[Freedos-user] Add folder and files to ISO image
hi users, I need to run a .exe app (to upgrade firmware) when FreeDos is booted. I edited the fdfullcd.iso image with IsoMaster, added my folder and files (not in root directory), rebuilded the FreeDos ISO and remastered on CD. On the boot FreeDos starts fine, but i can't see my folder and my files! Why? where I wrong ? Regards. -- Xperia(TM) PLAY It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming smartphone on the nation's most reliable network. And it wants your games. http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Add folder and files to ISO image
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 9:29 AM, spacemarc spacem...@gmail.com wrote: hi users, I need to run a .exe app (to upgrade firmware) when FreeDos is booted. I edited the fdfullcd.iso image with IsoMaster, added my folder and files (not in root directory), rebuilded the FreeDos ISO and remastered on CD. On the boot FreeDos starts fine, but i can't see my folder and my files! Linux solution: Get the Balder floppy image of FreeDOS: mount -t vfat -o loop balder10.img superfloppy Add the BIOS imagewriter and the BIOS image in the superfloppy folder umount superfloppy mkisofs -o superfloppy.iso -b balder10.img balder10.img Burn the iso. Mike Why? where I wrong ? Regards. -- Xperia(TM) PLAY It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming smartphone on the nation's most reliable network. And it wants your games. http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Large drives with 4k sectors presenting as 512b?
2011/4/11, Michael B. Brutman mbbrut...@brutman.com: Do you like cheap storage or 512 byte sectors? Depends. You know: the storage itself may be somewhat cheaper - but because of its incompatibility, it can force me to replace part of my hardware, or to spend a lot of time for additional work of (re)configuration/installation (looking for special drivers, reading its docs, trying it, sending bugreports...) and so on. I think we can live with the 4KB sectors - it's going to cause a performance hit, Maybe, but there's simple solution within reach: making only that very large HDD (over 3 TB) with 4 KB sectors - and the smaller ones still with 512 byte sectors. The largest HDD I'm using has 320 GB, and that area is divided among 3 different OS-es, so - in fact - one can say, that I'm using HDDs not larger, than 100 GB, and it's large enought for me. For FreeDOS I'm using 2 GB partitions on even smaller disks (40 GB), just to _not_ waste space because of big clusters. So although I realize, that the others may have different needs (keeping movies on HDD, for example) - there are people, who aren't looking for tera-/petabyte-sized storage. No idea, when will I (and why..) need 2 TB HDD. So if the vendors could be kind enough to keep 2 TB (and smaller) HDDs with sectors of 512 b size, it can be seen as kind of solution for many next years. but on modern hardware we have enough to burn. Wasting anything just because we can afford it is generally a bad idea. -- regards, Zbigniew -- Xperia(TM) PLAY It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming smartphone on the nation's most reliable network. And it wants your games. http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Large drives with 4k sectors presenting as 512b?
2011/4/11, Michael B. Brutman mbbrut...@brutman.com: Oh, I forgot to address this one: Most of us like this progress. While I do enjoy tinkering with my old hardware, it's not usable for things that most people need to do today. No, you're wrong; it's not usable for bloated software of today, not for the things that most people do: #v+ Check out the results! For the functions that people use most often, the 1986 vintage Mac Plus beats the 2007 AMD Athlon 64 X2 4800+: 9 tests to 8! Out of the 17 tests, the antique Mac won 53% of the time! Including a jaw-dropping 52 second whipping of the AMD from the time the Power button is pushed to the time the Desktop is up and useable. [..] ...it can be stated that for the majority of simple office uses, the massive advances in technology in the past two decades have brought zero advance in productivity. #v- http://tinyurl.com/2hxfjd -- regards, Zbigniew -- Xperia(TM) PLAY It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming smartphone on the nation's most reliable network. And it wants your games. http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How to install kernel XXXX?
