[Freetel-codec2] small SM1000 project
Hello List, This pull request: https://github.com/drowe67/codec2/pull/58 is some work in progress to fix/add a few menu options for the SM1000. It involves some C coding, but no DSP. Would anyone like to work on it? I'd be happy to assist/support. Thanks, David ___ Freetel-codec2 mailing list Freetel-codec2@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freetel-codec2
Re: [Freetel-codec2] FreeDV/Codec2 to FM mixed mode repeater and network connection in QRadioLink
To answer your SDL Library problems: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8102313/installing-sdl-on-fedora/8102343 ___ Freetel-codec2 mailing list Freetel-codec2@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freetel-codec2
Re: [Freetel-codec2] FreeDV/Codec2 to FM mixed mode repeater and network connection in QRadioLink
Alan, Use this version of umurmur: https://github.com/qradiolink/umurmur It is slightly older but verified to work with qradiolink. The Murmur server is more complicated and has some compatibility issues that I didn't solve yet. If you use the headless remote interface, you will need to set everything up for repeater mode either in the settings file before starting the program, or via telnet commands (squelch, volume, tx and rx gain, tx shift, VOIP gain, duplex mode, frequency, CTCSS, etc). Then, you only need to issue "start_trx" and "setrepeater 1". If you have two computers and want to link two repeaters, you will need two full duplex SDRs like the PlutoSDR or LimeSDR-mini to work in repeater mode. The HackRF is not full duplex. If you don't want them as repeaters but simply radios linked by VOIP, then you can use HackRFs just fine but make sure not to enable duplex mode in qradiolink. For repeater mode, you can have an RTL-SDR for receiving and a HackRF for transmitting and a single qradiolink instance on a single computer configured to use both. I don't have a HackRF so I was not able to test it. I'm curious whether it works well, please let me know. If you use non-linear amplifiers with the HackRF, there are two 2FSK modes which support both Codec2 (2FSK-2K) and Opus (2FSK-10K), as well as 800XA. 2400A is not yet added. Cheers, Adrian On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 4:22 PM Al Beard wrote: > *Hi Adrian,* > > *Yes, I was thinking of split sites, a computer at each end* > > > > * I'll investigate mumble and murmur as they are standard packages on the > Fedora 29 here. Alan VK2ZIW On Sun, 20 Oct 2019 11:22:20 +, Adrian > Musceac wrote* > > Alan, > > > > If you only want a cross-band repeater you don't need umurmur. That is > for connecting repeaters or radios over the internet. Just enable TX and RX > in qradiolink, set the TX shift in kHz and then enable the repeater. You > can use two separate devices in qradiolink. > > > > Adrian > > > > On October 20, 2019 8:23:31 AM UTC, Al Beard > wrote: >> >> *Hi Adrian and David,* >> > >> * > * >> > *Noting the Mumble protocol and looking for a server, I found uMurmur >> on github* >> > *and tried to compile it on my Fedora 29 x86_64 here but am lost in >> cmake finding* >> > *the SDL library.* >> > >> * > * >> > *To make a cross band codec2 to FM repeater, can you give a quick run >> down* >> > *using your software?* >> > >> * > * >> > *Alan VK2ZIW* >> > >> * > * >> > >> * > * >> > *On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 22:44:01 +0300, Adrian Musceac wrote* >> > > Hi David, >> > > >> > > >>> >>> Wow Adrian it's really coming along quickly! Well done :-) Combined >>> > > with the latest crop of duplex SDRs, I can see this work opening up >>> > > experimentation in the VHF/UHF bands. >>> > > >> >> >> > > >> > > Thanks! I've been working full time on this in the last month due to >> a break at work that might end pretty soon. >> > > I'm aiming at VHF to SHF work, small, portable and field configurable >> repeaters (check out the LimeNet-micro and LimeRFE) >> > > and satellite ops. The IP radio modem in qradiolink