD respectively 2nd hand price,but even Win98se will be a bit much for that old hardware, andmight be a bit big for such a small harddisk.Eric---SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product GuideRead honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users.Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click___Freedos-user mailing listFreedos-user@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Question
FreeDos is legal, isn't it?Charlie Wilkes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Theresa Westbrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: So - What can I do with Freedos that I cannot currently do with my laptop? Here is one that was turned into a picture frame:http://freedos.rtin.bz/freedos/laptops/dell/lat433c/Windows 3.1 is about right for that type of computer. Some people just snag the files off another oldcomputer and copy them over, because it works. However, it robs the shareholders of MicrosoftCorporation by depriving an ebay vendor of a $10 sale,and that's why it is illegal.Charlie__ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ---SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product GuideRead honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users.Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click___Freedos-user mailing listFreedos-user@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] XMS Manager on '286 (FreeDOS not ONLY for old PC)
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:29:46 +0100, you wrote: Hi Aitor, Sorry for breaking in ... I disagree. FreeDOS is not suited for old machines, but suited for running DOS16/DOS32 code, as well as you can use WindowsXP to run your Win32 code and Linux to run your Linux code. Have you ever tried to run DOOM or HERETIC in a WinXP dosbox? In my testings it doesn't work (it gets too slow, it's not playable). So I can switch to FreeDOS to run this code. Oh thanks Aitor, you speak the exact words I want to say: FreeDOS is not ONLY for old PC's. FreeDOS aim is capable to run on old PC 'AND ALSO' new PC which have PCI and upcoming PCI-Express, and able to bring the old DOS program to the latest hardware. Furthermore, FreeDOS can run some standalone tools to rescue data, making backups (such as GHOST or USB hard disk copy) and even system diagnostic, RAM test ... etc. Thanks everyone who contribute to improve FreeDOS, and I keep up reading FreeDOS32 news, hoping to see a stronger DOS working environment. Rgds, Johnson. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Re: Question
I do not have a cd-rom, can the download fit on floppyEric Auer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Theresa, Is there a screen shot of FreeDos?DOS itself has very boring looks. But you can install e.g.OpenGEM, SEAL or Desktop2 on it, and then the it will look,of course, like OpenGEM, SEAL or Desktop2. All those need DOSas the operating system under the hood, and FreeDOS is a DOS.I made a quick screenshot anyway:http://www.coli.uni-sb.de/~eric/freedos-boot.pngWhat you see on this image is various messages from drivers, tellingyou that they loaded okay at boot time,a prompt whether I want some "lredir" driver to run, and finallythe classic "C:\" prompt which tells me that I can now type commands.If it feels familiar, fine. If not, then you will probably want toenter just a single command: Start the graphical user interface of yourchoice and stay in there, so you do not have to see the text screen...The screen shot was taken inside DOSEMU, which is a virtual PC (runningin a window in Linux in this case) in which I have installed FreeDOS.Without that, FreeDOS would just run full screen, not in a window. I am new to programming but very interested in giving it a shot...You do not have to do "programming" to use DOS. But unless you use a GUI,everything in DOS is controlled by the keyboard, not the mouse. but a little timid about disabling my laptop.If you install FreeDOS from CD-ROM, it should automatically create aboot menu which allows you to select between Win95 and FreeDOS eachtime when you start the laptop (I assume that your Win95 is still workingokay, otherwise there would of course be no Win95 menu entry needed). How do I find the necessary drivers?You do not need drivers for keyboard and display, and the default mousedriver of FreeDOS works with many common mou se types. You do not needdrivers for harddisk or diskette either. For everything else, you wouldhave to tell us what hardware exactly you have, then we can tell youwhich drivers we can recommend. Some people just snag the files off another old computer and copy them over, because it works. However, it robs the shareholders of Microsoft Corporation by depriving an ebay vendor of a $10 sale, and that's why it is illegal. FreeDos is legal, isn't it?FreeDOS is completely free and legal, written by volunteers all overthe world. Even some of the GUIs are completely free and legal, whileothers are not free. The above should tell you that many people do notgive a damn about copying MS Windows or MS Office from their neighbours,but it is certainly illegal. There are various legal alternatives:Use OpenOffice.org, which is free and legal, pay 100s of bucks for aleg al copy of MS Office, or buy it bundled with a new PC, in which caseit costs only a fraction of the normal price. Exactly the same happensfor Windows: As an alternative, you can use Linux, BeOS Zeta, FreeBSD orany other free operating system (including FreeDOS), but you can alsobuy it for quite some money, or buy it bundled with a new PC or at least"piece of hardware". The bundled price for WinXP Home is around 100 Eurosas far as I remember.In either case, WinXP