In order to rhyme with FreeDos, I would want like ISO Editor free, of course ;) Thanks you :) On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 12:03, escape esc...@front.ru wrote: In fact there is appinfo directory with fdkernel.lsm packaged within those zips. So, I believe, there is a way to actually install it with fdupdate. But as for me, it is much more straightforward to just unzip\overwrite. As for ISO editor it depends on OS you're using. For building ISOs in DOS you can use mkisofs from cdrtools. For Linux there is AcetoneISO and ISO Master. For Windows there is tons of ISO editing soft, from crappy ones to power-tools like UltraISO or MagicISO. While most of it will cost you some money, there is still few freeware ones, most notable: AVS Disc Creator (http://www.avs4you.com/avs-disc-creator.aspx), Visual-ISO (http://dpaehl.dd6338.kasserver.com/cdr/visualiso.php) and of course CDmage (http://cdmage.orconhosting.net.nz/frames.html) On 08.04.11 18:25, STF wrote: OK, thanks. I see, so install the kernel is just actually simply replace the kernel.sys file. He could have said this in simple words. I'm just using the official live CD provided in the website. What ISO editor do you advise? TIA On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 20:50, escape esc...@front.ru wrote: Hello Unfortunately links on official FreeDOS site are broken. But you still can download from ibiblio. You can find all available kernels at http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/kernel/ . Direct links for 2038 is http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/kernel/2038/kernel2038-fat16-binary.zip or http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/kernel/2038/kernel2038-fat32-binary.zip . After downloading unzip the archive and copy just unzipped kernel.sys to the root directory of C: (or corresponding letter of your system partition) overwriting old one. -- Xperia(TM) PLAY It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming smartphone on the nation's most reliable network. And it wants your games. http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Xperia(TM) PLAY It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming smartphone on the nation's most reliable network. And it wants your games. http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Xperia(TM) PLAY It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming smartphone on the nation's most reliable network. And it wants your games. http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Large drives with 4k sectors presenting as 512b?
One estimate for 4K sector technology puts this at 100 bytes of ECC data needed for a 4K sector, versus 320 (40x8) for 8 512B sectors. Yes, that's about 5% (5,37% to be exact) you'll gain from 4k sectors. Perhaps a bit more than 5% due to fewer inter-sector gaps. Since they are kept small by hard-disk makers, my guess [only a guess] is that the gain in disk capacity from 4K sectors is around 10% at best. So I agree with Escape -- The question Is 2,1Tb [or by my guess 2,2-TB] so more capacious than 2,0Tb that we want to break compatibility? Nonetheless, I plan to at-least investigate buying a spare hard-disk. The PC industry always works from an All we want is MONEY!! rule, and that says only NEW-equipment sales and availability! I sense a HIGH probability that 512-byte sector hard-disks shall soon VANISH, just as QUICKLY as diskette drives, AGP cards, etc. have done! -- Xperia(TM) PLAY It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming smartphone on the nation's most reliable network. And it wants your games. http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Large drives with 4k sectors presenting as 512b?
On 4/10/2011 11:35 PM, Jack wrote: Also, I do not know you and you do not know me, so WHO ARE YOU to assume I am irritated or in a bad mood?!! Are you in fact a COMMUNIST?? I seem to recall THEY used to operate via trying to beat-DOWN opposition with such unqualified INSULTS as you have thrown at me!! So are we now to think of you that way?? Learn to address THE POINT of a thread, boy, and keep your damn personal INSULTS OUT of it!! My point in the thread is that YOU do not get to choose what is the appropriate rate of progress. Either stock up on spare parts, or move along. Disparaging everybody in the industry who has a different point of view is ranting. The second point that you fail to grasp is that it costs too much money to maintain backwards compatibility with outdated standards past a certain point. No factory is going to stay open churning out 56K modems, CRT monitors, ISA cards, and in this case 512 byte sector hard drives past a certain point. You can have your choice only if you are willing to pay out the nose to custom fabricate your own hardware for old standards! I never advocated burning cycles for sake of burning them. My point there is that if we're looking for function, the hardware will and the additional cost of software overhead to keep backwards compatibility will probably do what we need. Once again, it's not our choice - if/when 512 byte sectors go away we're going to have to insert extra software for compatibility purposes. Jack, I'll just ignore you from this point on .. you just seem to be very angry. The readers of the list can judge for themselves. Mike -- Xperia(TM) PLAY It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming smartphone on the nation's most reliable network. And it wants your games. http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Large drives with 4k sectors presenting as 512b?
