Re: [Freetel-codec2] SM3000 comment time

2020-07-27 Thread Don
I had little trouble getting it to install and run on a VM under Ubuntu 18.04 which is the latest supported version. I'm using an old i7-4790K processor. Don On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 06:38:16AM +1000, glen english wrote: > Hi Tomas > > Vivado shouldnt be that hard to get going. > > You can

Re: [Freetel-codec2] SM3000 comment time

2020-07-27 Thread glen english
Hi Tomas Vivado shouldnt be that hard to get going. You can run a makefile style workflow  using TCL commands. Vivado  is basically a GUI front-end on a TCL interface engine. it's all written in Java. let me know if I can help. cheers glen On 27/07/2020 10:01 pm, Tomas Härdin wrote: tor

Re: [Freetel-codec2] SM3000 comment time

2020-07-27 Thread Tomas Härdin
tor 2020-07-23 klockan 08:54 +1000 skrev Glen English: > Hi Tomas > > discussion moved to the new forum. Hope to see you there. Seems to still be the same mailing list? Maybe I missed something. > however : > > yes, pro tools- if you want to compete with the pros, then you got to > use the

Re: [Freetel-codec2] SM3000 comment time

2020-07-24 Thread glen english
Hi Steve, Sebastastien Good comments. Yeah KiCad is OK, but when I am trying to get the signal delay of 50 traces to a target, Kicad just doesnt have the ease of use for those sort of operations, compared with say, xSignals in Altium. The integer based DSP blocks on the FPGAs have long

Re: [Freetel-codec2] SM3000 comment time

2020-07-24 Thread Steve
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 8:33 AM Sebastien F4GRX wrote: > > The problem with the need for power is that imho codec2 has become too heavy > to run on simple platforms. I think the fast FP technology is standard now on $5 USD CPU's (simple platforms). Most of the integer only designs are for use

Re: [Freetel-codec2] SM3000 comment time

2020-07-24 Thread Sebastien F4GRX
Kicad is a pro tool. I agree not using free tools is a problem. But FPGAs in general are a problem with free and libre designs. Free FPGA tools need a lot of improvement to become as powerful as the proprietary tools. I'm confident that we will get there at some point in the future. BTW,

Re: [Freetel-codec2] SM3000 comment time

2020-07-22 Thread Glen English
Hi Steve I did a google and found this : https://kicad-pcb.org/external-tools/altium2kicad/ On 22/07/2020 23:00, Steve wrote: On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 7:28 AM Tomas Härdin wrote: So anyone wanting to develop or modify the SM3000 would need to install two pieces of proprietary software with

Re: [Freetel-codec2] SM3000 comment time

2020-07-22 Thread Glen English
Hi Tomas discussion moved to the new forum. Hope to see you there. however : yes, pro tools- if you want to compete with the pros, then you got to use the pro tools. if codec2, freeDV  etc wants to compete for head space with the japanese radios and the speech codec chip owners, that's the

Re: [Freetel-codec2] SM3000 comment time

2020-07-22 Thread Steve
On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 7:28 AM Tomas Härdin wrote: > > So anyone wanting to develop or modify the SM3000 would need to install > two pieces of proprietary software with considerable strings attached? Does the Altium have a KiCad export mode? ___

Re: [Freetel-codec2] SM3000 comment time

2020-07-22 Thread Tomas Härdin
sön 2020-07-19 klockan 09:25 +1000 skrev glen english: > I am designing an SM3000, and now is the time for input from users. > (input request below) > > [...] > > I have chosen the Xilinx Zynq XC7007S hybrid CortexA9 / FPGA . The > single core will give us 7x the computational power of the

Re: [Freetel-codec2] SM3000 comment time

2020-07-19 Thread glen english
Hi Bruce maybe, down the track- after the initial SM3000. still needs the FPGA. Pi could talk to the ZYNQ SM3000 PCB on USB . There is plenty of BW on the USB. On 20/07/2020 7:50 am, Bruce Perens via Freetel-codec2 wrote: Why don't you make a Raspberry Pi daughter board? It gives people

Re: [Freetel-codec2] SM3000 comment time

2020-07-19 Thread Bruce Perens via Freetel-codec2
Why don't you make a Raspberry Pi daughter board? It gives people some latitude in choosing how much compute they want, and it's a lot less expensive than most compute solutions you could put together. It provides ethernet, Wi-Fi, lots of USB, lots of undedicated I/O. And they will upgrade faster

Re: [Freetel-codec2] SM3000 comment time

2020-07-19 Thread glen english
Altium 20. On 20/07/2020 7:33 am, Steve wrote: Is this going to be a KiCAD project? ___ Freetel-codec2 mailing list Freetel-codec2@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freetel-codec2 -- Glen English RF Communications

Re: [Freetel-codec2] SM3000 comment time

2020-07-19 Thread Steve
Is this going to be a KiCAD project? ___ Freetel-codec2 mailing list Freetel-codec2@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freetel-codec2

