Re: [Freedos-user] QuickView 2.60 with MP4 support released

2014-11-26 Thread Don Flowers 
QuickView displays videos clearly, but I have no sound. I have the AC97
ICH4 issue, but MPXPlay works without any configuration. I have tried every
driver listed on your site to no avail. I have to keep my internal speaker
disconnected because the beeps wreak havoc with my wife's hearing aid. My
output is to an amplifier (two channel) connected to Minimus 7 speakers.
Any suggestions?

On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 2:49 AM, Florian Xaver  wrote:

>  Interesting… I think that I read somewhere about this relation between
> QV’s and MPXPLAY’s drivers...
>
> Btw: *New driver for various PCI sound chips by Ruslan Starodubov (14
> November 2014)* 
> from *http://multimediaware.com/qv/snddrv/*
> 
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> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 8:17 PM, Matej Horvat  > wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:51:53 +0100, Mateusz Viste 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > The VESA audio is nice (on paper), I didn't know about it. But I
>> > understand it is an INT API, so it would require to have some kind of a
>> > TSR that sits in memory all the time, and responds to such INT calls.
>>
>> I think this is the most elegant way. This is how packet drivers and
>> USBDOS work. You only have to load the driver once and then it's
>> available
>> for any program. (And while we're at it, let's create a modern standard
>> for TCP/IP TSRs.)
>>
>> Maybe we should indeed use the VESA interface, as it's the closest thing
>> to a standard (but where is the documentation?). Another option is
>> DOSSound, although its API is too AC97-specific in my opinion (since
>> that's its purpose).
>>
>> The best option for old software would be Sound Blaster emulation
>> drivers,
>> of course. But since trapping I/O ports requires protected mode, it might
>> not be compatible with various extenders (e.g. VSB only supports real
>> mode
>> programs because of this). But I admit that I don't know much about this.
>>
>> > The QV approach (if I got it right) seems to be about providing some
>> > kind of external files (*.SDR) that are used directly by the main
>> > program. I have no idea how it works under the hood, since there is no
>> > source code nor public API available online, but the basic principles
>> > looks sexy to me.
>>
>> They are just renamed EXE files. I don't know how they are called though.
>>
>> > The basic idea is that since apparently there are still people
>> investing
>> > time and effort into developing sound drivers for DOS (QV, MPXPLAY...),
>> > it would be great to somehow make this reusable for other projects.
>>
>> I agree.
>>
>> BTW, the PCI.SDR driver for QV seems to be based on Mpxplay drivers. Look
>> at it with a hex editor.
>>
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Re: [Freedos-user] QuickView 2.60 with MP4 support released

2014-11-25 Thread Florian Xaver 
Interesting… I think that I read somewhere about this relation between QV’s and 
MPXPLAY’s drivers...




Btw: New driver for various PCI sound chips by Ruslan Starodubov (14 November 
2014)


from http://multimediaware.com/qv/snddrv/





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On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 8:17 PM, Matej Horvat 
wrote:

> On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:51:53 +0100, Mateusz Viste  wrote:
>> The VESA audio is nice (on paper), I didn't know about it. But I
>> understand it is an INT API, so it would require to have some kind of a
>> TSR that sits in memory all the time, and responds to such INT calls.
> I think this is the most elegant way. This is how packet drivers and  
> USBDOS work. You only have to load the driver once and then it's available  
> for any program. (And while we're at it, let's create a modern standard  
> for TCP/IP TSRs.)
> Maybe we should indeed use the VESA interface, as it's the closest thing  
> to a standard (but where is the documentation?). Another option is  
> DOSSound, although its API is too AC97-specific in my opinion (since  
> that's its purpose).
> The best option for old software would be Sound Blaster emulation drivers,  
> of course. But since trapping I/O ports requires protected mode, it might  
> not be compatible with various extenders (e.g. VSB only supports real mode  
> programs because of this). But I admit that I don't know much about this.
>> The QV approach (if I got it right) seems to be about providing some
>> kind of external files (*.SDR) that are used directly by the main
>> program. I have no idea how it works under the hood, since there is no
>> source code nor public API available online, but the basic principles
>> looks sexy to me.
> They are just renamed EXE files. I don't know how they are called though.
>> The basic idea is that since apparently there are still people investing
>> time and effort into developing sound drivers for DOS (QV, MPXPLAY...),
>> it would be great to somehow make this reusable for other projects.
> I agree.
> BTW, the PCI.SDR driver for QV seems to be based on Mpxplay drivers. Look  
> at it with a hex editor.
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Re: [Freedos-user] QuickView 2.60 with MP4 support released

2014-11-25 Thread Matej Horvat 
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:51:53 +0100, Mateusz Viste  wrote:

> The VESA audio is nice (on paper), I didn't know about it. But I
> understand it is an INT API, so it would require to have some kind of a
> TSR that sits in memory all the time, and responds to such INT calls.

I think this is the most elegant way. This is how packet drivers and  
USBDOS work. You only have to load the driver once and then it's available  
for any program. (And while we're at it, let's create a modern standard  
for TCP/IP TSRs.)

Maybe we should indeed use the VESA interface, as it's the closest thing  
to a standard (but where is the documentation?). Another option is  
DOSSound, although its API is too AC97-specific in my opinion (since  
that's its purpose).

The best option for old software would be Sound Blaster emulation drivers,  
of course. But since trapping I/O ports requires protected mode, it might  
not be compatible with various extenders (e.g. VSB only supports real mode  
programs because of this). But I admit that I don't know much about this.

> The QV approach (if I got it right) seems to be about providing some
> kind of external files (*.SDR) that are used directly by the main
> program. I have no idea how it works under the hood, since there is no
> source code nor public API available online, but the basic principles
> looks sexy to me.