... but on modern hardware we have enough to burn. Wasting anything just because we can afford it is generally a bad idea. With which I absolutely agree. But it seems only I wonder how much farther ahead Windows/Linux might be, if their kernels and drivers [as a MINIMUM!] HAD in fact been done in assembly code! Most of us like this progress. While I do enjoy tinkering with my old hardware, it's not usable for things that most people need to do today. No, you're wrong; it's not usable for bloated software of today, not for the things that most people do: #v+ Check out the results! For the functions that people use most often, the 1986 vintage Mac Plus beats the 2007 AMD Athlon 64 X2 4800+: 9 tests to 8! Out of the 17 tests, the antique Mac won 53% of the time! ... Little surprise to me, after Lucho's 2008 comment that my own UIDE beat THEM, 2 months ago!, referring to Windows. And UIDE still doesn't use any interrupts, due to ancient Brand I chipsets that UIDE had to support, despite those chipsets' errata [i.e. BUGS]! ... It can be stated that for the majority of simple office uses, the massive advances in technology in the past two decades have brought zero advance in productivity. #v- With which I ALSO absolutely agree. Now, I have a 1-GB AMD 3000+ system, with a 120-MB hard-disk plus other relatively high speed items, in comparison to the 16K (yes, I said KILOBYTE!) mainframes I began on in 1966. GUESS what systems did far more USEFUL work! -- Xperia(TM) PLAY It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming smartphone on the nation's most reliable network. And it wants your games. http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How to install kernel XXXX?
For the record: * CDmage seems dead: its websites are not working any more * I've tried AVSDiscCreator 5.0.2.516, but as soon as I open fdbasecd.iso, I got the The file system could not be extracted from the ISO-image. message * Visual-ISO ... well, I've tried but it doesn't seem to let me edit existing ISO images. So the sentence install kernel is easy to say, hard to achieve. Still waiting for answers... On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 12:03, escape esc...@front.ru wrote: In fact there is appinfo directory with fdkernel.lsm packaged within those zips. So, I believe, there is a way to actually install it with fdupdate. But as for me, it is much more straightforward to just unzip\overwrite. As for ISO editor it depends on OS you're using. For building ISOs in DOS you can use mkisofs from cdrtools. For Linux there is AcetoneISO and ISO Master. For Windows there is tons of ISO editing soft, from crappy ones to power-tools like UltraISO or MagicISO. While most of it will cost you some money, there is still few freeware ones, most notable: AVS Disc Creator (http://www.avs4you.com/avs-disc-creator.aspx), Visual-ISO (http://dpaehl.dd6338.kasserver.com/cdr/visualiso.php) and of course CDmage (http://cdmage.orconhosting.net.nz/frames.html) -- Xperia(TM) PLAY It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming smartphone on the nation's most reliable network. And it wants your games. http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Large drives with 4k sectors presenting as 512b?
My point in the thread is that YOU do not get to choose what is the appropriate rate of progress. Either stock up on spare parts, or move along. Disparaging everybody in the industry who has a different point of view is ranting. I do not call it progress when the PC industry flatly DENIES me the ability to keep using my current system, by making UNAVAILABLE spare parts of any sort for them. Now, thanks mainly to your comments, I am considering BOTH stocking up AND moving on, to something like an IPad. I disparage only those in this industry who DENY me such choice, in the name of their own PROFITS!! The second point that you fail to grasp is that it costs too much money to maintain backwards compatibility with outdated standards past a certain point ... Tell that to the automobile and other industries in this country, who have FAR more years' old stock than the profit-mongers making PCs!! I guess it never occurred to PC vendors that FORCING US to have a new system every 2 or 3 years [or sooner!] is costing them BUSINESS, i.e. all those people who have ABANDONED traditional PCs for IPads, etc.! I never advocated burning cycles for sake of burning them. My point there is that if we're looking for function, the hardware will and the additional cost of software overhead to keep backwards compatibility will probably do what we need. Once again, it's not our choice - if/when 512 byte sectors go away we're going to have to insert extra software for compatibility purposes. Might be simpler just to KEEP 512-byte sectors, as I am almost certain they could, IF their firmware-engineers were told to do so in new 4K sector disks. Might also save them a lot of LOST business, for I bet a 4K and ONLY 4K decision may cost them a lot of Windows/Linus users as well, not merely those of us who still use and like DOS. ... I'll just ignore you from this point on ... you just seem to be very angry. The readers of the list can judge for themselves. Not angry, only trying to make a POINT, that backward-compatibility is systematically AVOIDED in this industry, only to achieve more SALES! So shall I ignore you, for as one friend has already noted to me, you certainly seem to be propagandized by the PC industry, AND ONLY the PC industry, into believing only what THEY expect you should believe! -- Xperia(TM) PLAY It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming smartphone on the nation's most reliable network. And it wants your games. http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Large drives with 4k sectors presenting as 512b?
