Re: [Freedos-user] Mailing list vs forum
Hi Johnson, with a forum, you would have to log in every time when you want to get the news. I prefer receiving the DOS news in my mailbox automatically... NNTP is more for higher traffic stuff and for situations where most users only want to read a part of the messages, plus, as Jim said, NNTP has a serious spam problem. A forum-like thing on our homepage is the FAQ: If you have a problem with DOS, report it in the FAQ, and check back from time to time to see if somebody has added a description of the solution to your FAQ entry. The best FAQ entries are linked from our Wiki, from a page there called the MetaFAQ. As we have many short mails between few people on the list recently, those people might want to mail each other directly, rather than through the list. Even better would be interactive discussion on IRC (irc.i7c.org #freedos, you can just log in without needing an account) but this only works if you have time at the same moment, which can be a problem because FreeDOS is a world-wide project :-). Eric PS: Some people on IRC simply have their PC on all the time, not very energy-saving... Pro: You can write them all the time and they will see your message when they get back. Contra: It is sometimes hard to tell whether somebody is really online ;-). On Fri, 16 Jun 2006, Johnson Lam wrote: On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:34:19 +0100, you wrote: I've never understood why mailing lists are so popular; surely NNTP is a far better and more efficient way to discuss things, plus it has the advantage of being able to manage archives and reduce bandwidth? Why would anyone want to send out and receive 100s of emails when you could simply view headers on a server and choose the ones of interest? I prefer a forum software, Simple Machines work great... The login system secure no forge identity. Easy to manage, save bandwidth, you can even add your avatar. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Mailing list vs forum
Hi, Hi Johnson, with a forum, you would have to log in every time when you want to get the news. I agree, also it's less efficient than NNTP and much more difficult to manage large volume archives. The threading on NNTP is also much more solid (e.g. if someone changed the subject line). NNTP is more for higher traffic stuff and for situations where most users only want to read a part of the messages, I find it great for low traffic too. You don't have to do anything, just click the group and start reading AND replying, no silly logins or anything. plus, as Jim said, NNTP has a serious spam problem. To a point, but the FreeDOS NNTP group doesn't get much spam and it's easy to skip over. I don't know how, but the NNTP groups have a lot less spam than a year ago. I never see all that V_iagra stuff anymore. As we have many short mails between few people on the list recently, those people might want to mail each other directly, rather than through the list. True, but on USENET people can decide if they want to watch the thread or not; if they decide it's drifting off topic they can just hit ignore thread and that's the end of it. You can also set up filters that work server-side with NNTP and save your bandwidth filtering on email. Even better would be interactive discussion on IRC (irc.i7c.org #freedos, you can just log in without needing an account) To a point, yes. It's great when you're collaborating on a project, but it's not so good when you want to be able to look back over earlier discussions, it's also difficult if you're busy with other stuff and can't be on IRC all the time. -- Gerry Hickman (London UK) ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Mailing list vs forum
Gerry Hickman wrote: easy to skip over. I don't know how, but the NNTP groups have a lot less spam than a year ago. I never see all that V_iagra stuff anymore. Interesting! Before I put the underscore in the line above, sourceforge refused to post my message! -- Gerry Hickman (London UK) ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Mailing list vs forum
On Sat, 17 Jun 2006, Gerry Hickman wrote: NNTP is more for higher traffic stuff and for situations where most users only want to read a part of the messages, I find it great for low traffic too. You don't have to do anything, just ...to do anything except pay to ISP or any NNTP provider for NNTP access. I have no free NNTP access and not sure if I really need it. click the group and start reading AND replying, no silly logins or anything. plus, as Jim said, NNTP has a serious spam Strong argument. -- Take care. Your friend, dima 7509107*mail,ru 2:550/112 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Mailing list vs forum
Hi! The threading on NNTP is also much more solid (e.g. if someone changed the subject line). Email threading is not subject line based either - if you use the proper email software ;-). I find it great for low traffic too. You don't have to do anything, just click the group and start reading AND replying, no silly logins or anything. Which is what makes it so easy for spammers... Otoh, I got loads of Wiki spam, guestbook spam, even FAQ spam, recently also ICQ spam (people guess logins and then plug spambots to them), so everything has spammers and everything starts to use filters to keep them out. To a point, but the FreeDOS NNTP group doesn't get much spam and it's easy to skip over. I don't know how, but the NNTP groups have a lot less spam than a year ago... Interesting - maybe because less people read NNTP? ;-) Eric ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Mailing list vs forum
dima wrote: ...to do anything except pay to ISP or any NNTP provider for NNTP access. I have no free NNTP access and not sure if I really need it. Not really. You can connect to an NNTP server regardless of whether your ISP offers free access. For example anyone can participate in Microsoft newsgroups just by clicking on nntp://news.microsoft.com It's a choice of the community what they want to run. Most open source projects have web sites, but only forward-thinking projects like Mozilla have NNTP. -- Gerry Hickman (London UK) ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Mailing list vs forum
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:31:08 +0200 (MEST), you wrote: Hi Johnson, with a forum, you would have to log in every time when you want to get the news. I prefer receiving the DOS news in my mailbox automatically... I don't mind, my software manage it well, just BAHCL feel pain. Also this method waste more bandwidth than forum, everyone yelling environmental protection but feeling convenient still override everything. A forum-like thing on our homepage is the FAQ: If you have a problem with DOS, report it in the FAQ, and check back from time to time to see if somebody has added a description of the solution to your FAQ entry. The best FAQ entries are linked from our Wiki, from a page there called the MetaFAQ. It's traffic is low because exactly it's not a forum, just guarded by a few people who keep watching. As we have many short mails between few people on the list recently, those people might want to mail each other directly, rather than through the list. Only OFF-TOPIC or not DOS related need to email privately. I respect the right of everyone, related topics should be public. needing an account) but this only works if you have time at the same moment, which can be a problem because FreeDOS is a world-wide project :-). Exactly. Rgds, Johnson. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
