Re: [Freedos-user] HTGET for DOS?

2009-04-08 Thread Mateusz Viste
On Wednesday 08 April 2009 00:53 (CEST), Blair Campbell wrote:
 Maybe 1.05 is included in the watt-32 package.  I would check there.

That's also some of the first things I checked out - unfortunately I didn't 
found HTGET in Watt32 nor WatTCP.
Damn, I think that HTGET is cursed by some evil magic. Just came from nowhere 
and written by nobody :(

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Re: [Freedos-user] HTGET for DOS?

2009-04-08 Thread Mateusz Viste
On Wednesday 08 April 2009 08:21 (CEST), Mateusz Viste wrote:
 That's also some of the first things I checked out - unfortunately I didn't 
 found HTGET in Watt32 nor WatTCP.

Hey, you're right, Blair :-)
In the doubt, I double-checked Watt32, and I found both htget.exe and htget.c 
in there! It's just that it is not present in the source package of Watt32, 
and is nnot listed on the apps list of the Watt32 website, but it is included 
indeed int he binary Watt32 package, along with the main source-file.

My quest is over. Thank you!
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Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedosuser] FreeDOS localisation project

2009-04-08 Thread Roberto Mariottini
Hi,
some more Italian translations are available at my Italian FreeDOS page:

http://www.mariottini.net/freedos/english.html

In particular you can find the translations of DISKCOPY, MOVE, SORT and 
TREE.
In the next weeks I can look at the missing programs to translate them 
as well.

Can you indicate the version at the beginning of the EN file? It's 
easier for me to know what is changed between revisions, so what needs 
to be updated.

About Freecom: I suppose that CVS version 1.34 2004/12/01 21:20:46 is 
the same as SVN Revision 1067** 
http://freedos.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/freedos?view=revrevision=1067, 
am I right? How comes that the ES translation is more up-to date that 
the EN one?

Another note: in my page you can find the file setup-it.zip, that 
contains all the localized files for the FreeDOS Install program. The 
ones included in the FreeDOS 1.0 version were old and used the wrong 
codepage. I don't know if they are still useful, let me know.

Ciao


Mateusz Viste wrote:
 Hi all!

 It has been a long time that the poor translation management was bothering 
 me. There is no easy way to know what needs to be translated, and what is 
 already translated but not shipped with the package for whatever reason.

 I worked a moment today on a new project: The FreeDOS localisation project:

 http://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/fdlang/

 I think that such centralized translation point could greatly improve FreeDOS 
 translations, as people would know exactly what has to be translated, where 
 to check wheter any translations for a given program has been made, and where 
 to send any self-made translations.

 Don't hesitate to send me any translations you have, which aren't listed on 
 my website!

 Best regards,
 Mateusz Viste
   
 

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Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedosuser] FreeDOS localisation project

2009-04-08 Thread Mateusz Viste
On Wednesday 08 April 2009 15:17 (CEST), Roberto Mariottini wrote:
 In particular you can find the translations of DISKCOPY, MOVE, SORT and 
 TREE.

Cool, I grabed them just now :)

 Can you indicate the version at the beginning of the EN file? It's 
 easier for me to know what is changed between revisions, so what needs 
 to be updated.

It doesn't depend on me, but on the file's translator... Personally, I don't 
know which translation is made for which version, as the CAT/Kitten standard do 
not require any versionning information. I am simply comparing how much 
messages there are in file A and file B (assuming that the one which has more 
is the most up to date).

 About Freecom: I suppose that CVS version 1.34 2004/12/01 21:20:46 is 
 the same as SVN Revision 1067** 

No idea.

 How comes that the ES translation is more up-to date that 
 the EN one?

As said previously - I am only comparing number of messages in the file (these 
numbers are also written in the source page of my website...).
spanish.lng has 254 translated strings, while english.lng has only 182...

 I don't know if they are still useful, let me know.

