Re: [Freedos-user] use smb with freedos or nfs

[Carl Spitzer]

On Fri, 2006-12-01 at 23:33 +0100, Eric Auer wrote:
> Hi Carl,
> 
> > First for such an old laptop if you want Suse be sure to have at least
> > 20 gig free for a min install.  If you cant get more than 256 mb on it,
> > I have a full set of 9.2 with an update disk.  Support will die with the
> > advent of 10.2.  I will attempt 10.0 when I get some more memory for
> > this PII 350Mhz.
> 
> I assume you mean 20 meg and not 20 gig...? Actually I think
> something like 1 gigabyte can already give you a few hundred
> of the better programs :-). An install with 20 mb harddisk
> space will be very minimal - once I tried to install on a PC
> with ca 250 mb harddisk, a medium 486 PC, but that was really
> basic and not very useful. One thing which is really useful
> for old computers is using old Linux versions. For example
> SuSE 6.4 - if you can live with a 2.2 kernel without USB
> support and stuff. Alternatively, there are many lesser known
> Linux distros around which are especially made for small
> computers with small harddisks and little RAM, but which are
> modern distros.
> 
No for Suse I ment 20 gig /boot 64mb / 7-10gig /swap 128mb min /home the
rest of the 20 gig.  

> I think the reason why there were no further mails in this
> thread this week is that, not wanting to get one of those
> few DOS compatible wifi cards second hand, and not wanting

My freedos mail stopped on Mon 11-27 and restarted today.

BTW I am told FreeDOS is the basis of dosemu for linux.
So keep coding there is life in the old dog yet.

CWSIV


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Re: [Freedos-user] use smb with freedos or nfs

[Robert Riebisch]

Eric Auer wrote:

>> First for such an old laptop if you want Suse be sure to have at least
>> 20 gig free for a min install.  If you cant get more than 256 mb on it,
>> I have a full set of 9.2 with an update disk.  Support will die with the
>> advent of 10.2.  I will attempt 10.0 when I get some more memory for
>> this PII 350Mhz.
>
> I assume you mean 20 meg and not 20 gig...? Actually I think

20 Mbytes for a SuSE Linux 9.x installation? You must be kidding! ;-)

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Re: [Freedos-user] use smb with freedos or nfs

[Eric Auer]

Hi Carl,

> First for such an old laptop if you want Suse be sure to have at least
> 20 gig free for a min install.  If you cant get more than 256 mb on it,
> I have a full set of 9.2 with an update disk.  Support will die with the
> advent of 10.2.  I will attempt 10.0 when I get some more memory for
> this PII 350Mhz.

I assume you mean 20 meg and not 20 gig...? Actually I think
something like 1 gigabyte can already give you a few hundred
of the better programs :-). An install with 20 mb harddisk
space will be very minimal - once I tried to install on a PC
with ca 250 mb harddisk, a medium 486 PC, but that was really
basic and not very useful. One thing which is really useful
for old computers is using old Linux versions. For example
SuSE 6.4 - if you can live with a 2.2 kernel without USB
support and stuff. Alternatively, there are many lesser known
Linux distros around which are especially made for small
computers with small harddisks and little RAM, but which are
modern distros.

I think the reason why there were no further mails in this
thread this week is that, not wanting to get one of those
few DOS compatible wifi cards second hand, and not wanting
to get a Wifi-to-LAN adapter, in short, not wanting to do
any hardware modifications, the original project probably
just reverted to using Windows 95 or 98. Which is of course
as unsupported as are old Linux versions, but honestly, for
creating a wireless mp3 player, that really does not matter.

So we can conclude that FreeDOS CAN be used to create a
wireless mp3 player laptop, but that you need special
networking hardware. That Linux also CAN be used, but
that you need a special or old distro. That Windows CAN
be used, but that you need an old version and patience
because it will boot slowly.

Oh and of course the mp3 players that -I- like best are the
ones which are  30-150 grams in weight and which have space
for a few 100 or a few 1000 songs inside. Totally wireless,
totally radiation free, long battery life, small, cute.

Eric :-)



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Re: [Freedos-user] use smb with freedos or nfs

[Carl Spitzer]

Well here goes since no messages made it to me since Monday.

First for such an old laptop if you want Suse be sure to have at least
20 gig free for a min install.  If you cant get more than 256 mb on it,
I have a full set of 9.2 with an update disk.  Support will die with the
advent of 10.2.  I will attempt 10.0 when I get some more memory for
this PII 350Mhz.

