Re: [Freedos-user] re: New FreeDOS install CD
> What is the license of ACRODOS, for those that have used it? Acrobat Reader? This is almost useless and Ghostscript for DOS can view more files than Acrobat Reader for DOS. Plus, Ghostscript is open-source. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idt77&alloc_id492&op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] re: New FreeDOS install CD
Hi, Eric Auer escribió: Could be used with software with restrictive licenses. Okay, I get it. Read: Antivirus stuff and VIDE-CDD. What else? By the way, Bernd just never got a reply from Acer about the driver, but they never said that you cannot put it on CD either. What is the license of ACRODOS, for those that have used it? Aitor --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477&alloc_id=16492&op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] re: New FreeDOS install CD
The program I use to display the splash screen actually converts the GIFs to RAW files, so in the end there is no licence problem. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idt77&alloc_id492&op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] re: New FreeDOS install CD
On Thursday 21 July 2005 06:48, Blair Campbell wrote: > Oh. Mostly what I'm looking for is graphics art for displaying while > autoexec.bat and config.sys are loading, but if they could be > converted to a gif somehow, they could be useful. There are much law problems with GIFs... Why not use PNG instead? It's smaller, better and FREE. By the way, there are much examples of PNG implementation on the internet... Best regards, Fox --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477&alloc_id=16492&op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] re: New FreeDOS install CD
Hi Eric Em Quinta 21 Julho 2005 02:57, Eric Auer escreveu: > Hi Carlos, > > DOS IS NOT A NETWORKING OS... I would like to say. Yep! > > I think that the new distro idea about a collection of batch files is > > really good. It looks similar to portage/gentoo and freebsd/ports way of > > installing packages and maybe a it can be a revival for the fdpm project. > > > > - Make the distribution easy to update. > > - Maybe less releases/ISOs per year. > > We already are at about ONE :-(. > > > - Get comercial software inside the distro, not the software but an > > install script/method. By comercial software, read software with retrictive licenses that can't get on freedos cd. > That would be okay IF there is real use for it. So far, everybody > has been able to install their commercial software using the INTENDED > way of install, i.e. buy the software or download it from the homepage > of the vendor, then follow the install instructions. I do not see why > we should take big efforts to make something MORE automatic which is > ALMOST automatic anyway. AND people should read the homepage from where > they download stuff BEFORE they use it. > > > - Comercial software site's bandwith can be used . > > But what commercial site do you mean? Things like downloading ALL > DJGPP ports of GNU software in an automatic way? DJ Delorie will > be NOT amused if you bypass his useful ZIP PICKER. Idem, or the same as above. > > - To have a binary install for users. > > Blair's current ISOs already DO come as a BINARY 100 MB and a > with-sources 200 MB version. > > > - Or from source install for developers. > > Sorry to say that, but install from sources is plain nonsense. > Gentoo users do it because they have a twisted belief in optimizing > their Linux to 5% more performance by compiling their very own > binary of everything in night-long compile runs. For FreeBSD, there > is at least SOME use in the system because FreeBSD can run on > different types of processors (i.e. non-x86 ones). Plus FreeDOS has > some packages which can NOT be compiled with freely available compilers. I don't know really, but maybe it would be nice to see if some programs work or not in different laptops, BIOSes, motherboards. For sure? I don't know. > > - Bandwith from everybody could be used. > > (just live the package in a place the install program can fetch) > > You mean: Every package maintainer has to provide his own bandwidth for > his own packages? The system of worldwide mirrors for things like the > ISOs, SourceForge, Ibiblio is much more suitable in the general case. Could be used with software with restrictive licenses. > > - Bandwith usage would be distributed. > > Again, a nearby mirror can SAVE bandwidth because you do not have to > collect a worldwide soup of mixed origin packages to install every single > system. I agree with you. > > - Also bandwith usage would be distributed in time since everybody will > > not update their packages at the same time. > > Then you MUST assume that people START with installing a full ISO and > only do OCCASIONAL updates. If you ask me, a much BETTER solution for > this would be a system which shows you the LSMs of all packages which > got updated since [User Can Enter Date Here] and do the rest manually. > Only 5 - 10 of the many FreeDOS components are under active development > at the moment AT ALL :-|. I like that too. > > - Make install scripts easier for virtual machines (vmware, bochs, > > qemu...) and emulators (dosemu) since they all have the same network > > cards, at the same address, perhaps. > > This is a nonsense argument: MY Bochs does NOT have a network card. If > I would want to install something on it, it would be MUCH easier to get > an ISO file. Actually you reach MANY people with a SINGLE ElTorito CD-ROM > driver and only a FRACTION of the people with a collection of the top 3 > network card drivers. As far as I know, for qemu it works and for vmware too. > > - Easy to test and get food for bugzilla faster, while developers still > > got their hands dirty. > > Sorry to spoil your illusions: When you announce an update here with > PLEASE TEST, I MUST KNOW IF IT WORKS in big red letters on it, you will > not have heard anything a week later anyway in many cases. Just by having > a tool which says "press here to update your DOS" you will get a zero > increase in user feedback. Remember the WindowsUpdate problem. They say > "you must use this to be safe", and a virus coming out months after a > security fix still knocks out tens of percent of all Windows machines :-(. I like to dream sometimes, what can I do !? > > - Get software tested faster and in different machines by far more > > people. > > ... > > > - Get more people installing (hey new stuff) and updating their FreeDOS > > distro. > > For that, I recommend having ISOs TWICE a year instead of ONCE, for a > start. I agree with that but one per year with the ability of not having to update twice a year is
Re: [Freedos-user] re: New FreeDOS install CD
> Blair: By ansi I mean ansii art. Oh. Mostly what I'm looking for is graphics art for displaying while autoexec.bat and config.sys are loading, but if they could be converted to a gif somehow, they could be useful. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idt77&alloc_id492&op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] re: New FreeDOS install CD
Hi Eric, I'm sorry about the last e-mail, just clicked the send button without even write something. I apreciate your opinion Eric, you know that, the thing is I got excited with the idea of a new installer. It would be really, really nice/cool/super to see it done. :-) Blair: By ansi I mean ansii art. That's it. Carlos Em Quinta 21 Julho 2005 02:57, Eric Auer escreveu: > Hi Carlos, > > DOS IS NOT A NETWORKING OS... I would like to say. > > > I think that the new distro idea about a collection of batch files is > > really good. It looks similar to portage/gentoo and freebsd/ports way of > > installing packages and maybe a it can be a revival for the fdpm project. > > > > - Make the distribution easy to update. > > - Maybe less releases/ISOs per year. > > We already are at about ONE :-(. > > > - Get comercial software inside the distro, not the software but an > > install script/method. > > That would be okay IF there is real use for it. So far, everybody > has been able to install their commercial software using the INTENDED > way of install, i.e. buy the software or download it from the homepage > of the vendor, then follow the install instructions. I do not see why > we should take big efforts to make something MORE automatic which is > ALMOST automatic anyway. AND people should read the homepage from where > they download stuff BEFORE they use it. > > > - Comercial software site's bandwith can be used . > > But what commercial site do you mean? Things like downloading ALL > DJGPP ports of GNU software in an automatic way? DJ Delorie will > be NOT amused if you bypass his useful ZIP PICKER. > > > - To have a binary install for users. > > Blair's current ISOs already DO come as a BINARY 100 MB and a > with-sources 200 MB version. > > > - Or from source install for developers. > > Sorry to say that, but install from sources is plain nonsense. > Gentoo users do it because they have a twisted belief in optimizing > their Linux to 5% more performance by compiling their very own > binary of everything in night-long compile runs. For FreeBSD, there > is at least SOME use in the system because FreeBSD can run on > different types of processors (i.e. non-x86 ones). Plus FreeDOS has > some packages which can NOT be compiled with freely available compilers. > > > - Bandwith from everybody could be used. > > (just live the package in a place the install program can fetch) > > You mean: Every package maintainer has to provide his own bandwidth for > his own packages? The system of worldwide mirrors for things like the > ISOs, SourceForge, Ibiblio is much more suitable in the general case. > > > - Bandwith usage would be distributed. > > Again, a nearby mirror can SAVE bandwidth because you do not have to > collect a worldwide soup of mixed origin packages to install every single > system. > > > - Also bandwith usage would be distributed in time since everybody will > > not update their packages at the same time. > > Then you MUST assume that people START with installing a full ISO and > only do OCCASIONAL updates. If you ask me, a much BETTER solution for > this would be a system which shows you the LSMs of all packages which > got updated since [User Can Enter Date Here] and do the rest manually. > Only 5 - 10 of the many FreeDOS components are under active development > at the moment AT ALL :-|. > > > - Make install scripts easier for virtual machines (vmware, bochs, > > qemu...) and emulators (dosemu) since they all have the same network > > cards, at the same address, perhaps. > > This is a nonsense argument: MY Bochs does NOT have a network card. If > I would want to install something on it, it would be MUCH easier to