I don't know either. I is a question which you should send to the 
freedos-installer guy (whoever it is, dunno if there are somebody working on 
the 1.1 installer at all...)

see you!
Mateusz Viste


 Mateusz Viste wrote:
  Hi all!
 
  It has been a long time that the poor translation management was 
  bothering me. There is no easy way to know what needs to be translated, and 
  what is already translated but not shipped with the package for whatever 
  reason.
 
  I worked a moment today on a new project: The FreeDOS localisation project:
 
  http://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/fdlang/
 
  I think that such centralized translation point could greatly improve 
  FreeDOS translations, as people would know exactly what has to be 
  translated, where to check wheter any translations for a given program has 
  been made, and where to send any self-made translations.
 
  Don't hesitate to send me any translations you have, which aren't listed on 
  my website!
 
  Best regards,
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Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedosuser] FreeDOS localisation project

2009-04-08 Thread usul
Does freedos/fat/dos store the files date and time information properly.
Perhaps we could go by newer file instead of messages. The newer
version of something may have less after some cleanup.



On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste-family.net wrote:
 On Wednesday 08 April 2009 15:17 (CEST), Roberto Mariottini wrote:
 In particular you can find the translations of DISKCOPY, MOVE, SORT and
 TREE.

 Cool, I grabed them just now :)

 Can you indicate the version at the beginning of the EN file? It's
 easier for me to know what is changed between revisions, so what needs
 to be updated.

 It doesn't depend on me, but on the file's translator... Personally, I don't 
 know which translation is made for which version, as the CAT/Kitten standard 
 do not require any versionning information. I am simply comparing how much 
 messages there are in file A and file B (assuming that the one which has more 
 is the most up to date).

 About Freecom: I suppose that CVS version 1.34 2004/12/01 21:20:46 is
 the same as SVN Revision 1067**

 No idea.

 How comes that the ES translation is more up-to date that
 the EN one?

 As said previously - I am only comparing number of messages in the file 
 (these numbers are also written in the source page of my website...).
 spanish.lng has 254 translated strings, while english.lng has only 182...

 I don't know if they are still useful, let me know.

 I don't know either. I is a question which you should send to the 
 freedos-installer guy (whoever it is, dunno if there are somebody working on 
 the 1.1 installer at all...)

 see you!
 Mateusz Viste


 Mateusz Viste wrote:
  Hi all!
 
  It has been a long time that the poor translation management was 
  bothering me. There is no easy way to know what needs to be translated, 
  and what is already translated but not shipped with the package for 
  whatever reason.
 
  I worked a moment today on a new project: The FreeDOS localisation project:
 
  http://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/fdlang/
 
  I think that such centralized translation point could greatly improve 
  FreeDOS translations, as people would know exactly what has to be 
  translated, where to check wheter any translations for a given program has 
  been made, and where to send any self-made translations.
 
  Don't hesitate to send me any translations you have, which aren't listed 
  on my website!
 
  Best regards,
  Mateusz Viste
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Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedosuser] FreeDOS localisation project

2009-04-08 Thread Mateusz Viste
On Wednesday 08 April 2009 19:59 (CEST), usul wrote:
 Does freedos/fat/dos store the files date and time information properly.
 Perhaps we could go by newer file instead of messages. 

Definitely a bad idea. Download any translation file from my website. What 
timestamps do you get? Hint: HTTP doesn't provide that information along with 
transmitted data... Not in a reliable way at least.

 The newer 
 version of something may have less after some cleanup.

Right, but if you ask me, I would say that old messages should stay anyway, 
even if not used in newer version of the software. That way the translation 
file is still compatible with previous versions of the program.

Best regards,
Mateusz Viste


 On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste-family.net 
 wrote:
  On Wednesday 08 April 2009 15:17 (CEST), Roberto Mariottini wrote:
  In particular you can find the translations of DISKCOPY, MOVE, SORT and
  TREE.
 
