Re: [FRIAM] And speaking of levels of heaven

Hi, Jack. If I had it to do all over again I would quite possibly work in the field of cosmology in one regard or another. I'm envious of those who do work in cosmology-related fields.. At last year's SuperComputing conference I had the privilege of meeting George Smoot, Noble prize winner for p

Re: [FRIAM] And speaking of levels of heaven

Doug, May I boast for a minute that my wife, retired from NASA, worked on the HUBBLE and WMAPS. The deep field picture and many other Hubble pics were made possible by her group. She was an analyst and programmer in those projects. A number of those pics, such as the deep field one, are in

[FRIAM] My Orthodoxy is more orthodox than your Orthodoxy!

You couldn't make this stuff up: http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=6215153 Instead of strengthening their claim to Edicule, they are now subject to Redicule. Yes, I know there is a misspelling in the above. -- Doug Roberts, RTI International [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [FRIAM] Obama/proposition 8

No, that is not what I was suggesting, Roger. Dissent within the LDS is a proven fact: witness the FLDS/LDS split. What I was trying to say was that if your suggestion that a monetary incentive be provided to create a schism within the LDS religion, where the intent is for one faction was to as

Re: [FRIAM] Obama/proposition 8

Doug -- I'm not questioning your experience, but you seem to assert that dissent in the LDS is impossible. Yet Google found 37,500 results for a search on "prop 8 lds dissent" when I searched, after reading your first reply, to see if I had misundertood what I was talking about. -- rec -- On Su

[FRIAM] And speaking of levels of heaven

Here's a nice, long glimpse back towards our beginnings. *Much* further back than 6.000 years ago, I might add. All the way back to when our observable universe was a mere 2 billion hears old. You should pull down the image & stare at all the galaxy dots for a minute or two. It's good for the

Re: [FRIAM] Obama/proposition 8

Hey, Roger. I lived up there near SLC for three years, right in the heart of Mormon country. I actually know quite a bit about their beliefs and practices -- both the good and the bad. For those interested in an excellent in-depth book on the history of the Mormon religion, I recommend "Under T

Re: [FRIAM] Obama/proposition 8

I don't know, Doug, why don't you read this Salt Lake Tribune story about dissent within the LDS, and tell me who's making snap decisions based on doctrine. http://www.sltrib.com/lds/ci_10797630 -- rec -- On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Douglas Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > I don't know,

Re: [FRIAM] Obama/proposition 8

I don't know, Roger. The LDS indoctrination machine is one of the more efficient operations that exists these days. It seems to supply a fairy tale that is particularly beguiling to a certain type of personality. Once that vision of sugar plums and seven levels of heaven is planted, it seems nea

Re: [FRIAM] Obama/proposition 8

I think someone should contribute $30,000,000 to foment a schism in the Church of the Latter Day Saints based on their internal conflicts on this issue. -- rec -- On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Orlando Leibovitz < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Owen, > > In my opinion the word marriage should no

Re: [FRIAM] Obama/proposition 8

Owen, In my opinion the word marriage should not be removed. I believe that civil marriage should be available to all consenting adults. Various religions can then do as they please. If, in fact, this is a civil rights (constitutional) issue then religions that violate civil liberties should,

Re: [FRIAM] Obama/proposition 8

Consider also the relligions that have.supported and do sanctify same-sex marriages, without regard for, indeed in spite of, the legal status of such unions, e.g. the Meetings of Friends (Quakers). On 11/9/08, Owen Densmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Nov 9, 2008, at 12:09 AM, Orlando Leibo

Re: [FRIAM] Obama/proposition 8

On Nov 9, 2008, at 12:09 AM, Orlando Leibovitz wrote: ... In my opinion this is not a marriage issue, it is a civil rights issue. And there you have the problem in a nutshell. "Gay marriage" confounds the two. One the one hand, the word "marriage" creates considerable angst on gay issue

Re: [FRIAM] Obama/proposition 8

This is clearly a civil rights issue. But unfortunately, I think that some of the black community and some of the Hispanic community voted for Prop. 8 reflecting some of their less progressive traditional values, in spite of their strong turn out for Obama. Prop. 8 is probably unconstitution