get > an ISO file. Actually you reach MANY people with a SINGLE ElTorito CD-ROM > driver and only a FRACTION of the people with a collection of the top 3 > network card drivers. > > > - Easy to test and get food for bugzilla faster, while developers still > > got their hands dirty. > > Sorry to spoil your illusions: When you announce an update here with > PLEASE TEST, I MUST KNOW IF IT WORKS in big red letters on it, you will > not have heard anything a week later anyway in many cases. Just by having > a tool which says "press here to update your DOS" you will get a zero > increase in user feedback. Remember the WindowsUpdate problem. They say > "you must use this to be safe", and a virus coming out months after a > security fix still knocks out tens of percent of all Windows machines :-(. > > > - Get software tested faster and in different machines by far more > > people. > > ... > > > - Get more people installing (hey new stuff) and updating their FreeDOS > > distro. > > For that, I recommend having ISOs TWICE a year instead of ONCE, for a > start. > > Plus having a site with a single "ALL UPDATES SINCE THE LAST ISO IN ONE > ZIP" file for easy update. This will be really easy for users. All the > networking stuff is really a big pain in DOS. I did get my DOS online, but > I am really
Re: [Freedos-user] re: New FreeDOS install CD
Hi Eric, Em Quinta 21 Julho 2005 02:57, Eric Auer escreveu: > Hi Carlos, > > DOS IS NOT A NETWORKING OS... I would like to say. > > > I think that the new distro idea about a collection of batch files is > > really good. It looks similar to portage/gentoo and freebsd/ports way of > > installing packages and maybe a it can be a revival for the fdpm project. > > > > - Make the distribution easy to update. > > - Maybe less releases/ISOs per year. > > We already are at about ONE :-(. > > > - Get comercial software inside the distro, not the software but an > > install script/method. > > That would be okay IF there is real use for it. So far, everybody > has been able to install their commercial software using the INTENDED > way of install, i.e. buy the software or download it from the homepage > of the vendor, then follow the install instructions. I do not see why > we should take big efforts to make something MORE automatic which is > ALMOST automatic anyway. AND people should read the homepage from where > they download stuff BEFORE they use it. > > > - Comercial software site's bandwith can be used . > > But what commercial site do you mean? Things like downloading ALL > DJGPP ports of GNU software in an automatic way? DJ Delorie will > be NOT amused if you bypass his useful ZIP PICKER. > > > - To have a binary install for users. > > Blair's current ISOs already DO come as a BINARY 100 MB and a > with-sources 200 MB version. > > > - Or from source install for developers. > > Sorry to say that, but install from sources is plain nonsense. > Gentoo users do it because they have a twisted belief in optimizing > their Linux to 5% more performance by compiling their very own > binary of everything in night-long compile runs. For FreeBSD, there > is at least SOME use in the system because FreeBSD can run on > different types of processors (i.e. non-x86 ones). Plus FreeDOS has > some packages which can NOT be compiled with freely available compilers. > > > - Bandwith from everybody could be used. > > (just live the package in a place the install program can fetch) > > You mean: Every package maintainer has to provide his own bandwidth for > his own packages? The system of worldwide mirrors for things like the > ISOs, SourceForge, Ibiblio is much more suitable in the general case. > > > - Bandwith usage would be distributed. > > Again, a nearby mirror can SAVE bandwidth because you do not have to > collect a worldwide soup of mixed origin packages to install every single > system. > > > - Also bandwith usage would be distributed in time since everybody will > > not update their packages at the same time. > > Then you MUST assume that people START with installing a full ISO and > only do OCCASIONAL updates. If you ask me, a much BETTER solution for > this would be a system which shows you the LSMs of all packages which > got updated since [User Can Enter Date Here] and do the rest manually. > Only 5 - 10 of the many FreeDOS components are under active development > at the moment AT ALL :-|. > > > - Make install scripts easier for virtual machines (vmware, bochs, > > qemu...) and emulators (dosemu) since they all have the same network > > cards, at the same address, perhaps. > > This is a nonsense argument: MY Bochs does NOT have a network card. If > I would want to install something on it, it would be MUCH easier to get > an ISO file. Actually you reach MANY people with a SINGLE ElTorito CD-ROM > driver and only a FRACTION of the people with a collection of the top 3 > network card drivers. > > > - Easy to test and get food for bugzilla faster, while developers still > > got their hands dirty. > > Sorry to spoil your illusions: When you announce an update here with > PLEASE TEST, I MUST KNOW IF IT WORKS in big red letters on it, you will > not have heard anything a week later anyway in many cases. Just by having > a tool which says "press here to update your DOS" you will get a zero > increase in user feedback. Remember the WindowsUpdate problem. They say > "you must use this to be safe", and a virus coming