  Cool, I grabed them just now :)
 
  Can you indicate the version at the beginning of the EN file? It's
  easier for me to know what is changed between revisions, so what needs
  to be updated.
 
  It doesn't depend on me, but on the file's translator... Personally, I 
  don't know which translation is made for which version, as the CAT/Kitten 
  standard do not require any versionning information. I am simply comparing 
  how much messages there are in file A and file B (assuming that the one 
  which has more is the most up to date).
 
  About Freecom: I suppose that CVS version 1.34 2004/12/01 21:20:46 is
  the same as SVN Revision 1067**
 
  No idea.
 
  How comes that the ES translation is more up-to date that
  the EN one?
 
  As said previously - I am only comparing number of messages in the file 
  (these numbers are also written in the source page of my website...).
  spanish.lng has 254 translated strings, while english.lng has only 182...
 
  I don't know if they are still useful, let me know.
 
  I don't know either. I is a question which you should send to the 
  freedos-installer guy (whoever it is, dunno if there are somebody working 
  on the 1.1 installer at all...)
 
  see you!
  Mateusz Viste
 
 
  Mateusz Viste wrote:
   Hi all!
  
   It has been a long time that the poor translation management was 
   bothering me. There is no easy way to know what needs to be translated, 
   and what is already translated but not shipped with the package for 
   whatever reason.
  
   I worked a moment today on a new project: The FreeDOS localisation 
   project:
  
   http://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/fdlang/
  
   I think that such centralized translation point could greatly improve 
   FreeDOS translations, as people would know exactly what has to be 
   translated, where to check wheter any translations for a given program 
   has been made, and where to send any self-made translations.
  
   Don't hesitate to send me any translations you have, which aren't listed 
   on my website!
  
   Best regards,
   Mateusz Viste
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[Freedos-user] WAS Re: [Freedosuser] FreeDOS localisation project = 2038 issue?

2009-04-08 Thread Geraldo Netto
Hi,

talking about date

what will happen to freedos(kernel stuff?) at 2038?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem


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2009/4/8 Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de:

 Hi!

 Does freedos/fat/dos store the files date and time information properly.
 Perhaps we could go by newer file instead of messages.

 Definitely a bad idea. Download any translation file from my website.
 What timestamps do you get? Hint: HTTP doesn't provide that information
 along with transmitted data... Not in a reliable way at least.

 You could either package the files into zips to make sure their
 timestamps are set by unzip or you could fix your web server ;-)

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Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-08 Thread Eric Auer

Hi,

as long as core / tool programs are in some directory in PATH,
things will be fine. For other apps, people can add a batch
into one of the directories in PATH or they can use ALIAS or
just chdir to the place to run stuff :-). Of course PATH can
differ between different DOSes and different people who make
different decisions on where to install DOS, but it always
points to a place where you can find at least the basic DOS.

Eric

 Utilities too late the party?
 
 Because I think the utilities and freedos core  should be separated.
 
 Here is one reason why.
 
 Say I am working on a program that I want to be dos compatible.
 any Dos and not just free dos, or I need to test the compatibility.
 
 C:\FDOS
 C:\MSDOS
 etc
 and this could be done with a simple batch menu.
 
 But I may want to use things that are in the freedos bin direcory but since
 they are mixed in with the standard freedos applications I have to manual
 type in the whole path to use them because the aren't separated.
 
 as for package determination, yes its an extra step but I think its
 the right one
 to make. is this core or not not too hard of a question. :)
 
 if everything executable in mixed together it becomes difficult to manage.
 I know it more work but sometimes more work is required.


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Re: [Freedos-user] WAS Re: [Freedosuser] FreeDOS localisation project = 2038 issue?

2009-04-08 Thread Eric Auer

Hi Geraldo,

 talking about date
 what will happen to freedos(kernel stuff?) at 2038?
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem

DOS has another date handling scheme, it counts 128
years starting at 1980, so we have enough time :-).

