Re: [FRIAM] Nautilus: Investing Is More Luck Than Talent

2017-01-19 Thread Robert Wall
I am with you there Marcus. We all have to decide where the truth lies (no pun intended).  Listing to multiple news sources is the best way when one has the time to do it. I have at least a dozen go-to news sources that all seem to provide different, if not conflicting points of view. I don't

Re: [FRIAM] Nautilus: Investing Is More Luck Than Talent

2017-01-19 Thread Marcus Daniels
"Do you think Al Jazeera is also not worth listening to either?" I used to watch it more, not so much lately. I got the impression that the English version was not representative. I don't think it is directly comparable to RT. Lately Der Spiegel is relevant to my concerns, and the

Re: [FRIAM] Nautilus: Investing Is More Luck Than Talent

2017-01-19 Thread Robert Wall
> > It is a double standard and a failure of imagination to think that > ​ ...​ > Hillary Clinton? RT? Though the initial response you gave seemed to be on topic or near it, regretfully, you seemed to have gotten side-tracked by other things in my prose about it. And so, to me at least, you

Re: [FRIAM] Nautilus: Investing Is More Luck Than Talent

2017-01-19 Thread Steven A Smith
Robert - Being open-minded does not mean you are brainwashed. Quite the opposite I would think ... I don't know if this is responsive to your specific intent, but when I first heard it, it was a powerful point and fit *way* too many people I know who *purport* to be "open minded" (after

Re: [FRIAM] Nautilus: Investing Is More Luck Than Talent

2017-01-19 Thread Robert Wall
> > P.S. RT is the Russian Propaganda news outlet. Of course, they'd have > their own motives for wanting to diminish Chinese power. I think you should try to understand it before you castigate it as Russian propaganda. I know it is popular in the MSM to press this canard--as the MSM is

Re: [FRIAM] ready for a bonfire?

2017-01-19 Thread Marcus Daniels
Some of the obvious choices there have suspicious or known-bad advocacy with regard to political candidates. Nunes would be fine, but she's Brazilian. Anyway, as usual, you are hung-up on fair play. -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen

Re: [FRIAM] ready for a bonfire?

2017-01-19 Thread glen ☣
Heh, they don't need to use their teeth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8VhtmFDzxg On 01/19/2017 12:26 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > “There may be a similar (over)reaction of yet another kind this round, but I > am not seeing it yet? I don't think the MegaWoman March is an example of >

Re: [FRIAM] ready for a bonfire?

2017-01-19 Thread Marcus Daniels
“There may be a similar (over)reaction of yet another kind this round, but I am not seeing it yet? I don't think the MegaWoman March is an example of that, but the Trumpians seem to think it is an offense... as if they are coming to dc to tear Trump off his podium and shred him with their

Re: [FRIAM] ready for a bonfire?

2017-01-19 Thread Steven A Smith
On 1/19/17 10:47 AM, glen ☣ wrote: I know it's offensive and disrespectful of me to feel this way, and especially to express it publicly. But part of me is excited about the possibility of this happening ... not necessarily excited in a good way... more like an adrenaline+cortisol sort of

Re: [FRIAM] ready for a bonfire?

2017-01-19 Thread glen ☣
I know, right? But pointing out fallacies in someone's reasoning rarely works. And, to be fair, fallacies are fallacious anyway: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fallacy_fallacy ... shout out to the other thread. >8^) A^¬A Hail Eris! On 01/19/2017 10:53 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > "When he

Re: [FRIAM] ready for a bonfire?

2017-01-19 Thread Marcus Daniels
"When he retired, we yapped over half-done yard work about how corporatism and shareholder-first mentality destroyed his work environment." So, obviously, the thing to do is to vote to put corporate CEO types in charge of everything! Marcus

Re: [FRIAM] Cold War Jitters Resurface as U.S. Marines Arrive in Norway - The New York Times

2017-01-19 Thread cody dooderson
Kim, Given our recent history, I would guess that the US is more likely to invade Norway for it's oil than Russia is. Cody Smith On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 9:48 AM, Owen Densmore wrote: > I think Kim's response bounced so I'm remailing it here: > > *From:* Kim Sorvig

Re: [FRIAM] ready for a bonfire?

2017-01-19 Thread glen ☣
I'm struggling with being respectful to my neighbor, who voted for Trump. He's a relatively moderate Fundamentalist Christian. When he retired, we yapped over half-done yard work about how corporatism and shareholder-first mentality destroyed his work environment. He's given me Christian

Re: [FRIAM] ready for a bonfire?

2017-01-19 Thread Gillian Densmore
(without spamming this) For example: why is it even a question to have a national health system? Honor says it's not. Just provide something fucking awsome. On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 11:03 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote: > What bothers me is why is it even a question about

Re: [FRIAM] ready for a bonfire?

2017-01-19 Thread Gillian Densmore
What bothers me is why is it even a question about doing the right thing? oO Honor is honor and n my mind is their no question that by being respectul, friendly and helpful to your neighbores you will have alies for when YOU need someone. That's just basic. I suppose i'm odd like that. On Thu,

Re: [FRIAM] ready for a bonfire?

2017-01-19 Thread Gillian Densmore
Glen raises a good point. Experience es Daucet Est. Et Illuminus. Experience teaches, and lights the way to learn. I hold hope that people will learn. When and how is a whole other question and problem. In a strangely backwards Sith like way they might learn. Only time can show that. As to the

Re: [FRIAM] ready for a bonfire?

2017-01-19 Thread Marcus Daniels
The numbers don't really add-up in that article (who would expect them to..) , but at the end of the day a populist isn't going to do things that make him unpopular. So, I'd expect entitlement spending to stay high and military spending to be even higher. It's all the rest of the stuff that

Re: [FRIAM] ready for a bonfire?

2017-01-19 Thread glen ☣
I know it's offensive and disrespectful of me to feel this way, and especially to express it publicly. But part of me is excited about the possibility of this happening ... not necessarily excited in a good way... more like an adrenaline+cortisol sort of way. On the plus side, those who

Re: [FRIAM] The root of personality disorders

2017-01-19 Thread Owen Densmore
Post hoc ergo propter hoc? -- Owen On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 8:34 AM, Robert J. Cordingley wrote: > Aren't you now talking about different reasoning models/tasks: > Classification > Diagnosis > Hypothetical Reasoning > Bayesian > Fuzzy logic > etc. > > On the other

[FRIAM] ready for a bonfire?

2017-01-19 Thread Marcus Daniels
Hah, the ACA is just the beginning! http://thehill.com/policy/finance/314991-trump-team-prepares-dramatic-cuts FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe

Re: [FRIAM] The root of personality disorders

2017-01-19 Thread Robert J. Cordingley
Aren't you now talking about different reasoning models/tasks: Classification Diagnosis Hypothetical Reasoning Bayesian Fuzzy logic etc. On the other hand I've always felt the medical community named too many diseases and conditions after their symptoms usually in a hi-falutin format rather

Re: [FRIAM] The root of personality disorders

2017-01-19 Thread Frank Wimberly
Point taken, Eric. That is more realistic. I was making the point that even for non-psychiatric problems the symptoms (partly) define the disease. There are tests like biopsies and cultures of organisms that confirm the diagnoses of those diagnoses. Some psychiatric disorders can be confirmed

Re: [FRIAM] The root of personality disorders

2017-01-19 Thread Eric Charles
But Frank doesn't it normally go a bit more like this: Why is my husband unable to breathe and coughs all the time? I hypothesize that he has pneumonia - a chest x-ray is a cheap and fairly reliable test of that hypothesis. Then let's do a chest x-ray! Well ma'am, the x-ray shows white