2011/4/11, Jack gykazequ...@earthlink.net: The second point that you fail to grasp is that it costs too much money to maintain backwards compatibility with outdated standards past a certain point ... Tell that to the automobile and other industries in this country [..] Maybe you don't realize, how much right you are: http://gun-engine.pl/ (click the flag to change language) -- regards, Zbigniew -- Xperia(TM) PLAY It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming smartphone on the nation's most reliable network. And it wants your games. http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Add folder and files to ISO image
2011/4/11 Mike Eriksen thinstation.m...@gmail.com: Linux solution: Get the Balder floppy image of FreeDOS: mount -t vfat -o loop balder10.img superfloppy Add the BIOS imagewriter and the BIOS image in the superfloppy folder umount superfloppy mkisofs -o superfloppy.iso -b balder10.img balder10.img Burn the iso. i've make those operations but launching my .exe on FreeDos prompt I obtain this FATAL error: Unable to load module int_ahci.wdl! Either there is insufficient memory to load this module or the module could not be found at all. Abort loading module A:\F3.exe. -- Xperia(TM) PLAY It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming smartphone on the nation's most reliable network. And it wants your games. http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Large drives with 4k sectors presenting as 512b?
You may already realize this but, at least for now, all HDDs on the market with 4k physical sector size still report and work with 512b sector sizes. Some also report extended attributes that let aware OSs know they have 4k physical sector sizes. Thus, they ARE backwards compatible, and the price for that is that if you aren't able to realize they are 4k underneath then you may get slower performance (5%-10%) on certain operations that needlessly cross physical sector boundaries. And yes, you can use multiple logical 512b sectors within the physical 4k sector for different files, so you aren't wasting space on files 4k. Out of curiosity, what are folks generating that would make lots of small files? 4k is only 512 one-byte characters. Add a little metadata and you've not got a lot of information to work with there that would keep you far enough under 4k to showing meaningful waste. My response to this post is 963 bytes worth of characters for example. On 4/11/11 6:44 AM, Jack wrote: Might be simpler just to KEEP 512-byte sectors, as I am almost certain they could, IF their firmware-engineers were told to do so in new 4K sector disks. Might also save them a lot of LOST business, for I bet a 4K and ONLY 4K decision may cost them a lot of Windows/Linus users as well, not merely those of us who still use and like DOS. -- Xperia(TM) PLAY It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming smartphone on the nation's most reliable network. And it wants your games. http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Large drives with 4k sectors presenting as 512b?
OK, I'm afraid I let this thread get out of hand. This is a passionate group. The fact of the matter is simple. Hardware does progress and we, the FreeDOS developers, have to accommodate new hardware. We may not do it as quickly as some like, but nonetheless, we do. There will come a time where certain hardware will no longer be supported. The simple fact of the matter is that the hardware may no longer be available to test on, or that supporting very old hardware interferes with supporting new hardware. When that happens, we will deal with it. Please try to continue this discussion in a manner that will result in a productive outcome. Pat Villani Project Coordinator -- Xperia(TM) PLAY It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming smartphone on the nation's most reliable network. And it wants your games. http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] a creative situation?
Hi Karen, you have MS DOS on your IBM Thinkpad 560 with 3c562 network card. You use SSH2DOS and plan to use any DOS web browser like Arachne, Lynx or similar. You need something which works with your screen reader software. Of course you could use Linux with Brltty which several mainstream distros support by default. For all browsers, it does not make a real difference whether you use MS DOS or use FreeDOS. However, FreeDOS has better support for modern hardware and is of course free software. Also, MS no longer supports DOS. As you use a network card, browsers like Arachne will only need a packet driver. They use libraries like WATTCP / WATT32 and do their own DHCP setup as far as I remember so no separate PPP/IP package should be necessary. I do not know about ebrowse. Some Linux text oriented browsers like w3m, links or elinks may be available in DOS ports. Would be nice to have somebody else say a few words about DOS text web browsers in this thread who has experience with them. Regards, Eric PS: Brltty can also drive speech software, no Braille necessary. -- Forrester Wave Report - Recovery time is now measured in hours and minutes not days. Key insights are discussed in the 2010 Forrester Wave Report as part of an in-depth evaluation of disaster recovery service providers. Forrester found the best-in-class provider in terms of services and vision. Read this report now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/ibm-webcastpromo ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] a creative situation?