But note that many DOS programs also decide to use
other methods of counting, including 2 digit year
or of course such schemes which involve year 2038.

FreeDOS already does contain a workaround for BIOS
year 2000 issues when they are obvious (in the get
time at boot routine) but it does not take a big
effort to catch all / obscure year 2000 bugs here.

Eric

PS: RBIL says that year must be  2100, I guess this
means that MS DOS did not implement leap years fully.


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Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-08 Thread Eric Auer

Hi!

 It appears that any binary package installed on FreeDOS goes to /BIN.

Almost. Packages which need many files in the same BINish
directory have separate directories. This includes for
example Arachne, DOG, Emacs, Network and USB driver bags,
FBC, GhostScript, the 1.0 game collection, FDSMTPOP, LYNX,
OpenXP, PacificC, Pegasus Mail, SETEDIT with plugins and
maybe other packages in FreeDOS 1.0 ... Note that some of
the packages have few enough files to move them to the main
BIN directory while others got replaced etc etc :-).

 Besides that, there's no clear directive about how to install 3rd
party apps.
 
 I would propose the following rules:
 - Any DOS replacement stuff (move, tree, format...) goes to \BIN\
 - Any system enhacement (grep, ls, pcisleep, cwsdpmi, fdupdate...) goes to 
 \SBIN\

You can do that but should not overdo it. For example the 2.88 MB
one disk variant of the Rugxulo distro has: utils, system, media,
games, fdos and docs as main category directories. For a normal
FreeDOS CD / DVD / USB / harddisk distro, I think the structure
of FreeDOS 1.0 is better than the structure of Rugxulo 2.88, though.

 - Any 3rd party program (SEAL, Arachne, FreeBASIC, MPXPLAY...) goes to 
 $apps\programs\
 - Any 3rd party game (Doom...) goes to $apps\games\

See above - but APPS is just the same as DOSDIR in FreeDOS 1.0 :-)

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Re: [Freedos-user] What about changing our packaging style for v1.1?

2009-04-08 Thread Eric Auer

Hi Jim :-))

 On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Mateusz Viste wrote:
 Hi people!

 So far, we have always used packaging sources and binaries differently (that 
 is, in separate packages, like memx.zip and mems.zip). I am trying to put 
 some effort these days into syncing some packages to make them ready for 
 v1.1, and I have to tell that handling sources and binaries in different 
 ways is a big pain.
 Besides that, the source package doesn't contain its own LSM file, which 
 makes its hard (or at least unreliable) to keep track of what source is 
 installed in what version.

 Therefore, I am proposing to drop the sources / binaries way of thinking, 
 and stay with one package per program. For example, a mem.zip package 
 would contain both sources and binaries. It would allow me to work much 
 faster on packaging, and hopefully could lead to a v1.1 sooner.

 Some reasons to do that (quotes from Eric):
 - it is easy to delete /source/mem/* to keep only binaries,
 - it is not really allowed with GNU GPL License to publish binaries without 
 sources anyway,
 - it can be hard for people to find exactly the right version of the sources 
 manually later, so it is best to include them,
 - it makes life easier for installing and you can always drop the sources 
 after installing.

 Please tell me what are your opinions in that matter.

Jim Hall wrote:
 These days, hard drives have lots of capacity. While including the
 sources would add to the size, we're talking on the order of MB, not
 GB.
 
 Including the source and binaries together certainly provides that
 every program in the FreeDOS 1.1 distro also includes the source
 code.
 
 I am a big fan of this.

Thanks :-) I think it will make packaging easier... On the other
hand, I would suggest two things: A binary-only install mode in
FDPKG / FDUPDATE / installer which simply skips the source/NAME
dir while unzipping (or deletes it afterwards) and a binary-only
ISO for people with slow internet, as generated by dropping the
source directories inside the package zip files.  In short:  Let
us COLLECT all packages as FULL packages (binary AND source) for
most purposes and use AUTOMATED ways to shrink full into binary
for people with small disk or small internet :-).