might also help >> point to point IP link connectivity at low bandwidths but it needs more >> improvement. >> > > >> > > HF is not out of the question but due to QTH conditions can't really >> use it. >> > > Telemetry modems (even direct sequence spread spectrum for very low >> bitrates, like LoRa) and multi-channel repeaters are the next stop >> > > (after release 1.0). >> > > >> > > >>> >>> Some thoughts: >>> > > >>> > > 1/ Codec 2 2400A and 2400B were designed to work on VHF/UHF, and >>> 2400A >>> > > to substantially outperform FM and current digital voice systems at >>> low >>> > > SNRs: >>> > > >>> > > http://www.rowetel.com/wordpress/?p=5219 >>> > > >>> > > They're in the FreeDV API already >>> > > >> >> >> > > >> > > I'll add 2400A for sure. I don't really see a reason to use 2400B >> with SDRs. Maybe for testing purposes only with the FM modulator. >> > > >> > > But right now my plate is pretty full trying to test everything >> already in and do some packaging. >> > > The 700D modem segfaults in the LDPC encoder with the version of >> libcodec2 in Debian stable and I didn't even have time to raise a bug with >> them. >> > > But I'll add it as well once that's figured out. By the way, can I >> suggest for libcodec2 Git tags for stable releases? I could not find any >> tags in Github and they would be pretty useful as landmarks. >> > > >> > > >>> >>> 2/ Have you done any BER versus SNR (Eb/No) tests to evaluate the >>> > > performance of the modems you are using, e.g. comparing performance >>> to >>> > > theoretical? We have found many existing VHF/UHF digital voice >>> systems >>> > > have modems that perform poorly. Gains of 10dB are possible with >>> the >>> > > right modem/waveform design. >>> > > >> >> >> > > >> > > Yes. All tests are good. My custom modems are nothing original, they >> are based on the knowledge of the GNU radio community, especially
Re: [Freetel-codec2] FreeDV/Codec2 to FM mixed mode repeater and network connection in QRadioLink
Hi Adrian, Yes, I was thinking of split sites, a computer at each end I'll investigate mumble and murmur as they are standard packages on the Fedora 29 here. Alan VK2ZIW On Sun, 20 Oct 2019 11:22:20 +, Adrian Musceac wrote > Alan, > > If you only want a cross-band repeater you don't need umurmur. That is for > connecting repeaters or radios over the internet. Just enable TX and RX in > qradiolink, set the TX shift in kHz and then enable the repeater. You can use > two separate devices in qradiolink. > > Adrian > > On October 20, 2019 8:23:31 AM UTC, Al Beard > wrote:Hi Adrian and David, > > > Noting the Mumble protocol and looking for a server, I found uMurmur on github > and tried to compile it on my Fedora 29 x86_64 here but am lost in cmake > finding > the SDL library. > > > To make a cross band codec2 to FM repeater, can you give a quick run down > using your software? > > > Alan VK2ZIW > > > > > On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 22:44:01 +0300, Adrian Musceac wrote > > Hi David, > > > > Wow Adrian it's really coming along quickly! Well done :-) Combined > > with the latest crop of duplex SDRs, I can see this work opening up > > experimentation in the VHF/UHF bands. > > > > > > Thanks! I've been working full time on this in the last month due to a > > break at work that might end pretty soon. > > I'm aiming at VHF to SHF work, small, portable and field configurable > > repeaters (check out the LimeNet-micro and LimeRFE) > > and satellite ops. The IP radio modem in qradiolink might also help point > > to point IP link connectivity at low bandwidths but it needs more > > improvement. > > > > HF is not out of the question but due to QTH conditions can't really use it. > > Telemetry modems (even direct sequence spread spectrum for very low > > bitrates, like LoRa) and multi-channel repeaters are the next stop > > (after release 1.0). > > > > Some thoughts: > > > > 1/ Codec 2 2400A and 2400B were designed to work on VHF/UHF, and 2400A > > to substantially