Hello folks,

On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 7:15 AM, Bernhard Miklautz
<bmikla...@thinstuff.at> wrote:
> first of I'm truthfully sorry how it went with xrdp. Even if I wasn't
> directly involved I absolutely understand you and also think some not
> really right choices were made.. Sorry for that.

I think Marc-Andre and ThinStuff need to step back and listen. Stop to
tell excuses and do an analysis of state points instead to justify
'your actions' learn from the feedback.

> On 10/23/2013 09:48 AM, Jay Sorg wrote:
>> What do I think?
>>
>> I left rdesktop in Peter's control and Cendio took over.
>> I left FreeRDP is your control and Thinstuff took over.
> ... what do you understand by "took over"?
>
> Spending time on fixing bugs?
> Trying to get new features in?
> Spending money on improving OSS software?
> Helping out users?

Jay did it a lot. I did it a lot.

I stopped when I noticed FreeRDP will never be usable for me. My
product still uses FreeRDP 0.8+GIT (before rewrite) and it works more
or less but it is stable. FreeRDP suck in this aspect.

...
> Thinstuff didn't in *any* kind take over FreeRDP. To let me put this
> straight Marc-Andre is the project lead and I (like any other Thinstuff

Marc-Andre is very skilled but not to manage a project. FreeRDP
commitment from community reduced a lot and as he realized companies
are commited to their own needs and don't expend money to fix bugs
which they don't care about.

> employee) isn't favoured in any way when working on FreeRDP. We don't dictate 
> any
> direction, we just regular contributors doing pull request and help on
> other stuff. - For me that doesn't look like taking over?

Taking over can be of many forms. I don't know all the projects done
but Marc-Andre needs to ensure not only Thinstuff needs are
accomplished or it ends being a 'featureness-compliance takeover'.

> On the other side, it's not a secret that we do and did projects together with
> Marc-André and his company. If we do projects the "by-product" is most
> of the time that something that was done ends up in FreeRDP since it's a
> new feature or improvement even if it's just a trivial memory leak or
> fix. - Still not seeing the take over point her.
>
> Jay, I'm really happy and thankful that you and Marc-André started
> FreeRDP but if you leave the project and not happy how it turned out
> it's one thing. If you are unhappy how other things went thats the
> other. On both, I really do see your point and respect this
> but I also feel personally offended by public accusations that are
> just not right and true.
> I know all of the people at Thinstuff and they are nice and good
> girls and boys and definately not with the intention, or mindset,
> of "taking over" an project.
>
> This is just my personal opinion and has nothing todo with my employer.

I participated a lot on the began of FreeRDP and it was very exciting.
Currently it is not. Too bad.

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