Re: [Freetel-codec2] FEC

2011-11-01 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Kristoff Bonne wrote: > Running on D-STAR is -as far as I see it- not possible; for two reason: > - Using codec2 in the "DV" (digital voice) mode is incompatible with the > D-STAR specification. These explicitally say "D-STAR uses AMBE". Thats nice. If anyone give

Re: [Freetel-codec2] US export controls exemption

2011-11-27 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 2:41 PM, acutler22 wrote: > > After looking at the LVS exemption though, it points out that *everything* > packaged with Codec2 must be less than $5000: http://goo.gl/VZPTc > This could pose an issue of Codec2 were packaged in a large commercial > telecom product. > There

Re: [Freetel-codec2] US export controls exemption

2011-11-27 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 2:10 PM, acutler22 wrote: > > A commentor to David's blog made an interesting discovery, that Codec2 falls > under the jurisdiction of US export controls now because it's under the 2400 > bit/s bitrate. It's also probably worth noting that the lowest rate for speex is 2.

Re: [Freetel-codec2] Giving up natural sound for further bandwidth reduction

2012-02-01 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Chris Long wrote: > the purpose of ham radio"? Surely it isn't the progressive narrowing of > bandwidth to the point where individuality, personality and humanity is > completely eliminated. Some of us don't have personality and humanity, you insensitive clod! ;)

Re: [Freetel-codec2] 1500 bit/s release

2012-02-13 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Bruce Perens wrote: > David, > > You've definitely revolutionized voice SMS. This is less than 5X English > ASCII text for the same phrase. And we can do better! > > We could start tweeting codec2 voice to each other. Tweets can take 140 _characters_ but .. since

Re: [Freetel-codec2] FDMDV modem page

2012-05-10 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 3:12 AM, Andreas Weller wrote: > On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Bruce Perens wrote: >> Hm. Or stay with the lower bit-rate implementation and add LDPC? > > I agree on that. This way the interaction of codec, FEC and modem > could be optimized. > > May be one of these LFPC

Re: [Freetel-codec2] PAPR and handheld operation

2012-05-10 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Bruce Perens wrote: > David, Mel, and I have been having a discussion of PAPR: peak vs. average > power ratio, off of the list.  This is also called "crest factor". [snip] > Should we compress in software before feeding the amplifier, so that > clipping is more gra

Re: [Freetel-codec2] PAPR and handheld operation

2012-05-11 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Bruce Perens wrote: > The reason that SSB transmission is in general not offered on HTs is that > much of the power of a linear PA ends up being turned into heat. Hm. I thought it was also because they don't have stable and accurate oscillators (because doing them

Re: [Freetel-codec2] 1400 bit/s and modem integration

2012-05-15 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:25 PM, David Rowe wrote: > Nice work Stuart, very cool what can be done with pipes. > > The mod & demod have filter memories that need to fill, and the > frequency and time acquisition takes a few symbols to acquire.  This can > probably be improved a little.  The modem w

Re: [Freetel-codec2] VHF codec2 modem: bit syncronisation

2012-05-23 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 11:19 PM, Gullik Webjörn wrote: > Since this is a spec, why not? I think the basic idea of a sampling rate > of 48000 is good, but why not allow 96000 and 192000  as well, allowing > extension of the spec? After al, hw is available. 48000 should of course > be the "basic st

Re: [Freetel-codec2] PAPR and handheld operation

2012-06-12 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Patrick Strasser OE6PSE wrote: > Am 11.05.2012 03:44, schrieb Gregory Maxwell: >> It should be noted that the OFDM modem with N-PSK carriers modulated >> with a golay complementary sequence (a rate 1/2 FEC) provides a PAPR >> of 3dB, which I t

Re: [Freetel-codec2] Distortion of music by Codec2

2012-06-12 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Bruce Perens wrote: > U.S. Amateurs are allowed to transmit incidental music as part of repeating > NASA spacecraft communications. The rule says "space shuttle", but I'd > imagine that this is an error and other space vehicles are allowed. When I first got the CE

Re: [Freetel-codec2] OFDM for FreeDV?

2012-12-06 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Bruce Perens wrote: > I did a talk at Lawrence Berkeley Lab today. Because the group I am working > with does a lot of things that look very close to radio, I showed Mel's > recent video as an example of an Open Source project where we are doing real > science. > >

Re: [Freetel-codec2] FreeDV Robustness

2013-03-06 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 2:48 PM, David Rowe wrote: > I've been talking to some Turbo Coding and LPDC guys and I now think > they would be worth testing, for example with block sizes of 256 bits. > While these codes are optimal at blocks with several thousand bits (a > few seconds delay of Codec 2)

Re: [Freetel-codec2] codec2 float to fixed

2013-03-06 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 2:40 PM, David Rowe wrote: > My idea system would work like this. You have some floating point code > that you annotate, then pass it through a float-fixed compiler/parser. > The code might look like: This is how the Opus and Speex stuff works, but the "compiler/parser" is

Re: [Freetel-codec2] Encryption and the Amateur airwaves

2013-03-11 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Bruce Perens wrote: > I looked briefly over the U.S. law on this issue since 1927. I think I could > make a pretty good case that the justifications in 47 CFR 97.1 and the right > to listen implicit in the 1st amendment to the U.S. constitution imply a > right to m

Re: [Freetel-codec2] Codec2 for uC or DSP

2013-04-17 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Netzblockierer wrote: > The Raspberry Pi is a computer. People who believe this are frequently disappointed. "RPI is a micro-controller that can run linux" is a more reasonable expectation in many ways.