outperform FM and current digital voice systems at low > > SNRs: > > > > http://www.rowetel.com/wordpress/?p=5219 > > > > They're in the FreeDV API already > > > > > > I'll add 2400A for sure. I don't really see a reason to use 2400B with > > SDRs. Maybe for testing purposes only with the FM modulator. > > > > But right now my plate is pretty full trying to test everything already in > > and do some packaging. > > The 700D modem segfaults in the LDPC encoder with the version of libcodec2 > > in Debian stable and I didn't even have time to raise a bug with them. > > But I'll add it as well once that's figured out. By the way, can I suggest > > for libcodec2 Git tags for stable releases? I could not find any tags in > > Github and they would be pretty useful as landmarks. > > > > 2/ Have you done any BER versus SNR (Eb/No) tests to evaluate the > > performance of the modems you are using, e.g. comparing performance to > > theoretical? We have found many existing VHF/UHF digital voice systems > > have modems that perform poorly. Gains of 10dB are possible with the > > right modem/waveform design. > > > > > > Yes. All tests are good. My custom modems are nothing original, they are > > based on the knowledge of the GNU radio community, especially Daniel > > Estevez and Marcus Mueller but also others. > > > > Some problems occur with some modems like the DQPSK written by me used with > > both Opus and Codec2 > > due to some implementation misconfigures. The Doppler correction used for > > them tends to interact badly with the rest. > > I'll fix that eventually. > > > > But the FreeDV modems work very well. All numbers check out exactly as you > > described in your website. > > > > 3/ RpiTx would be an interesting option for the TX side: > > > > https://github.com/F5OEO/rpitx > > > > > > RPiTx is a work of art, but it has some annoyances. It requires a PGA in > > front to set the output power (some amplifiers > > drive from below 0 dBm). The signals are not exactly clean, but the main > > downside is the limited frequency range. > > I do SHF (2.4 GHz and 5 GHz) with the PlutoSDR. Options to go all the way > > up to 10 GHz with some other MyriadRF hardware. > > > > There's the https://osmocom.org/projects/osmo-fl2k/wiki project which gives > > you a very cheap SDR transmitter as well but with the same limitations. > > > > Best regards, > > Adrian > > > > Cheers, > > David > > > > On 17/10/19 10:30 pm, Adrian Musceac wrote: > > > Hi, > > > I made some more progress working on my application[1]. > > > First of all, it is now possible to run it headless (maybe even > > > daemonized) and control it remotely using a telnet client. > > > Second, I have added support for mixed mode repeater (Codec2/FM or > > > viceversa or any combination of modes like wideband > > > Opus/Codec2/FreeDV/SSB etc.). > > > > > > The repeater can be connected to a VOIP server using the low latency > > > Mumble voice
Re: [Freetel-codec2] FreeDV/Codec2 to FM mixed mode repeater and network connection in QRadioLink
Alan, If you only want a cross-band repeater you don't need umurmur. That is for connecting repeaters or radios over the internet. Just enable TX and RX in qradiolink, set the TX shift in kHz and then enable the repeater. You can use two separate devices in qradiolink. Adrian On October 20, 2019 8:23:31 AM UTC, Al Beard wrote: >Hi Adrian and David, > >Noting the Mumble protocol and looking for a server, I found uMurmur on >github > >and tried to compile it on my Fedora 29 x86_64 here but am lost in >cmake finding > >the SDL library. > >To make a cross band codec2 to FM repeater, can you give a quick run >down > >using your software? > >Alan VK2ZIW > >On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 22:44:01 +0300, Adrian Musceac wrote >> Hi David, >> >> Wow Adrian it's really coming along quickly! Well done :-) Combined >> with the latest crop of duplex SDRs, I can see this work opening up >> experimentation in the VHF/UHF bands. >> >> >> Thanks! I've been