Re: [FRIAM] Extended sense of The Commons

2014-01-15 Thread Bela Patkai
Marcus G. Daniels wrote: I prefer the sort of coercive liberal agendas like I advocate, because I think I make it clear when I have an axe to grind. I'm not sure about the meta self-knowledge of these local community organizers. I am suspicious they may be bullies in disguise, but just so

Re: [FRIAM] Extended sense of The Commons

2014-01-15 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
On 1/15/14, 3:59 AM, Bela Patkai wrote: This comment reminds me of Lampedusa's Leopard, who was characterized somewhere in the novel as The prince did not wish to help with that noble cause as he was fully aware of his handicap of not being able to dominate/bully people efficiently. [Quote is

[FRIAM] Fascism?

2014-01-15 Thread glen
On 01/14/2014 07:45 PM, Steve Smith wrote: Berkeley, the center of uber-liberalism, has become, in it's collective character and in it's specific approach to governing, quite fascist... despite applying it to a very liberal agenda. I think we've discussed this before, but perhaps only off

Re: [FRIAM] Extended sense of The Commons

2014-01-15 Thread Steve Smith
Bela/Marcus- This comment reminds me of Lampedusa's Leopard, who was characterized somewhere in the novel as The prince did not wish to help with that noble cause as he was fully aware of his handicap of not being able to dominate/bully people efficiently. [Quote is from memory.] Good

[FRIAM] return of the flying pelaton

2014-01-15 Thread Roger Critchlow
In Nature today http://www.nature.com/news/v-is-for-vortex-1.14507, http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v505/n7483/full/505295a.html, and http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v505/n7483/full/nature12939.html describe instrumenting juvenile northern bald ibis raised in captivity to measure their

Re: [FRIAM] Fascism?

2014-01-15 Thread Robert J. Cordingley
In 1944 George Orwell wrote What is Fascism http://orwell.ru/library/articles/As_I_Please/english/efasc . Has anything really changed - tho' the bit about Catholics seems a tad harsh? On 1/15/14 10:17 AM, glen wrote: On 01/14/2014 07:45 PM, Steve Smith wrote: Berkeley, the center of

Re: [FRIAM] Fascism?

2014-01-15 Thread glen
On 01/15/2014 11:39 AM, Robert J. Cordingley wrote: In 1944 George Orwell wrote What is Fascism http://orwell.ru/library/articles/As_I_Please/english/efasc . Has anything really changed - tho' the bit about Catholics seems a tad harsh? I don't know if anything's changed. But I like Eco's

Re: [FRIAM] Fascism?

2014-01-15 Thread Arlo Barnes
It seems one has to infer what fascism is from societies that have been called by someone at some point 'fascist', along with an evaluation of whether it was an accurate characterisation at the time (which is somewhat paradoxical). A friend of mine claims a necessary but not sufficient condition

Re: [FRIAM] right vs left

2014-01-15 Thread Gillian Densmore
Hmm I thought to be a Libertarian you needed to know the Duodecimal system, able to stamp books with a rubber date stamp, and promise to return books on time. And if you work for the unseen university be good with penuts. (Rimshot) On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 10:30 AM, glen g...@ropella.name wrote:

Re: [FRIAM] Fascism?

2014-01-15 Thread glen
On 01/15/2014 12:34 PM, Arlo Barnes wrote: A friend of mine claims a necessary but not sufficient condition is that there is a strong corporate involvement in government, like all the contractors (IBM among them) in WWII. I've often agreed with this. But I'm starting to disagree because our

Re: [FRIAM] Fascism?

2014-01-15 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
On 1/15/14, 2:36 PM, glen wrote: But I'm starting to disagree because our growth toward global government has been (is) much slower than our growth toward multi-national corporations. Yes, it got even worse! Marcus FRIAM Applied

Re: [FRIAM] Fascism?

2014-01-15 Thread Arlo Barnes
While a distinction should be drawn between the Federation of Planets (which has taken over government of Earth, in addition to being the coalition between Earth and planets like Vulcan) and Starfleet. The first is pretty lax, and they hint at some sort of utopian society with ecological

Re: [FRIAM] right vs left

2014-01-15 Thread Arlo Barnes
That is Dewey decimal system, unless you were making a pun that went over my head. Duodecimal is base 12. -Arlo James Barnes FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe

Re: [FRIAM] right vs left

2014-01-15 Thread Gillian Densmore
I can't think of when I'm not puny. And yes it might have On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Arlo Barnes arlo.bar...@gmail.com wrote: That is Dewey decimal system, unless you were making a pun that went over my head. Duodecimal is base 12. -Arlo James Barnes

Re: [FRIAM] Fascism?

2014-01-15 Thread Steve Smith
Glen - I think we've discussed this before, but perhaps only off list. In fact we have! Now's my chance to throw down the gauntlet publicly. ;-) I choose sabres, ceasing at first blood, It will be gentlemanly if you would leave my remaining good eye intact... I was trained in the foil,

Re: [FRIAM] Extended sense of The Commons

2014-01-15 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
On 1/15/14, 10:30 AM, Steve Smith wrote: Become homo hiveus... and homo hiveus cannot bear homo sapiens to continue to exist. What are the forms of quorum sensing we have begun to exhibit? 1) yes, like apoptosis of cancer cells.. 2) it is not just abstract or subtle features. I'll direct

Re: [FRIAM] Fascism?

2014-01-15 Thread Nick Thompson
Funny. I wouldn’t have thought you guys were realists. Yet, you have publicly committed to the notion that there is an essence of “fascism,” beyond experience, to which only one of you is faithful in your use of the word. Rich philosophical stuff! Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus

[FRIAM] Net neutrality?

2014-01-15 Thread Gillian Densmore
http://www.popsci.com/article/gadgets/what-know-about-net-neutrality-ruling?src=SOCdom=fb FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe

Re: [FRIAM] [WedTech] Net neutrality?

2014-01-15 Thread Owen Densmore
The real issue is not neutrality but QoS -- Quality of Service. I *want* my heart surgeon to have higher bandwidth and lower latency than my TiVo/NetFlix. QoS, both bandwidth and latency, needs to be properly doled out between the services that actually need it. -- Owen On Wed, Jan 15,

Re: [FRIAM] [WedTech] Net neutrality?

2014-01-15 Thread Gillian Densmore
As the JR Densmore I'd rather you no more than 300 clicks from a heart surgeon- that is unless it'd be fatally dumb to be that from one. I'll see your QOS and up it: this is a 2x sword: on one side,cybermesa has moral, and legal grounds to block botnets (for example) if they opt to do so, on the

Re: [FRIAM] [WedTech] Net neutrality?

2014-01-15 Thread Robert J. Cordingley
I don't know. Suppose ATT, Verizon etc get into the travel business*. How easy do you suppose it would be to access Expedia*? The current issue appears to be about whether the FCC has jurisdiction over setting the rules for net neutrality. Let's hope they get/claim it back so that big media

Re: [FRIAM] Net neutrality?

2014-01-15 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
On 1/15/14, 9:30 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote: http://www.popsci.com/article/gadgets/what-know-about-net-neutrality-ruling?src=SOCdom=fb Do we want to pay more for a commons, to foster access and innovation? Is it progressive to give a competitive advantage to big companies that can pay