Re: [Freerdp-devel] Stable release

2013-10-23 Thread Bernhard Miklautz
Hi, On 10/23/2013 06:26 AM, Jay Sorg wrote: I'm concerned / confused about the future of FreeRDP. It seems like there is too many restructuring / refactoring of the source code that add no value. All the documentation on http://www.freerdp.com/api/ is out of date. True. Have a look to

Re: [Freerdp-devel] Stable release

2013-10-23 Thread Jay Sorg
I'm sorry, you missed the point. Jay On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 12:27 AM, Bernhard Miklautz bmikla...@thinstuff.at wrote: Hi, On 10/23/2013 06:26 AM, Jay Sorg wrote: I'm concerned / confused about the future of FreeRDP. It seems like there is too many restructuring / refactoring of the

Re: [Freerdp-devel] Stable release

2013-10-23 Thread Jay Sorg
When we are talking about this, you mention Thinstuff. What do I think? I left rdesktop in Peter's control and Cendio took over. I left FreeRDP is your control and Thinstuff took over. You need to fix this! Jay On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Marc-André Moreau marcandre.mor...@gmail.com

Re: [Freerdp-devel] Stable release

2013-10-23 Thread Bernhard Miklautz
Hi Jay, first of I'm truthfully sorry how it went with xrdp. Even if I wasn't directly involved I absolutely understand you and also think some not really right choices were made.. Sorry for that. That said, On 10/23/2013 09:48 AM, Jay Sorg wrote: What do I think? I left rdesktop in Peter's

Re: [Freerdp-devel] Stable release

2013-10-23 Thread Otavio Salvador
Hello folks, On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 7:15 AM, Bernhard Miklautz bmikla...@thinstuff.at wrote: first of I'm truthfully sorry how it went with xrdp. Even if I wasn't directly involved I absolutely understand you and also think some not really right choices were made.. Sorry for that. I think

Re: [Freerdp-devel] Stable release

2013-10-23 Thread Marc-André Moreau
Hi Otavio, I think you also need to take a step back and realize the following: I have already acknowledged that you do bring valid points. It is not not a good thing that certain features like serial, parallel and smartcard are not as stable as they should be, and would definitely use a helping

Re: [Freerdp-devel] Stable release

2013-10-23 Thread Marc-André Moreau
Hi Jay, There's nothing to fix as there has never been a takeover. Where did you get that from?! And honestly, the comparison with Cendio is very insulting, you know how I feel about them. FreeRDP remains under my control, Thinstuff is *not* taking control over the FreeRDP project. If I were a

Re: [Freerdp-devel] Stable release

2013-10-23 Thread Marc-André Moreau
Hi Vic, Thank you for your support, and you do summarize well the situation. We have always been very inclusive of people's contributions and always will be. As for enjoying the new code without complaining and fixing problems which bother you, that's pretty much how this should be approached.

Re: [Freerdp-devel] Stable release

2013-10-23 Thread Marc-André Moreau
Hi Arlo, Thank you for your feedback, and you are right, it can be very hard to stay in sync with the bleeding edge of FreeRDP. In this case, the stable branch of FreeRDP may be better suited for you. If you base your work on the stable branch, you won't be getting new features as as fast as they

Re: [Freerdp-devel] Stable release

2013-10-23 Thread Jay Sorg
Thanks Marc and Vic. I'm only trying to explain why there are not as many contributors as there was. When any project gets too close to any company you loose contributor. We spent a lot of time switching to the Apache lincese but we allow GPL like code from one company. Why? Can other

Re: [Freerdp-devel] Stable release

2013-10-23 Thread Jay Sorg
I had a similar problem when I was using FreeRDP libraries in xrdp. The API kept changing from day to day for things that add no value. palette renamed to colorTable, then ColorTable This breaks the API twice. What value was added? The API needs to be a special place that one guy maintains and

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Re: [Freerdp-devel] Stable release

2013-10-23 Thread Marc-André Moreau
Hi Jay, I think you are living in a parallel universe, what is wrong with you? Come on IRC more often and talk to us, you've lost touch with reality, seriously. First, don't use GPL-like to refer to a license which has nothing to do with the GPL. You know how I feel about the GPL and we're