This way your covered on the wifi etc.  Though watch it in a university
some of then are implementing a clampdown.  If WIFI is detected the
local node cranks back to 56k.

CWSIV


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Re: [Freedos-user] use smb with freedos or nfs

[Mark Bailey]

Hi Samuel:

There is a hardware solution the gaming folks use to connect a wired
computer to a wireless network without requiring any wireless drivers.
These aren't cheap, but they work.

As an example, the Netgear ME101: 
http://www.trustedreviews.com/networking/review/2003/12/10/Netgear-ME101-Wireless-Bridge/p1

A wireless bridge is a device that can connect a standard Ethernet 
device to a wireless network seamlessly. One such device is the Netgear 
ME101 and I have to say that it works like an absolute dream.

Or the Linksys:

http://reviews.cnet.com/Linksys_WET54G_Wireless_G_Ethernet_bridge/4505-3265_7-30460920.html

Note that you will probably need a Windows box to CONFIGURE the bridge,
but once configured, you can plug in a standard ethernet cable from your
DOS computer to this and it will connect to a wireless network.  DOS
thinks the connection is just the standard wired connection.

I have successfully used one of these (a Belkin no longer in production)
to put a DOS box on a wireless LAN.

Hope this helps.

Mark



Samuel Skanberg wrote:
> Thanks for the fast replies all of you, really appreciate it!
>  
>  However, as Eric said, configuring the laptop with freedos would probably 
> hard compared to installing windows 95 or whatever on it.
>  According to the wiki (the howto regarding networking) there are no wifi 
> drivers avaible to dos. Since I'm unable to have network cables to the laptop 
> I must use wifi.
>  
>  I did tried Linux but I had huge problem with my sound card, otherwise that 
> would be my first choice.
>  
>  Thanks for the help!
> 


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Re: [Freedos-user] use smb with freedos or nfs

[Robert Riebisch]

Samuel Skanberg wrote:

> According to the wiki (the howto regarding networking) there are no
> wifi drivers avaible to dos. Since I'm unable to have network cables

There _are_ WLAN drivers for DOS! I successfully used a Cisco Aironet
card in my ThinkPad 770 with vanilla MS-DOS.

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Re: [Freedos-user] use smb with freedos or nfs

[Samuel Skanberg]

Thanks for the fast replies all of you, really appreciate it!
 
 However, as Eric said, configuring the laptop with freedos would probably hard 
compared to installing windows 95 or whatever on it.
 According to the wiki (the howto regarding networking) there are no wifi 
drivers avaible to dos. Since I'm unable to have network cables to the laptop I 
must use wifi.
 
 I did tried Linux but I had huge problem with my sound card, otherwise that 
would be my first choice.
 
 Thanks for the help!

Eric Auer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev: 
Hi Samuel,

short answer is yes, you can use DOS to create a networked
music player on a PC with a modern soundcard, but no, you
cannot get all your wishes implemented for free :-).

> Is it possible to install freedos on a 266 mhz pII ibm thinkpad laptop
> with a wifi network card (pcmcia) and play music over smb or nfs with
> my crystal something sound card? Or is it simply not possible because
> freedos have no multitasking (?) or there are no driver for my sound
> card or wifi card.

Probably the latter. I think somewhere in the WIKI or FAQ there is
a list of three very old PCMCIA WIFI cards which come with DOS
drivers. Ever since then, manufacturers stopped to provide DOS drivers
for their cards, and WIFI is much harder to support than normal LAN.

However, many common "wired" network cards, in particular PCI and
onboard ones, do have DOS drivers, for example on crynwr.com :-).

I have no idea if there are "crystal something" "drivers" for
sound in DOS. Almost all DOS games ONLY support SoundBlaster
compatible sound cards, and it is almost impossible to change
that with external drivers. SoundBlaster PCI / Live does it,
but they create a whole virtual environment for that, and not
all games can stand that. But luckily you only want to play MUSIC
and the modern MPXPLAY media player for DOS does contain built-
in drivers for modern chipsets, including many AC97 compatibles.

