Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

2013-04-04 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Again, acting in my capacity as the Village Pragmatist, I would assert that science is the only procedure capable of producing lasting consensus. The other methods various forms of torture, mostly ... do not produce such enduring results. N -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:fri

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-04 Thread Edward Angel
You can specify directories or back up the whole disk. Being a little cheap and having 3 computers on my account, I don't back up the OS or some aps that are easy to reload. You pay by the how much space you use for up to three computers on the basic plan. I think carbonite is about the same. E

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-04 Thread Owen Densmore
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Edward Angel wrote: > I'm pretty simplistic about it and use mozy. My computers are backed up > automatically and I don't spend any time thinking about it. The two times > there was a failure of their data base on my machine getting corrupted, > they were able to r

Re: [FRIAM] iClarified - Apple News - Apple Extends Smartphone Market Share Lead Over Samsung [Chart]

2013-04-04 Thread Owen Densmore
.. but I think this will change the stats: http://www.iclarified.com/28870/watch-the-first-facebook-home-ad-video Amazing: Facebook/Android adds are a'coming! -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30

[FRIAM] Fwd: iClarified - Apple News - Apple Extends Smartphone Market Share Lead Over Samsung [Chart]

2013-04-04 Thread Owen Densmore
I find this a bit hard to believe .. I thought Android was more dominant. I think the numbers are off, but.. http://www.iclarified.com/28871/apple-extends-smartphone-market-share-lead-over-samsung-chart ..sez: Apple has extended its smartphone market share lead over Samsung and is closing th

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

2013-04-04 Thread Steve Smith
Just one small teensy note of clarification: I usually only insult people who disagree with me when they are/have been complete assholes about it. Which fortunately narrows the field down a bit. -Doug I can testify to this, as I disagree with Doug often and he only insults me when he's bei

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

2013-04-04 Thread Gillian Densmore
your certain kind of zeel would make for a great sith lord- Just need to figure out how get you intune with the force enough to get people to come attend at the new sith temple On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote: > Doug if I may observe that you and Howl(sp) seem to have a gr

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

2013-04-04 Thread Gillian Densmore
Doug if I may observe that you and Howl(sp) seem to have a great noes for asshoelery though in your case from what I can tell your ire for at least google and people not linux friendly goes up almost instantly. On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote: > Just one small teensy note o

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

2013-04-04 Thread Gillian Densmore
I think the church of satan grotos do that. Maybe we can start a sith and or jedi temple. On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote: > I personally find it disappointing that so many people are willing to > adopt a belief set with no evidence, based solely on what someone said was >

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

2013-04-04 Thread Douglas Roberts
Just one small teensy note of clarification: I usually only insult people who disagree with me when they are/have been complete assholes about it. Which fortunately narrows the field down a bit. -Doug On Apr 4, 2013 6:11 PM, "glen" wrote: > Douglas Roberts wrote at 04/04/2013 04:45 PM: > > I wa

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

2013-04-04 Thread glen
Douglas Roberts wrote at 04/04/2013 04:45 PM: > I was using "evidence" in the scientific sense, You say that as if everyone agrees on the scientific sense of the term, which of course they don't. Even reputable scientists disagree on what constitutes evidence. I know you're willing to insult an

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

2013-04-04 Thread Douglas Roberts
I'm guessing I would have liked your dad, Steve. --Doug On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 5:45 PM, Steve Smith wrote: > Doug - > > On a related note, now would appear to be an excellent time to start a > church, impose mandatory weekly attendance upon the faithful, and charge > $20 a head at the door ea

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

2013-04-04 Thread Steve Smith
Doug - On a related note, now would appear to be an excellent time to start a church, impose mandatory weekly attendance upon the faithful, and charge $20 a head at the door each week. Clearly you haven't been to FRIAM (in person) lately... you are in arrears on your dues! We'll take it out of

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

2013-04-04 Thread Douglas Roberts
Well, I suppose. I was using "evidence" in the scientific sense, rather than the political one, or the one which so many idiots prefer to use which could loosely defined as "I choose to believe, so there is plenty of evidence to support my belief." --Doug On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 5:37 PM, glen wr

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

2013-04-04 Thread glen
Douglas Roberts wrote at 04/04/2013 04:21 PM: > I personally find it disappointing that so many people are willing to adopt > a belief set with no evidence, based solely on what someone said was The > Truth. Yeah, but the real problem is equivocation around the word "evidence". -- =><= glen e. p

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

2013-04-04 Thread Douglas Roberts
I personally find it disappointing that so many people are willing to adopt a belief set with no evidence, based solely on what someone said was The Truth. On a related note, now would appear to be an excellent time to start a church, impose mandatory weekly attendance upon the faithful, and charg