Re: [Freetel-codec2] introducing SmartMic

2014-05-23 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 5:01 AM, David Rowe wrote: > Hello List, > > I just posted an introduction to SmartMic - an embedded version of > FreeDV that doesn't need a PC: > > http://www.rowetel.com/blog/?p=3125 > > If would be great if some of the talented readers of this list could > review

Re: [Freetel-codec2] Prototype 900 bit/s FreeDV blog post

2014-11-23 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 6:30 AM, David Rowe wrote: > Here's the scoop: > >http://www.rowetel.com/blog/?p=3700 Very nice results. You might be interested in some of the interesting things people are doing with rateless coded modulation, http://nms.csail.mit.edu/spinal/ ... mostly applicable

Re: [Freetel-codec2] FSK over FM

2014-12-13 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 10:50 PM, David Rowe wrote: > I've started taking a look at modems for VHF FreeDV, starting with 1200 > bit/s FSK over FM: > >http://www.rowetel.com/blog/?p=3799 > Take a look at GMSK. Make sure you're looking at a sufficiently complex GMSK decoder, when I looked at t

Re: [Freetel-codec2] GMSK simulations

2014-12-20 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 12:05 AM, glen english wrote: > Easy when you've got a 70K logic cell FPGA, but still possible on > STM32-4, I think you need to come up with a clever way to run the demod Well keep in mind that there can be multiple target demodulators for this. If a modulation scheme is

Re: [Freetel-codec2] GMSK simulations

2014-12-22 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 11:54 PM, glen english wrote: > It is really a bit simpler than all that > thwere is a drive in mobile comms to increase density. > For an FM modulation, having four states per symbol instead of two does > just this, reduces bandwidth. I think a lot of this is just commerc

Re: [Freetel-codec2] Orlando Hamcation: Algoram "HT of the Future" Demo, Overview, and Progress Report

2015-02-08 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 7:16 AM, Bruce Perens wrote: > Here are the target features of this version, most of which are already > tested and working: Hopefully there will be room to add (or already included) a GPS receiver. Beyond the very useful direct applications for positioning (APRS; automatic

Re: [Freetel-codec2] RX chip CMX994

2015-02-16 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 10:43 PM, glen english wrote: > I'm excluding space diversity RX for the mobile end (while very very > effective) because it is a pain For a HT spatial diversity is obviously nuts. For a mobile-- antenna on the roof and trunk or on opposite sides is completely reasonable

Re: [Freetel-codec2] Smoothing the digital cliff (4+4 QAM bitrate peeling idea)

2015-09-06 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 3:18 AM, David Rowe wrote: > Curiously, I haven't had a _single_ report of a high SNR path that > breaks FreeDV 700(B). For example a path that works well for SSB, but > makes the FreeDV 700 modem fall over, would indicate the modem can't > handle the channel. Or thar you'

Re: [Freetel-codec2] new FreeDV 2400A VHF Modem

2016-03-19 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 11:28 PM, David Rowe wrote: > Hello Lists, > > We've just tested the new FreeDV 2400A mode designed for VHF and above. > Here's the scoop: > >http://www.rowetel.com/blog/?p=5119 Very interesting, -- is there a reason this isn't using a coherent demodulator beyond dev

Re: [Freetel-codec2] 4FSK with random bits

2016-03-23 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 10:49 PM, glen english wrote: > should be able to pass continuous random sequence. that sort of testing > usually finds and breaks clock and bit recovery under pathological > conditions. testing can take 'quite a while' - days- to test almost every > conceivable run length

Re: [Freetel-codec2] Comparison between digital voice and analog narrowband FM on weak signals with interference

2017-09-18 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 9:14 AM, glen english wrote: > The only real fix is slowing down the symbol rate. A true diversity receiver is also a real fix. -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most e

Re: [Freetel-codec2] Codec2 parameter optimization

2019-02-24 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 9:24 PM Jeroen Vreeken wrote: > > Hi David, > > 52bits per 30ms might work out nicely. > > 30ms at 2400baud is 72 bits. If we use a 16 bit uw there are still 4 > bits to spare. > I don't think FEC is that important when using an existing FM system. > For more advanced work

Re: [Freetel-codec2] LPCNet at 1700 bits/s

2019-03-04 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 5:53 PM Adrian Musceac wrote: > How does this scale for normal hams though? Do each of us need a huge > GPU and voice samples to even be able to use this? I am afraid that > this might have even less success with hams than current FreeDV > releases. The trained network is p