Remaining problem is the "network drive letter" one. If your
server would be DOS, too, you could use the network mode of
our SHSUCD driver suite to mount a remote cdrom or cdrom ISO
file with the music. I know no NFS drivers for DOS, but there
are clients for FTP / HTTP / mail / news - probably less useful
for you as you want to have a continuous connection instead of
downloading music from your server to the player from time to
time? You could conceivably also use ancient technology like
INTERLNK or LapLink or the FileMaven link thing, but most of
those either require a DOS server or cannot be used in the
background. As you said, DOS is essentially single-tasking, so
only things which are specifically written as drivers can be
used in the background. The remaining possibility is SMB/NETBIOS,
and as a DOS port of SAMBA is probably not ready yet, you would
have to use the (free but old) MSCLIENT, the microsoft client
for Windows network/shared drives. It uses a lot of DOS RAM but
it seems to work okay in FreeDOS apart from that...

> I could install windows 95 but'll have a much longer boot time...

You could use a light version of Linux, or just disable everything
which is not needed for playing music :-). It will be much easier
to install compared to configuring all the networking and msclient
stuff for DOS, but it might be less cool than using DOS ;-).

Eric



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Re: [Freedos-user] use smb with freedos or nfs

[Robert Riebisch]

Eric Auer wrote:

> Probably the latter. I think somewhere in the WIKI or FAQ there is
> a list of three very old PCMCIA WIFI cards which come with DOS

GEOS WLAN HowTo 1.0 by Andreas Bollhalder
http://www.freedos.org/freedos/news/technote/224.txt

> file with the music. I know no NFS drivers for DOS, but there

Not free, but... http://www.rawbandwidth.com/software/

btw: Does anyone know, what happened to http://www.bgnett.no/~giva/ ? I
get "HTTP 404" errors only.

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Re: [Freedos-user] use smb with freedos or nfs

[Blair Campbell]

There's also another one called XFS (not to be confused with the
file-system) and probably some more.  XFS IIRC was distributed with
old versions of SuSE Linux.

On 11/27/06, Sylvain Lavoie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
>  >I know no NFS drivers for DOS, but there
>
> Actually, there is such a thing as a DOS NFS client!  It's old but it
> works.  I'm using Tsoft's NFS Client 1.02.  It uses the WatTCP TCP/IP
> stack.  Check this site to download a trial copy:
>
> http://www.rawbandwidth.com/software/nfs/download.html
>
> All you need is a DOS packet driver for your network card.
>
> I use it with a Linux server.  After the directory is exported on the
> Linux server, load the nfs client on the DOS machine, mount the
> directory  as a drive letter and your good to go.
>
> If you need configuration help, I'll be glad to help.
>
> Sylvain
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] use smb with freedos or nfs

[Sylvain Lavoie]

Hello,

 >I know no NFS drivers for DOS, but there

Actually, there is such a thing as a DOS NFS client!  It's old but it 
works.  I'm using Tsoft's NFS Client 1.02.  It uses the WatTCP TCP/IP 
stack.  Check this site to download a trial copy:

http://www.rawbandwidth.com/software/nfs/download.html

All you need is a DOS packet driver for your network card.

I use it with a Linux server.  After the directory is exported on the 
Linux server, load the nfs client on the DOS machine, mount the 
directory  as a drive letter and your good to go.

If you need configuration help, I'll be glad to help.

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Re: [Freedos-user] use smb with freedos or nfs

[Florian Xaver]

But a DOS player would be much nicer... ;-)

btw: Some BIOS version have "Legacy Sound" option, which provides SB16  
compatiblity. MPXPLAY also supports some modern cards AND have support of  
networks (ask the author!!).