and MS Office are far too "heavy" for your veryold laptop. So you can only use it with Win95 or at most Win98se. InGermany, it is legal to sell 2nd hand copies of any Windows version,as long as you REALLY sell it (give everything to the one who buys it,and delete everything on your own PC: You must MOVE it to the new owner,not COPY it...), but in other countries, it can happen that a Windowslicense is glued to a human being or PC forever, even if the PC fallsapart i nto a pile of rusty dust. Anyway. You can buy 2nd hand copies ofWin95 for 20something and of Win98se for 40something $$. You wrote thatyour laptop already has Win95 installed anyway. If you have a legal copy,e.g. have the license certificate around, then you can probably ask MS tosend you a new CD-ROM if you have lost the original one. And, at least mypersonal feeling tells me this, nobody would complain if you use the CD-ROM of Win95 of somebody else to install drivers on the Win95 which youalready legally own, even if you no longer have the original CD-ROM.I hope that answers some of your questions.Eric.PS: Please do make sure that you configure your EMail program to sendmail only as plain text. At the moment, you use HTML, which is pretty"unstylish" for mailing lists / not nice and easy to read.---SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users.Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click___Freedos-user mailing listFreedos-user@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Re: Question
There is an ODIN (one disk INstall) available on the website, so yes. It's going to be minimalist, but the download to install freedos does not fit on floppies yet. And I don't know if there will be a floppy install set... - Original Message - From: Theresa Westbrook To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 10:17 Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Re: Question I do not have a cd-rom, can the download fit on floppyEric Auer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Theresa, Is there a screen shot of FreeDos?DOS itself has very boring looks. But you can install e.g.OpenGEM, SEAL or Desktop2 on it, and then the it will look,of course, like OpenGEM, SEAL or Desktop2. All those need DOSas the operating system under the hood, and FreeDOS is a DOS.I made a quick screenshot anyway:http://www.coli.uni-sb.de/~eric/freedos-boot.pngWhat you see on this image is various messages from drivers, tellingyou that they loaded okay at boot time,a prompt whether I want some "lredir" driver to run, and finallythe classic "C:\" prompt which tells me that I can now type commands.If it feels familiar, fine. If not, then you will probably want toenter just a single command: Start the graphical user interface of yourchoice and stay in there, so you do not have to see the text screen...The screen shot was taken inside DOSEMU, which is a virtual PC (runningin a window in Linux in this case) in which I have installed FreeDOS.Without that, FreeDOS would just run full screen, not in a window. I am new to programming but very interested in giving it a shot...You do not have to do "programming" to use DOS. But unless you use a GUI,everything in DOS is controlled by the keyboard, not the mouse. but a little timid about disabling my laptop.If you install FreeDOS from CD-ROM, it should automatically create aboot menu which allows you to select between Win95 and FreeDOS eachtime when you start the laptop (I assume that your Win95 is still workingokay, otherwise there would of course be no Win95 menu entry needed). How do I find the necessary drivers?You do not need drivers for keyboard and display, and the default mousedriver of FreeDOS works with many common mou se types. You do not needdrivers for harddisk or diskette either. For everything else, you wouldhave to tell us what hardware exactly you have, then we can tell youwhich drivers we can recommend. Some people just snag the files off another old computer and copy them over, because it works. However, it robs the shareholders of Microsoft Corporation by depriving an ebay vendor of a $10 sale, and that's why it is illegal. FreeDos is legal, isn't it?FreeDOS is completely free and legal, written by volunteers all overthe world. Even some of the GUIs are completely free and legal, whileothers are not free. The above should tell you that many people do notgive a damn about copying MS Windows or MS Office from their neighbours,but it is certainly illegal. There are various legal alternatives:Use OpenOffice.org, which is free and legal, pay 100s of bucks for aleg al copy of MS Office, or buy it bundled with a new PC, in which caseit costs only a fraction of the normal price. Exactly the same happensfor Windows: As an alternative, you can use Linux, BeOS Zeta, FreeBSD orany other free operating system (including FreeDOS), but you can alsobuy it for quite some money, or buy it bundled with a new PC or at least"piece of hardware". The bundled price for WinXP Home is around 100 Eurosas far as I remember.In either case, WinXP and MS Office are far too "heavy" for your veryold laptop. So you can only use it with Win95 or at most Win98se. InGermany, it is legal to sell 2nd hand copies of any Windows version,as long as you REALLY sell it (give everything to the one who buys it,and delete everything on your own PC: You must MOVE it to the new owner,not COPY it...), but in other countries, it can happen that a Windowslicense is glued to a human being or PC forever, even if the PC fallsapart i nto a pile of rusty dust. Anyway. You can buy 2nd hand copies ofWin95 for 20something and of Win98se for 40something $$. You wrote thatyour laptop already has Win95 installed anyway. If you have a legal copy,e.g. have the license certificate around, then you can probably ask MS tosend you a new CD-ROM if you have lost the original one. And, at least mypersonal feeling tells me this, nobody would complain if you use the CD-ROM of Win95 of somebody else to install drivers on the Win95 which youalready legally own, even if you no longer have the original CD-ROM.I hope that answers some of your questions.Eric.PS: Please do make sure that you configure
