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From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf
Of glen e. p. ropella
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:28 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Mind-Body (was: The Psychology Of Yogurt)
Well, you've gone _way_ beyond
Steve Smith wrote circa 11-09-20 12:18 PM:
> So breaking out of this strange anecdote... I guess I should just ask..
> Is this what you are calling key to mind? Identity?
Sort of. I am interested in the robustness of the subjective identity.
But I'm also, and much more, interested in objective
Glen,
You covered a lot of ground in this email, and I'm struggling to figure out how
to respond. I can't address everything, but I can make a few points.
A) The point of the analogy with the 'solveability' of computers was merely to
point out that people often assert there are big mysteries in s
Nick (from a private conversation with you, hereby taken public) -
The subject is, Is there anything about the emergence of any higher
order property, behavior, etc., that is a Mystery … a question not
likely to be dissipated by the stubborn advance of ordinary science.
Ah... this is a well-p
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Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Mind-Body (was: The Psychology Of Yogurt)
[...]
Medically, this Big Question flows down into questions like:
1) Does a person's identity change after a stroke? Or the onset of
Alzheimer's? Parkinson's? C
Glen -
Now, I'm not suggesting that the mind is generated by something other
than the body. All I'm doing is avoiding conviction within a particular
conclusion[*]. I believe that the body is a medium for the mind (there
may be other media). In that, we agree. But I am not so arrogant to
say t
Well, needless to say, I completely disagree. First, the analogy with
computers and "solveability" is so completely fallacious it boggles my
mind. My head just about exploded when I read that. ;-) We have a
formalism (more than one, actually) and a set of theorems regarding the
universality of s
ger that!
To channel Eric, here. Yes there are mysteries, but there is no Mystery.
Best,
Nick
From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of
Jochen Fromm
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:20 AM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Mind-Body
gger that!
To channel Eric, here. Yes there are mysteries, but there is no Mystery.
Best,
Nick
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*On Behalf Of *Jochen Fromm
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:20 AM
*To:* friam@redfish.com
*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Mind-Bo
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> Behalf Of *Jochen Fromm
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:20 AM
> *To:* friam@redfish.com
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Mind-Body (was: The Psychology Of Yogurt)
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> If the mind-body problem is solved
] On Behalf Of
Jochen Fromm
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:20 AM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Mind-Body (was: The Psychology Of Yogurt)
If the mind-body problem is solved, we can say how the mind emerges from the
body, i.e. from the interactions of billions of neurons and
Well... yes and no.
To keep my metaphor in the 'P.S.' going, we
also can't say exactly how a computer could solve every solvable problem... but
that doesn't mean there is a Big Question 'solveability' mystery still around.
Instead there
are many little mysteries: How would this particular problem
If the mind-body problem is solved, we can say how the mind emerges from the
body, i.e. from the interactions of billions of neurons and joghurt cells. Can
we?
-J.
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"ERIC P. CHARLES" wrote:
Nick,
In his last paper, "William James as a Psychologist," Holt tells us that the
Nick,
In his last paper, "William James as a Psychologist," Holt tells us that the
William James was never one to shun contradictions, and that the one
outstanding contradiction in psychology is: The mind seems dependent upon the
body, while the mind also seems independent of the body.
Traditiona
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