I agree, someone who can speak to dos browsers please? most of the other programs I use, say for word processing, and the like do not run in Linux, otherwise I would not have asked my specific question. Again, the goal is to clear the permissions process one goes through when connecting via Ethernet or wireless to a public Internet setup. much of this post is not on point, but my original question is here I am sure. Karen On Mon, 11 Apr 2011, Eric Auer wrote: Hi Karen, you have MS DOS on your IBM Thinkpad 560 with 3c562 network card. You use SSH2DOS and plan to use any DOS web browser like Arachne, Lynx or similar. You need something which works with your screen reader software. Of course you could use Linux with Brltty which several mainstream distros support by default. For all browsers, it does not make a real difference whether you use MS DOS or use FreeDOS. However, FreeDOS has better support for modern hardware and is of course free software. Also, MS no longer supports DOS. As you use a network card, browsers like Arachne will only need a packet driver. They use libraries like WATTCP / WATT32 and do their own DHCP setup as far as I remember so no separate PPP/IP package should be necessary. I do not know about ebrowse. Some Linux text oriented browsers like w3m, links or elinks may be available in DOS ports. Would be nice to have somebody else say a few words about DOS text web browsers in this thread who has experience with them. Regards, Eric PS: Brltty can also drive speech software, no Braille necessary. -- Forrester Wave Report - Recovery time is now measured in hours and minutes not days. Key insights are discussed in the 2010 Forrester Wave Report as part of an in-depth evaluation of disaster recovery service providers. Forrester found the best-in-class provider in terms of services and vision. Read this report now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/ibm-webcastpromo ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Forrester Wave Report - Recovery time is now measured in hours and minutes not days. Key insights are discussed in the 2010 Forrester Wave Report as part of an in-depth evaluation of disaster recovery service providers. Forrester found the best-in-class provider in terms of services and vision. Read this report now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/ibm-webcastpromo ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Large drives with 4k sectors presenting as 512b?
Hi everybody, as Pat, I am surprised that this thread got so emotional. However, the topic itself is still very interesting, so I would like to add mixed comments (ignoring all irritated / communist questions). My mail is a bit long, but also tries to summarize what I want to say about this quickly growing thread. Unless you feel like you have to reply to all of it, maybe just reply to parts, or not ;-) As Scott wrote, disks with large hardware sectors typically still show 512 byte sectors to the BIOS. I would say that some cache and partition tuning (see FORMAT /A topic recently) can help with the performance loss due to the mismatch between large hardware sector size and small standard BIOS sector size. Even if the BIOS makers eventually drop the whole 512 byte based int 13 interface or drop BIOS and support only newer APIs, a DOS still only needs some sort of wrapper to keep working as long as CPU and VGA stay PC-similar. The reason to use large sectors are, as for example Jack wrote, in part to squeeze out more profit. Same for SATA and PCIe, those get same or even more speed with fewer wires as wires and pins cost. Having more data density - both with magnetic disks and flash - is a reason why people put more ECC for larger sectors and hope that errors are spread out enough to be able to fix 1 with the other. Having larger, more massive / error resistant bits on chips or platters is no real option but messing with errors compensation is of course playing a profit game on the back of the customer, too. The story of AHCI is a bit different - from what I hear, it is needlessly bloated even when you acknowledge that having NCQ to play with queues of concurrent data streams is neat for systems with a focus on multitasking, ie. most operating systems today. Luckily disk controllers still have a SATA / IDE compatibility mode but it can happen to us that this is dropped, like SB16 mode as soon as AC97 and HDA became sufficiently popular. They also had their pro (more channels) and used that to win even though they also have their cons (dumb audio / more CPU load). Or take USB versus parallel port, although I must say I am happy that we have USB sticks, webcams, scanners and printers now while of course parallel port or SCSI attached versions of those exist. Imagine you would need 5 parallel ports to plug all your gadgets. On the other hand, I suggest to buy PCI or PCIe parallel / serial port cards now, in case you later want those ports on a mainboard where somebody saved 50 cents by no longer putting those ports... They are still nice for all sorts of raw I/O without huge protocol stacks around them. Write a byte to an I/O port and 8 pins have it. It is interesting to read the specs of Jack's computer: Harddisk, CD/DVD, floppy, serial port 56k modem, no USB / FireWire, 17in CRT, single core AMD 3000, 120 MB disk. I would guess that this computer has PCI and would run great with a 5$ PCI RTL8139 network card with 100M speed tag even in DOS so I disagree about that point - ISA is very straightforward but PCI is also good, it has much more clean plug and play functionality compared to what people added to ISA. For the 120 MB disk, this must be very old by now? Or is it 120 GB? And yes I have heard about that MacPlus to 2007 Athlon64 comparison and it is sort of sad how software managed to waste all the extra speed while in the end you can just do the same, e.g. write texts. Finally about two other Zbigniew topics: You should not use 2 GB FAT16 partitions, those still have very large clusters. Better use FAT32 partitions of only a few GB at most if you want to have a system with small clusters. Of course the FAT might be bigger then. The www.colorforth.com/ide.html summary of how to access IDE disks was fun to read, although it seems that Forth is almost as obscure as ASM. Probably the reason why even BIOSes now contain Forth ;-) bsy 1f7 p@ 80 and if bsy ; then ; rdy 1f7 p@ 8 and if 1f0 a! 256 ; then rdy ; sector 1f3 a! swap p!+ /8 p!+ /8 p!+ /8 e0 or p!+ drop p!+ drop 4 * ; read 20 sector 256 for rdy insw next drop ; write bsy 30 sector 256 for rdy outsw next drop ; Regards, Eric -- Forrester Wave Report - Recovery time is now measured in hours and minutes not days. Key insights are discussed in the 2010 Forrester Wave Report as part of an in-depth evaluation of disaster recovery service providers. Forrester found the best-in-class provider in terms of services and vision. Read this report now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/ibm-webcastpromo ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Large drives with 4k sectors presenting as 512b?