Re: [FRIAM] John Resig - Asm.js: The JavaScript Compile Target

2013-04-04 Thread Owen Densmore
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 3:00 PM, cody dooderson wrote: > It says asm.js only uses numbers. There are no strings or objects. Is that > true? I think that might be hard to use. > Yup. At this point they would have you push "structs" into the TypedArrays the same way webgl does, when you interleave

[FRIAM] Silicon Valley of South America

2013-04-04 Thread Gary Schiltz
Maybe just a pipe dream at this point, but maybe I can have my cake and eat it too: http://www.cuencahighlife.com/post/2013/03/31/Ecuadore28099s-ambitious-e28098City-of-Knowledgee28099-project-aims-at-attracting-the-worlde28099s-top-talent.aspx Since I live a couple of hours from there, I'll be

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

2013-04-04 Thread Steve Smith
Nick - There are two kinds of people in the world, those who take Gullibility to excess and those who take Skepticism to excess. I happen to be of the third kind, one who tends to take *both* to excess... I'm not sure if that helps me get on the world, but I'm not sure I have a choice anymo

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

2013-04-04 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Yes but ... I didn't believe Watergate the first few times I heard about it, either. "You aren't telling me that a president that was going to win an election in a walk actually sent Burglars into the Democratic Headquarters?" I just could not believe that they could be so stupid. I fell for

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

2013-04-04 Thread Douglas Roberts
There are a surprising number of them on facebook, Nick. To nobody's great surprise, I guess. --Doug On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Nicholas Thompson < nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote: > Doug, > > ** ** > > Somebody laid the chemtrails thing on me the other day … an otherwise > perfectl

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

2013-04-04 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Doug, Somebody laid the chemtrails thing on me the other day . an otherwise perfectly sensible neighbor . and I was left standing in the street with my jaw hanging open. What do you say when somebody your sort of like, touches you on the upper arm, points skyward and says, "Call me nuts, but

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

2013-04-04 Thread Steve Smith
Ron - I get your point, Doug. I had to suppress the desire to roll my eyes when once I met someone who looked up at the sky and spoke confidently of chemtrails. I generally feel the same way, and this is usually abutted with something about crop circles and maybe a reference to the grassy kno

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

2013-04-04 Thread Gillian Densmore
All this contrasery over the sigh. I think sigh and sighing is a good thing it can lead to interesting conversations. :P On 4/4/13, Ron Newman wrote: > I get your point, Doug. I had to suppress the desire to roll my eyes when > once I met someone who looked up at the sky and spoke confidently of

Re: [FRIAM] John Resig - Asm.js: The JavaScript Compile Target

2013-04-04 Thread cody dooderson
It says asm.js only uses numbers. There are no strings or objects. Is that true? I think that might be hard to use. On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Barry MacKichan < barry.mackic...@mackichan.com> wrote: > I read the first half of their tutorial last night. I looks that they have > attacked one

Re: [FRIAM] Woo

2013-04-04 Thread glen
Interesting. I suppose I'm guilty of dysrhetorica, here. My intention in describing my friend who is now receiving acupuncture was to orient the conversation towards _action_ and away from thoughts about Truth. I tend to try telling stories of my actual experience with actual people and events

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

2013-04-04 Thread Bruce Sherwood
There have also been scientific studies involving something called that "nocebo" effect, in which expectations of harm are self-fulfilling. I apologize that I can't at the moment find references to the following two examples. People who felt themselves sensitive or insensitive to cell phone radiat

[FRIAM] Woo

2013-04-04 Thread Steve Smith
I think the distinction is about *confirmation bias*? If you assume that placebo effects are in some way *bad* and that we need to seek ways to predict their effect waning or seek to determine when and how to "burst the placebo bubble" most gently then that is what we will find... examples of

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

2013-04-04 Thread glen
Roger Critchlow wrote at 04/04/2013 11:37 AM: > you often see what you look for. I'll raise you and assert that you _always_ see what you look for ... which takes me back to Kauffman's paper and his failure to cite Robert Rosen's treatment of anticipatory systems (aka final cause). Our expectati

Re: [FRIAM] Woo

2013-04-04 Thread Steve Smith
Glen - I always ask them why they feel the need to take a class? Just jump in and start doing it. Why not just buy a guitar and start banging on it? Why do you feel the need to "take a class"? They always answer with weird (to me) justificationism and excuses. "I'm not disciplined enough."