working full time on this in the last month due to >a break at work that might end pretty soon. >> I'm aiming at VHF to SHF work, small, portable and field configurable >repeaters (check out the LimeNet-micro and LimeRFE) >> and satellite ops. The IP radio modem in qradiolink might also help >point to point IP link connectivity at low bandwidths but it needs more >improvement. >> >> HF is not out of the question but due to QTH conditions can't really >use it. >> Telemetry modems (even direct sequence spread spectrum for very low >bitrates, like LoRa) and multi-channel repeaters are the next stop >> (after release 1.0). >> >> Some thoughts: >> >> 1/ Codec 2 2400A and 2400B were designed to work on VHF/UHF, and >2400A >> to substantially outperform FM and current digital voice systems at >low >> SNRs: >> >> http://www.rowetel.com/wordpress/?p=5219 >> >> They're in the FreeDV API already >> >> >> I'll add 2400A for sure. I don't really see a reason to use 2400B >with SDRs. Maybe for testing purposes only with the FM modulator. >> >> But right now my plate is pretty full trying to test everything >already in and do some packaging. >> The 700D modem segfaults in the LDPC encoder with the version of >libcodec2 in Debian stable and I didn't even have time to raise a bug >with them. >> But I'll add it as well once that's figured out. By the way, can I >suggest for libcodec2 Git tags for stable releases? I could not find >any tags in Github and they would be pretty useful as landmarks. >> >> 2/ Have you done any BER versus SNR (Eb/No) tests to evaluate the >> performance of the modems you are using, e.g. comparing performance >to >> theoretical? We have found many existing VHF/UHF digital voice >systems >> have modems that perform poorly. Gains of 10dB are possible with the >> right modem/waveform design. >> >> >> Yes. All tests are good. My custom modems are nothing original, they >are based on the knowledge of the GNU radio community, especially >Daniel Estevez and Marcus Mueller but also others. >> >> Some problems occur with some modems like the DQPSK written by me >used with both Opus and Codec2 >> due to some implementation misconfigures. The Doppler correction used >for them tends to interact badly with the rest. >> I'll fix that eventually. >> >> But the FreeDV modems work very well. All numbers check out exactly >as you described in your website. >> >> 3/ RpiTx would be an interesting option for the TX side: >> >> https://github.com/F5OEO/rpitx >> >> >> RPiTx is a work of art, but it has some annoyances. It requires a PGA >in front to set the output power (some amplifiers >> drive from below 0 dBm). The signals are not exactly clean, but the >main downside is the limited frequency range. >> I do SHF (2.4 GHz and 5 GHz) with the PlutoSDR. Options to go all the >way up to 10 GHz with some other MyriadRF hardware. >> >> There's the https://osmocom.org/projects/osmo-fl2k/wiki project which >gives you a very cheap SDR transmitter as well but with the same >limitations. >> >> Best regards, >> Adrian >> >> Cheers, >> David >> >> On 17/10/19 10:30 pm, Adrian Musceac wrote: >> > Hi, >> > I made some more progress working on my application[1]. >> > First of all, it is now possible to run it headless (maybe even >> > daemonized) and control it remotely using a telnet client. >> > Second, I have added support for mixed mode repeater (Codec2/FM or >> > viceversa or any combination of modes like wideband >> > Opus/Codec2/FreeDV/SSB etc.). >> > >> > The repeater can be connected to a VOIP server using the low >latency >> > Mumble voice protocol (known especially for high-performance >gaming). So >> > it is possible now to connect multiple repeaters together by >putting >> > them on the same VOIP channel (this can be controlled via telnet as >> > well, although it's stil work in progress). They operate in full >duplex >> > mode, so a VOIP user can talk at the same time as a radio user and >the >> > two audio streams will be mixed together and broadcast.