[Freedos-user] Re: Question
Theresa, PLEASE configure your mail program to use ONLY TEXT, NO HTML... In addition, if you write only ONE line of an answer, do NOT quote the ENTIRE mail in your reply. Thanks. Now about Nicholas' comment: There is an ODIN (one disk INstall) available on the website, so yes. = It's going to be minimalist, but the download to install freedos does = not fit on floppies yet. And I don't know if there will be a floppy = install set... You CAN install FreeDOS with diskettes, as clearly explained on the download page. If you do not want to install the source codes, you only need THREE diskettes for that: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/beta9sr1/disksets/1440KB/ You need b9base01 and b9base02 with the actual data files (base02 might be called diskette 5-8 by the installer, as it counts in 360k units) and also b9boot01 to boot the computer and start the install process. You should select monochrome / text mode installation, as the SVGA nice- graphical-eye-candy installation only works on newer computers. Eric PS: http://www.freedos.org/freedos/files/ mentions some fdos1440 diskette. That one is meant ONLY to start the install process, usually by accessing the CD-ROM or the copied contents of the CD-ROM. Useful if you cannot boot from CD-ROM or cannot connect CD-ROM and diskette drive at the same time. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] XMS Manager on '286 (FreeDOS not ONLY for old PC)
Johnson Lam wrote: On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:29:46 +0100, you wrote: Hi Aitor, Sorry for breaking in ... I disagree. FreeDOS is not "suited for old machines", but "suited for running DOS16/DOS32 code", as well as you can use WindowsXP to run your Win32 code and Linux to run your Linux code. Have you ever tried to run DOOM or HERETIC in a WinXP dosbox? In my testings it doesn't work (it gets too slow, it's not playable). So I can switch to FreeDOS to run this code. Oh thanks Aitor, you speak the exact words I want to say: FreeDOS is not ONLY for old PC's. FreeDOS aim is capable to run on old PC 'AND ALSO' new PC which have PCI and upcoming PCI-Express, and able to bring the old DOS program to the latest hardware. Furthermore, FreeDOS can run some standalone tools to rescue data, making backups (such as GHOST or USB hard disk copy) and even system diagnostic, RAM test ... etc. Thanks everyone who contribute to improve FreeDOS, and I keep up reading FreeDOS32 news, hoping to see a stronger DOS working environment. Rgds, Johnson. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user I think some people misunderstood what I originally said about FD and old PC's. I didn't say ONLY, i just meant in addition to providing a true DOS O/S for your current computer, FD is is "ideal" for really old PC's because besides DOS there is not much else you can do with it! For example, I have a 12Mhz 286 that would be completely useless if I didn't have FreeDOS. But I am learning how to program, and an old PC+(Free)DOS is perfect for that, especially assembly language. Finding a legit. version of MS-DOS these days is like finding an honest politician, but thanks to FD you can even study some of the source code to help you learn how to program, not to mention all the added functionality of FD. The reason I like using such a slow PC is that you can actually see the difference in performance between good code and sloppy code. On a more modern machine than my 286, a routine written in interpreted QBasic would appear to run no slower than my highly optimized assembler routine!
RES: [Freedos-user] Re: Question
Hello there strangers, The wiki site for Fd-doc is almost ready and I though it would be nice to have your opinions, comments and help, before it goes public. So here is the address: http://fd-doc.sourceforge.net/pmwiki.php Spread the word. :) Carlos --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] FD-DOC wiki, was: Question
At 09:24 PM 3/15/2005 -0300, Carlos AB wrote: The wiki site for Fd-doc is almost ready and I though it would be nice to have your opinions, comments and help, before it goes public. So here is the address: http://fd-doc.sourceforge.net/pmwiki.php Spread the word. :) Improvement suggestion: In big bold letters, ask people to post bug reports to Bugzilla or the mail lists, direct e-mail if they must, but not in the wiki FAQ. I'm just now seeing 1-year-old bug reports people have stuck in the wiki. Individual bug reports are not wiki FAQ fodder. There is no formal mechanism to track new reports. Plus, asking developers to read not only the mail lists and Bugzilla, but to also regularly scan new wiki changes looking for bug reports is spreading the debug process too thin and too far. In fact, I would suggest that no individual debugging help be offered there, but rather a suggestion to go to, and help with, posting the bug to Bugzilla. Or directions on how to join the freedos-user mail list. Or a pointer to the FreeDOS contact list URL. (Yes, I know I can probably edit the wiki myself, but I've not used it previously and a policy-oriented change seems best left to those in charge of documentation decisions.) --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