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

2013-04-04 Thread Ron Newman
I get your point, Doug. I had to suppress the desire to roll my eyes when once I met someone who looked up at the sky and spoke confidently of chemtrails. I'm reminded of something Joseph Campbell said - who looked as deeply into the beliefs of human beings across history as anyone. He said that

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

2013-04-04 Thread Roger Critchlow
I've restricted my participation in this discussion because I started a new schedule of medications yesterday and I wasn't sure whence my enthusiasm came. That's sort of a transcebo effect, everything I take appears to have subtle side effects, but appearances can be deceiving, and you often see w

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

2013-04-04 Thread Bruce Sherwood
Actually, I think there is active scientific research trying to understand the placebo effect, because the effect and its benefits have been well documented. As Feynman points out, better understanding could lead to improved placebo effect. Bruce On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Ron Newman wrote

Re: [FRIAM] Woo

2013-04-04 Thread glen
Steve Smith wrote at 04/04/2013 11:04 AM: > They have something to talk about with like minded > people and even "professionals" who will assure them that their symptoms > are as real as the cures being offered. This seems spot on to me. In a similar vein, I know so many people who express their

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

2013-04-04 Thread glen
Ron Newman wrote at 04/04/2013 10:57 AM: > But you're missing the point.: *something* is working for them if they > believe it is, and is not for you or anyone who doesn't believe it is. The > question is how does it work? No, that's not good enough, because it too > easily leads back to prematu

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

2013-04-04 Thread Douglas Roberts
Well shoot, as long as we're talking about irrational belief sets, how about if we throw chemtrails into the mix. There is a not insignificant segment of the US population who fervently believe that "they" are poisoning us, on purpose. But only on those days that the jets leave con ... er ... chem

[FRIAM] Woo

2013-04-04 Thread Steve Smith
Ron- If the placebo is double blind I've heard the percentage shoots up. But the fact remains that a mere thought, or belief, is affecting something. If science were untainted that would be the basis for massive investigation. I like your point. When I first recognized the significance of a

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

2013-04-04 Thread Ron Newman
But you're missing the point.: *something* is working for them if they believe it is, and is not for you or anyone who doesn't believe it is. The question is how does it work? No, that's not good enough, because it too easily leads back to premature assumptions. The question is: how can placeb

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

2013-04-04 Thread glen
Barry MacKichan wrote at 04/04/2013 10:29 AM: > I've heard it is very effective, but only for a time until the > patient discovers it is a placebo. Call it the Lincoln effect ("You > can fool all of …."). A friend of mine announced that she's now getting acupuncture for her chronic back and neck p

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

2013-04-04 Thread Ron Newman
If the placebo is double blind I've heard the percentage shoots up. But the fact remains that a mere thought, or belief, is affecting something. If science were untainted that would be the basis for massive investigation. On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Barry MacKichan < barry.mackic...@mackic

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

2013-04-04 Thread Barry MacKichan
I've heard it is very effective, but only for a time until the patient discovers it is a placebo. Call it the Lincoln effect ("You can fool all of …."). --Barry On Apr 4, 2013, at 11:14 AM, Ron Newman wrote: > There's no money in it (actually, there's a lot of money in it) but the > effects

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending

2013-04-04 Thread Ron Newman
I agree with Feynman. Sort of, with a caveat to follow after a short digression. What about the placebo effect, a standard reference for FDA approval of medications? There's no money in it (actually, there's a lot of money in it) but the effects - 30% efficacy I heard once - are impressive, wit

Re: [FRIAM] John Resig - Asm.js: The JavaScript Compile Target

2013-04-04 Thread Barry MacKichan
I read the first half of their tutorial last night. I looks that they have attacked one of the weak points of C++ in a componentized world -- making sure that pointers don't outlive the object they are pointing to, even when passed to unknown (at compile time) functions and marshaled to other pr

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Browser market share

2013-04-04 Thread Douglas Roberts
Owen, Yes, Netflix is implemented with HTML5 on the Samsung (ARM) Chromebook. Could you see Google allowing a M$ solution on one of their products? Originally, Google & Netflix were going to implement the app for the cb with NACL, but apparently changed their minds. -Doug On Apr 3, 2013 10:00 P

[FRIAM] Thrusters powered by ionic wind as efficient alternative propulsion technology -- huge solar powered high altitude airships could spiral into orbit in a week, using their own H2 gas for reacti

2013-04-04 Thread Rich Murray
Thrusters powered by ionic wind as efficient alternative propulsion technology -- huge solar powered high altitude airships could spiral into orbit in a week, using their own H2 gas as reaction mass for myriad tiny thrusters: Rich Murray 2013.04.04 http://phys.org/news/2013-04-thrusters-powered-i