Re: [Freetel-codec2] FreeDV/Codec2 to FM mixed mode repeater and network connection in QRadioLink
Hi Adrian and David, Noting the Mumble protocol and looking for a server, I found uMurmur on github and tried to compile it on my Fedora 29 x86_64 here but am lost in cmake finding the SDL library. To make a cross band codec2 to FM repeater, can you give a quick run down using your software? Alan VK2ZIW On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 22:44:01 +0300, Adrian Musceac wrote > Hi David, > > Wow Adrian it's really coming along quickly! Well done :-) Combined > with the latest crop of duplex SDRs, I can see this work opening up > experimentation in the VHF/UHF bands. > > > Thanks! I've been working full time on this in the last month due to a break > at work that might end pretty soon. > I'm aiming at VHF to SHF work, small, portable and field configurable > repeaters (check out the LimeNet-micro and LimeRFE) > and satellite ops. The IP radio modem in qradiolink might also help point to > point IP link connectivity at low bandwidths but it needs more improvement. > > HF is not out of the question but due to QTH conditions can't really use it. > Telemetry modems (even direct sequence spread spectrum for very low bitrates, > like LoRa) and multi-channel repeaters are the next stop > (after release 1.0). > > Some thoughts: > > 1/ Codec 2 2400A and 2400B were designed to work on VHF/UHF, and 2400A > to substantially outperform FM and current digital voice systems at low > SNRs: > > http://www.rowetel.com/wordpress/?p=5219 > > They're in the FreeDV API already > > > I'll add 2400A for sure. I don't really see a reason to use 2400B with SDRs. > Maybe for testing purposes only with the FM modulator. > > But right now my plate is pretty full trying to test everything already in > and do some packaging. > The 700D modem segfaults in the LDPC encoder with the version of libcodec2 in > Debian stable and I didn't even have time to raise a bug with them. > But I'll add it as well once that's figured out. By the way, can I suggest > for libcodec2 Git tags for stable releases? I could not find any tags in > Github and they would be pretty useful as landmarks. > > 2/ Have you done any BER versus SNR (Eb/No) tests to evaluate the > performance of the modems you are using, e.g. comparing performance to > theoretical? We have found many existing VHF/UHF digital voice systems > have modems that perform poorly. Gains of 10dB are possible with the > right modem/waveform design. > > > Yes. All tests are good. My custom modems are nothing original, they are > based on the knowledge of the GNU radio community, especially Daniel Estevez > and Marcus Mueller but also others. > > Some problems occur with some modems like the DQPSK written by me used with > both Opus and Codec2 > due to some implementation misconfigures. The Doppler correction used for > them tends to interact badly with the rest. > I'll fix that eventually. > > But the FreeDV modems work very well. All numbers check out exactly as you > described in your website. > > 3/ RpiTx would be an interesting option for the TX side: > > https://github.com/F5OEO/rpitx > > > RPiTx is a work of art, but it has some annoyances. It requires a PGA in > front to set the output power (some amplifiers > drive from below 0 dBm). The signals are not exactly clean, but the main > downside is the limited frequency range. > I do SHF (2.4 GHz and 5 GHz) with the PlutoSDR. Options to go all the way up > to 10 GHz with some other MyriadRF hardware. > > There's the https://osmocom.org/projects/osmo-fl2k/wiki project which gives > you a very cheap SDR transmitter as well but with the same limitations. > > Best regards, > Adrian > > Cheers, > David > > On 17/10/19 10:30 pm, Adrian Musceac wrote: > > Hi, > > I made some more progress working on my application[1]. > > First of all, it is now possible to run it headless (maybe even > > daemonized) and control it remotely using a telnet client. > > Second, I have added support for mixed mode repeater (Codec2/FM or > > viceversa or any combination of modes like wideband > > Opus/Codec2/FreeDV/SSB etc.). > > > > The repeater can be connected to a VOIP server using the low latency > > Mumble voice protocol (known especially for high-performance gaming). So > > it is possible now to connect multiple repeaters together by putting > > them on the same VOIP channel (this can be controlled via telnet as > > well, although it's stil work in progress). They operate in full duplex > > mode, so a VOIP user can talk at the same time as a radio user and the > > two audio streams will be mixed together and broadcast. The > > FreeDV/Codec2 radio frames are transcoded to Opus at very high bitrates > > (~48 kbit/s) for VOIP transport. This may cause some small delays. > > > > I haven't really had time to test the cross-mode repeater so could use > > some help there from interested parties. > > > > [1] http://qradiolink.org > > > > Cheers, > > Adrian > > > > > > > > > > ___