Re: [Freetel-codec2] SM3000 comment time

2020-07-19 Thread glen english
Hi Don great to have your skills. they are ideal... Agreed on the form factor. I liked the SM1000 idea. The question is do we do a board that can fit in SM1000 case ? I'd like to. That solves the problems for the ham without metalwork facilities. The board will have headers for different

Re: [Freetel-codec2] SM3000 comment time

2020-07-19 Thread glen english
Hi Greg Thanks for the  comments. Oh yes there will not be any QT ! I agree on larger RAM on prototypes, and that is generally what I do on commercial product. I'll stay with the Xilinx current Buildroot distro so it has feel of linux and the FS. Yes enough RAM to do the job and a bit, plus

Re: [Freetel-codec2] SM3000 comment time

2020-07-19 Thread Steven Pemberton
My 2c worth... Regardless of the hardware, consider making the form factor as close as possible to a standard hand Mic. With plastic shell, nice PTT button on the side, simplified cabling, etc. Assuming that one aim is to be a drop in replacement for existing mics. This would also need doco to

Re: [Freetel-codec2] SM3000 comment time

2020-07-19 Thread Mike O'Connor
On 19/7/20 6:06 pm, glen english wrote: > Hi Mike > > Linux in the ZYNQ is instant on, well almost, 0.5  - 1 sec boot. > > The distros used are usually Buildroot based, The idea is to keep it > as close as possible to the PC mainline. > > FPGA accelerators can be abstracted out as software modules

Re: [Freetel-codec2] SM3000 comment time

2020-07-19 Thread glen english
Hi Mike Linux in the ZYNQ is instant on, well almost, 0.5  - 1 sec boot. The distros used are usually Buildroot based, The idea is to keep it as close as possible to the PC mainline. FPGA accelerators can be abstracted out as software modules on the PC Even the small $15 FPGA can  'wipe the

Re: [Freetel-codec2] SM3000 comment time

2020-07-19 Thread Mike O'Connor
On 19/7/20 4:48 pm, glen english wrote: > What I want to achieve is a instant on, plug and play solution with > digital radio /front panel upgrade path. > > In the spirit of the SM1000.  Turn on and it is ready 1 second later > .  Just load the image and no more to do. > > This is the way to drive

Re: [Freetel-codec2] SM3000 comment time

2020-07-19 Thread glen english
What I want to achieve is a instant on, plug and play solution with digital radio /front panel upgrade path. In the spirit of the SM1000.  Turn on and it is ready 1 second later .  Just load the image and no more to do. This is the way to drive uptake and broad usage. and no issues like Pi

Re: [Freetel-codec2] SM3000 comment time

2020-07-19 Thread Mike O'Connor
Hi all I'm no expert but the Pi board and there like are fairly noisy from an RF point of view. Could this be a problem ? Regards Mike On 19/7/20 3:06 pm, Al Beard wrote: > *I second your thoughts Steve,* > * > * > *Start with a 64bit Pi of any flavour such as the Odroid N2 or Pi 4B.* >

Re: [Freetel-codec2] SM3000 comment time

2020-07-18 Thread Al Beard
I second your thoughts Steve, Start with a 64bit Pi of any flavour such as the Odroid N2 or Pi 4B. Connect to the FPGA with USB3 or i2c whatever. Also, can we make use of the GPU if there is OpenCL support? Perhaps select a Pi or other ARM SBC with OpenCL support. I'd buy one. We may not need

Re: [Freetel-codec2] SM3000 comment time

2020-07-18 Thread Steve
Disclaimer: I don't own one I really like simple touchscreen GUI for fat fingers, and the DTV (Potsdown) boys have a pretty simple design. While I think the SM1000 case and design were good, the first thing I did was pull the board out and put it in a big box with a Raspberry Pi. I find the menu

Re: [Freetel-codec2] SM3000 comment time

2020-07-18 Thread Glen English
Hi Mooneer thanks for the input. For not much extra money we can get the dual core XC7Z010 , and about 15% more fabric resources. Now, this is not  a free lunch, and I doubt we would have the dissipation capability to make this thing easy to get the heat away running two cores at 100%. I

Re: [Freetel-codec2] SM3000 comment time

2020-07-18 Thread Mooneer Salem
Seems like there are still limits on the FPGA side if it's desired to use OSS toolchains for it. For instance, SymbiFlow is missing Xilinx DSP support per https://symbiflow.github.io/. Do we foresee that to be an issue? Anyway, personally, I'd go with 128MB RAM/64-128MB flash to enable future

[Freetel-codec2] SM3000 comment time

2020-07-18 Thread glen english
I am designing an SM3000, and now is the time for input from users. (input request below) * Design Goals : High computational capability : So that our modems and codecs as they become more advanced, are less constrained by the STM32F4 platform. Platform to be Linux so that development,