out months after a > security fix still knocks out tens of percent of all Windows machines :-(. > > > - Get software tested faster and in different machines by far more > > people. > > ... > > > - Get more people installing (hey new stuff) and updating their FreeDOS > > distro. > > For that, I recommend having ISOs TWICE a year instead of ONCE, for a > start. > > Plus having a site with a single "ALL UPDATES SINCE THE LAST ISO IN ONE > ZIP" file for easy update. This will be really easy for users. All the > networking stuff is really a big pain in DOS. I did get my DOS online, but > I am really against any illusions that NETWORKING would be easier than > CDROM. > > Sorry for having to be so harsh about that "Make FreeDOS a new Gentoo" > idea. > > Eric > > > --- > SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies > from IBM. Find simple t
Re: [Freedos-user] re: New FreeDOS install CD
> That would be okay IF there is real use for it. So far, everybody > has been able to install their commercial software using the INTENDED > way of install, i.e. buy the software or download it from the homepage > of the vendor, then follow the install instructions. I do not see why > we should take big efforts to make something MORE automatic which is > ALMOST automatic anyway. AND people should read the homepage from where > they download stuff BEFORE they use it. Some software is very useful, like vide-cdd.sys and F-Prot. A readme or a licence could be shown to the user before the software is downloaded and installed. > Sorry to say that, but install from sources is plain nonsense. > Gentoo users do it because they have a twisted belief in optimizing > their Linux to 5% more performance by compiling their very own > binary of everything in night-long compile runs. Good point. > Then you MUST assume that people START with installing a full ISO and > only do OCCASIONAL updates. If you ask me, a much BETTER solution for > this would be a system which shows you the LSMs of all packages which > got updated since [User Can Enter Date Here] and do the rest manually. A simple update.bat on an ISO would be good for this... no need to update packages via internet. > file for easy update. This will be really easy for users. All the networking > stuff is really a big pain in DOS. I disagree with this. I got my DOS computer hooked up to the internet within 5 minutes of installing FreeDOS > I did get my DOS online, but I am really > against any illusions that NETWORKING would be easier than CDROM. CD-ROM would be easier, but for some it is a pain to download a huge file for only a few things and networking in DOS has been easy for me. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idt77&alloc_id492&op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Re: New FreeDOS Install CD
> Can you please post a *simple* wattcp.cfg file? I am working on that for the next testing release. > I'm confused at which settings to use in the default wattcp.cfg file, In the next version it will be setup for DHCP by default. > also is the NE2000 packet driver enough to gain internet access on most > computers? (some kind of universal packet driver) I don't think that there is really a universal packet driver, but I have already added a menu that can try to autodetect with the PCI drivers in the collection, and it also has a list of ISA cards that the user can select from to be included in the next version. In the next version, there will be a package that attempts to download vide-cdd.sys and install it in config.sys or fdconfig.sys. BTW, if anyone knows of any other redistributable drivers please let me know and I will add them. > WGET is 386+ ? yes. > How do I know if WGET works or fails? some errorlevel? I'm not sure; I guess you would have to look around. There is a package that can set up a splash screen during config.sys and autoexec.bat for the next version. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idt77&alloc_id492&op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Re: New FreeDOS Install CD
Blair Campbell schreef: Some new ISOs are available for download. These ISOs update the release of OpenGEM to the release that fixes the initial bugs found in release 4. Here are the torrents: http://freedos.sharedaemon.org/torrents/FreeDos-Boot-CD-BinOnly-2005-07-19.iso.torrent http://freedos.sharedaemon.org/torrents/FreeDos-Boot-CD-SrcIncl-2005-07-19.iso.torrent and here are the files uploaded to ibiblio: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/blair/FreeDos-Boot-CD-2005-07-19.iso (binary only) http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/blair/FreeDos-Boot-CD+Sources-2005-07-19.iso (source also) . Can you please post a *simple* wattcp.cfg file? I'm confused at which settings to use in the default wattcp.cfg file, which uses a LOT of comments and hardly any settings. also is the NE2000 packet driver enough to gain internet access on most computers? (some kind of universal packet driver) WGET is 386+ ? How do I know if WGET works or fails? some errorlevel? I'm mostly using DHCP by the way, if that makes WATTCP.CFG settings easier. I've looked at ISO content a bit and there's room for improvement indeed. However it might be best to finish my own work before commenting on someone else's work :) Bernd --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477&alloc_id=16492&op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