They are just renamed EXE files. I don't know how they are called though.

> The basic idea is that since apparently there are still people investing
> time and effort into developing sound drivers for DOS (QV, MPXPLAY...),
> it would be great to somehow make this reusable for other projects.

I agree.

BTW, the PCI.SDR driver for QV seems to be based on Mpxplay drivers. Look  
at it with a hex editor.

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Re: [Freedos-user] QuickView 2.60 with MP4 support released

2014-11-25 Thread Mateusz Viste 
Hi Eric,

The VESA audio is nice (on paper), I didn't know about it. But I 
understand it is an INT API, so it would require to have some kind of a 
TSR that sits in memory all the time, and responds to such INT calls.

The QV approach (if I got it right) seems to be about providing some 
kind of external files (*.SDR) that are used directly by the main 
program. I have no idea how it works under the hood, since there is no 
source code nor public API available online, but the basic principles 
looks sexy to me.

Now, let's imagine that FreeDOS would come with *.SDR files stored in 
%FDOS%/drivers/sound, the location of the sound driver might even be 
advertised by a specific env variable (say, SDRDRV) - then, any 
SDR-aware program would only need to check the SDRDRV variable, and use 
some kind of (yet to be determined) API to hook on the target driver 
file. A little bit similar to how FreeDOS manages translation files.

The basic idea is that since apparently there are still people investing 
time and effort into developing sound drivers for DOS (QV, MPXPLAY...), 
it would be great to somehow make this reusable for other projects.

But again, I have no idea how QV uses these SDR files in the first 
place. Does anyone here have any idea how these SDR file work?

cheers,
Mateusz



On 11/24/2014 08:30 PM, Eric Auer wrote:
>
> Hi Mateusz, DOSers,
>
>> I noticed that QV got some interesting support for external sound
>> drivers. This looks really nice, I'm wondering whether it would make
>> sense to design such an "official" API for newly created (and/or
>> newly-ported) apps...
>
> How about the VESA audio API? Rarely supported by actual
> audio/video card BIOSes but that is no reason to avoid it
> as common API for drivers ;-) RBIL calls it "VESA VBE/AI"
> and the AI stands for audio interface in this context.
>
> That would be int 10, ax=4f13 bx=0 to 6 - unfortunately,
> RBIL details are not very complete, but maybe you find
> other information about this or other existing APIs.
>
> I also remember that there were some driver frameworks
> at least shared by SEVERAL games, maybe not many, but
> still a starting point to "use something proven". Maybe
> Rugxulo can dig up details from the list archive, I am
> sure this topic has been pondered before, probably also
> in context of AC97 (or HDA) soundcards and the lack of
> drivers for them for old games.
>
> Regards, Eric
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] QuickView 2.60 with MP4 support released

2014-11-24 Thread Eric Auer 

Hi Mateusz, DOSers,

> I noticed that QV got some interesting support for external sound 
> drivers. This looks really nice, I'm wondering whether it would make 
> sense to design such an "official" API for newly created (and/or 
> newly-ported) apps...

How about the VESA audio API? Rarely supported by actual
audio/video card BIOSes but that is no reason to avoid it
as common API for drivers ;-) RBIL calls it "VESA VBE/AI"
and the AI stands for audio interface in this context.

That would be int 10, ax=4f13 bx=0 to 6 - unfortunately,
RBIL details are not very complete, but maybe you find
other information about this or other existing APIs.

I also remember that there were some driver frameworks
at least shared by SEVERAL games, maybe not many, but
still a starting point to "use something proven". Maybe
Rugxulo can dig up details from the list archive, I am
sure this topic has been pondered before, probably also
in context of AC97 (or HDA) soundcards and the lack of
drivers for them for old games.

Regards, Eric



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Re: [Freedos-user] QuickView 2.60 with MP4 support released

2014-11-24 Thread Dale E Sterner 
I love quickview. I'm running v 2.58; need to get the upgrade. PV is
another good one
that I whish someone would upgrade.


cheers
DS


On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 00:54:02 -0800 (PST) "Florian Xaver" 
writes:
> Dear all!
> 
> 
> Wolfgang Hesseler released QuickView 2.60! He has added MP4 seven 
> years after the last version.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Download it and buy it from http://multimediaware.com/qv/index.html
> 
> 
> Cheers 
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> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] QuickView 2.60 with MP4 support released

2014-11-24 Thread Mateusz Viste 
This is fantastic (and quite unexpected) news, thanks for sharing!

I noticed that QV got some interesting support for external sound 
drivers. This looks really nice, I'm wondering whether it would make 
sense to design such an "official" API for newly created (and/or 
newly-ported) apps... Of course there is the eternal argument about "no 
new software will appear for DOS), but still, having such 'official' API 
could only be good in my opinion. Apparently, there are still people out 
there, ready to create drivers for DOS, such an official API would at 
the very least allow to archive their work, enforce some minimal 
(opensource) rules, etc, avoiding their effort going to waste... I'd be 
curious to know, what is the community's feeling about this?

Mateusz




On 11/24/2014 09:54 AM, Florian Xaver wrote:
> Dear all!
>
> Wolfgang Hesseler released QuickView 2.60! He has added MP4 seven years
> after the last version.
>
> Download it and buy it from http://multimediaware.com/qv/index.html
>
> Cheers
>   Florian
>
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[Freedos-user] QuickView 2.60 with MP4 support released

2014-11-24 Thread Florian Xaver 
Dear all!


Wolfgang Hesseler released QuickView 2.60! He has added MP4 seven years after 
the last version.





Download it and buy it from http://multimediaware.com/qv/index.html


Cheers 
 Florian

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