2011/4/11, Eric Auer: Finally about two other Zbigniew topics: You should not use 2 GB FAT16 partitions, those still have very large clusters. Better use FAT32 partitions of only a few GB at most if you want to have a system with small clusters. Of course the FAT might be bigger then. Of course these are FAT32. I'm just saving space by keeping clusters small - and since the DOS programs aren't that space-demanding, like those for Windows, currently DOS partitions of 2 GB size suits my needs. -- regards, Zbigniew -- Forrester Wave Report - Recovery time is now measured in hours and minutes not days. Key insights are discussed in the 2010 Forrester Wave Report as part of an in-depth evaluation of disaster recovery service providers. Forrester found the best-in-class provider in terms of services and vision. Read this report now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/ibm-webcastpromo ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] FreeRTOS
Hi -- Has anyone installed FreeRTOS in a program running under FreeDOS and what were your experiences? Thank you. Alvin -- Forrester Wave Report - Recovery time is now measured in hours and minutes not days. Key insights are discussed in the 2010 Forrester Wave Report as part of an in-depth evaluation of disaster recovery service providers. Forrester found the best-in-class provider in terms of services and vision. Read this report now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/ibm-webcastpromo___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] a creative situation?
(from Eric:) Would be nice to have somebody else say a few words about DOS text web browsers in this thread who has experience with them. I can speak as a user. I use three DOS text web browsers: - Lynx - DOSLynx (Fred C. Macall, 2010) - Links (2.1pre36) They all work fine, but I prefer Links because it is FDAPM-aware. Typically, the processor will remain idle for over 95% of the time, which I find cool, literally and metaphorically. Marcos -- Marcos Favero Florence de Barros Brazil -- Forrester Wave Report - Recovery time is now measured in hours and minutes not days. Key insights are discussed in the 2010 Forrester Wave Report as part of an in-depth evaluation of disaster recovery service providers. Forrester found the best-in-class provider in terms of services and vision. Read this report now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/ibm-webcastpromo ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] a creative situation?
Now that is a fine suggestion. I use links as well, but on a shell service which is has compiled it with spider monkey to increase the java script friendly nature. going to google for it too, but if you can point me to a complete packaging of links for dos I would be thrilled. that should do the trick nicely I think. thanks again, Karen On Mon, 11 Apr 2011, Marcos Favero Florence de Barros wrote: (from Eric:) Would be nice to have somebody else say a few words about DOS text web browsers in this thread who has experience with them. I can speak as a user. I use three DOS text web browsers: - Lynx - DOSLynx (Fred C. Macall, 2010) - Links (2.1pre36) They all work fine, but I prefer Links because it is FDAPM-aware. Typically, the processor will remain idle for over 95% of the time, which I find cool, literally and metaphorically. Marcos -- Marcos Favero Florence de Barros Brazil -- Forrester Wave Report - Recovery time is now measured in hours and minutes not days. Key insights are discussed in the 2010 Forrester Wave Report as part of an in-depth evaluation of disaster recovery service providers. Forrester found the best-in-class provider in terms of services and vision. Read this report now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/ibm-webcastpromo ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Forrester Wave Report - Recovery time is now measured in hours and minutes not days. Key insights are discussed in the 2010 Forrester Wave Report as part of an in-depth evaluation of disaster recovery service providers. Forrester found the best-in-class provider in terms of services and vision. Read this report now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/ibm-webcastpromo ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