Bye
  Flo

On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:14:53 +0100, Eric Auer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Hi Samuel,
>
> short answer is yes, you can use DOS to create a networked
> music player on a PC with a modern soundcard, but no, you
> cannot get all your wishes implemented for free :-).
>
>> Is it possible to install freedos on a 266 mhz pII ibm thinkpad laptop
>> with a wifi network card (pcmcia) and play music over smb or nfs with
>> my crystal something sound card? Or is it simply not possible because
>> freedos have no multitasking (?) or there are no driver for my sound
>> card or wifi card.
>
> Probably the latter. I think somewhere in the WIKI or FAQ there is
> a list of three very old PCMCIA WIFI cards which come with DOS
> drivers. Ever since then, manufacturers stopped to provide DOS drivers
> for their cards, and WIFI is much harder to support than normal LAN.
>
> However, many common "wired" network cards, in particular PCI and
> onboard ones, do have DOS drivers, for example on crynwr.com :-).
>
> I have no idea if there are "crystal something" "drivers" for
> sound in DOS. Almost all DOS games ONLY support SoundBlaster
> compatible sound cards, and it is almost impossible to change
> that with external drivers. SoundBlaster PCI / Live does it,
> but they create a whole virtual environment for that, and not
> all games can stand that. But luckily you only want to play MUSIC
> and the modern MPXPLAY media player for DOS does contain built-
> in drivers for modern chipsets, including many AC97 compatibles.
>
> Remaining problem is the "network drive letter" one. If your
> server would be DOS, too, you could use the network mode of
> our SHSUCD driver suite to mount a remote cdrom or cdrom ISO
> file with the music. I know no NFS drivers for DOS, but there
> are clients for FTP / HTTP / mail / news - probably less useful
> for you as you want to have a continuous connection instead of
> downloading music from your server to the player from time to
> time? You could conceivably also use ancient technology like
> INTERLNK or LapLink or the FileMaven link thing, but most of
> those either require a DOS server or cannot be used in the
> background. As you said, DOS is essentially single-tasking, so
> only things which are specifically written as drivers can be
> used in the background. The remaining possibility is SMB/NETBIOS,
> and as a DOS port of SAMBA is probably not ready yet, you would
> have to use the (free but old) MSCLIENT, the microsoft client
> for Windows network/shared drives. It uses a lot of DOS RAM but
> it seems to work okay in FreeDOS apart from that...
>
>> I could install windows 95 but'll have a much longer boot time...
>
> You could use a light version of Linux, or just disable everything
> which is not needed for playing music :-). It will be much easier
> to install compared to configuring all the networking and msclient
> stuff for DOS, but it might be less cool than using DOS ;-).
>
> Eric
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] use smb with freedos or nfs

[Eric Auer]

Hi Samuel,

short answer is yes, you can use DOS to create a networked
music player on a PC with a modern soundcard, but no, you
cannot get all your wishes implemented for free :-).

> Is it possible to install freedos on a 266 mhz pII ibm thinkpad laptop
> with a wifi network card (pcmcia) and play music over smb or nfs with
> my crystal something sound card? Or is it simply not possible because
> freedos have no multitasking (?) or there are no driver for my sound
> card or wifi card.

Probably the latter. I think somewhere in the WIKI or FAQ there is
a list of three very old PCMCIA WIFI cards which come with DOS
drivers. Ever since then, manufacturers stopped to provide DOS drivers
for their cards, and WIFI is much harder to support than normal LAN.

However, many common "wired" network cards, in particular PCI and
onboard ones, do have DOS drivers, for example on crynwr.com :-).

I have no idea if there are "crystal something" "drivers" for
sound in DOS. Almost all DOS games ONLY support SoundBlaster
compatible sound cards, and it is almost impossible to change
that with external drivers. SoundBlaster PCI / Live does it,
but they create a whole virtual environment for that, and not
all games can stand that. But luckily you only want to play MUSIC
and the modern MPXPLAY media player for DOS does contain built-
in drivers for modern chipsets, including many AC97 compatibles.

Remaining problem is the "network drive letter" one. If your
server would be DOS, too, you could use the network mode of
our SHSUCD driver suite to mount a remote cdrom or cdrom ISO
file with the music. I know no NFS drivers for DOS, but there
are clients for FTP / HTTP / mail / news - probably less useful
for you as you want to have a continuous connection instead of
downloading music from your server to the player from time to
time? You could conceivably also use ancient technology like
INTERLNK or LapLink or the FileMaven link thing, but most of
those either require a DOS server or cannot be used in the
background. As you said, DOS is essentially single-tasking, so
only things which are specifically written as drivers can be
used in the background. The remaining possibility is SMB/NETBIOS,
and as a DOS port of SAMBA is probably not ready yet, you would
have to use the (free but old) MSCLIENT, the microsoft client
for Windows network/shared drives. It uses a lot of DOS RAM but
it seems to work okay in FreeDOS apart from that...

> I could install windows 95 but'll have a much longer boot time...

You could use a light version of Linux, or just disable everything
which is not needed for playing music :-). It will be much easier
to install compared to configuring all the networking and msclient
stuff for DOS, but it might be less cool than using DOS ;-).

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[Samuel Skanberg]

Hello

Is it possible to install freedos on a 266 mhz pII ibm thinkpad laptop with a 
wifi network card (pcmcia) and play music over smb or nfs with my crystal 
something sound card? Or is it simply not possible because freedos have no 
multitasking (?) or there are no driver for my sound card or wifi card.

I could install windows 95 but'll have a much longer boot time so that's not 
cool.

Thanks!
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