 Can you put this in the FreeDOS Wiki, so people don't have to revisit
 this topic again in a year after we've forgotten? :-)

Sounds useful - if anybody needs a wiki login, let me know ;-)

Eric



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Re: [Freedos-user] patents - was: LFN in FreeDOS kernel? - was: aimed compatibility?

2009-04-08 Thread Eric Auer

Hi Aitor,

 But then it wouldn't be compatible with the LFN that came with
 Windows9X and is used in the millions of USB devices or the like, nor
 with the applications that are LFN-aware (unless you'd like to rewrite
 the DOS LFN API descript.ion-based...

...
 I think a descript.ion file based driver to support
 long file names would be a fine idea indeed :-).
 And it would avoid the ugly kludgy way in which MS
 stores LFN spread over multiple directory entries.

Well actually that is what I meant - descript.ion is a classic
for some shells and file managers, but it is also a nice way to
store long file names in filesystem independent way and without
having to implement any kludgy patented VFAT style LFN storage.

With a driver showing the usual int 21 LFN interface to the apps
but using descript.ion instead of LFN fragment direntry chains
for the actual LFN storage, we can have more free, more open and
more portable long file names :-). On the down side, the driver
will not read or write VFAT LFNs for you, so if you want to let
Windows and DOS access the same drive, you would not share LFNs.

This includes USB drives and MP3 player devices and similar, but
not for example CD / DVD which use non-VFAT LFNs anyway for which
DOS uses separate drivers anyway...

In short: If you want VFAT then the only way to get it is to use
VFAT, but that might have licensing issues if you use DOS in your
embedded device. If you only want LFN, you can get it even in a
way that makes LFN DOS apps happy without having to touch VFAT
data structures, using a descript.ion based LFN API driver :-).

Eric



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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 status???

2009-04-08 Thread Eric Auer

Hi!

FreeDOS has been using info-zip as the ZIP and UNZIP tool
ever since I can remember. And it works very nicely, so
I do not miss PKZIP either. If somebody really does miss
it, a wrapper to translate PKZIP OPTIONX into a call to
ZIP OPTIONY might be an idea, but as said, I do not think
anybody would miss PKZIP when he has INFO ZIP :-).

Alain M. wrote:
 King InuYasha escreveu:
 I believe Info-ZIP has a suitable replacement for PKware's DOS pkzip and 
 pkunzip (ftp://ftp.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/msdos/).
 
 Yes, it is compatible, just has a different command line (more unix 
 like). I made the switch many years ago :)
 
 Definnetly ZIP and UNZIP should be included with FreeDOS, in the 16bit 
 versions. The 16bit UNZIP can handle any size zip file, so it is 
 perfectly ok, only ZIP needs to be 32 bit for very big archives.
 
 What could be interesting is to distribute a copy od UNARJ and UNRAR 
 with FreeDOS. Both are 100% free.


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Re: [Freedos-user] Menu Programs

2009-04-08 Thread Tim Bruce - Sourceforge

On Wed, April 8, 2009 14:56, Adam Norton wrote:
 Speaking about match menus

 I remember a menu program that I used way back in the day
 I was able to build a menu and each item could be a sub menu or a
 program or bat file.
 It was basic but simple.

 Anyone remember the menus from way back when, I prob recognize the name
 if I saw it. :)

 bmenu maybe idk

 usul


The one menuing system I saw that fits with what you describe is AutoMenu.

I probably still have a copy of it floating around.  Unfortunately, I
think it was shareware, not GPL.

Tim
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[Freedos-user] Compressed folders?

2009-04-08 Thread Michael Horvath
Is there a way to compress folders so they take up less space? Ideally, 
I would like to be able to compress into a zip file, and still have the 
OS treat it as a regular folder. As long as other OSs can view/access 
the folder and its files, then any type of compression is OK.

Thanks.

-Mike

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