Re: [FRIAM] The apocalypse
"However, according to FEMA, the US Military, the Department of Energy, and the CIA there IS a 100% chance of an existential threat occurring within the next 10-20 years. Massive failure of the power grid." There are also risks due to inadequate monitoring of existing infrastructure, e.g. the kind of thing that happens when deregulation aims to maximize profits. Folks always like to focus on bad guy scenarios and not dangers due to environmental events, especially the variety humans cause. Marcus From: Friam on behalf of Prof David West Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 1:24:29 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The apocalypse While undoubtedly fun, all the speculation (dare I say hysteria without sounding sexist?) about a Trump induced apocalypse is kind of far fetched. Too many intermediaries twixt mouth, button, and detonation. However, according to FEMA, the US Military, the Department of Energy, and the CIA there IS a 100% chance of an existential threat occurring within the next 10-20 years. Massive failure of the power grid. -- Iran, Russia, China, and probably North Korea already have malware embedded in the system. -- Major transformers have no backup (they cost 10-100 million dollars, take two years to build, and are almost all built in China) -- Deaths by day 5 of failure will reach the 100s of thousands, if not millions. -- By day ten, there will be no economy and no effectual government. -- One of the highest ranked scenarios for this to occur is North Korea detonating a ship born nuke off the coast of Southern California - the nuke tuned to generate a massive EMP. And, we know they have nukes small enough to fit in a freighter. They can do this. Guam is absurd at the present. Interestingly, none of the government agencies that are certain this event will occur within 20 years have any plans for how it will be dealt with! davew BTW, the grid has been a particular interest of mine since an acquaintance caused the first major US blackout, in the early 70s, by toppling a few towers in the pacific northwest with a few sticks of dynamite. On Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote: Budda nature, calm and a good ol' jedi about now Aka cooler heads tend to prevail and do some awsome stuf. On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: "I suppose firing 4 rockets to land in NK waters? Or sending 4 drones to hover over NK? Shooting down the NK rockets would be risky, showing our hand as to effective antimissile capabilities." The best thing would be to have people in charge that don't freak out at the slightest provocation. "Third, we must enhance our antimissile systems and other defenses, and those of our allies, which need our reassurances more than ever." https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/10/opinion/susan-rice-trump-north-korea.html <https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/10/opinion/susan-rice-trump-north-korea.html> From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> on behalf of Owen Densmore mailto:o...@backspaces.net>> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 10:26:46 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The apocalypse OK, what's tit for tat with the North Korea Guam threat: President Trump seemed to draw a red line Tuesday when he warned North Korea that continued threats against the United States would be met with “fire and fury like the world has never seen.” The next day, North Korea crossed it. Or at least it announced, in unusually specific terms, how it could. The country’s state-run Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) on Wednesday night issued a statement that said the North is “seriously examining the plan for an enveloping strike at Guam through simultaneous fire of four Hwasong-12 intermediate-range strategic ballistic rockets in order to interdict the enemy forces on major military bases on Guam and to signal a crucial warning to the U.S.” The statement, citing the North’s Strategic Rocket Forces head General Kim Rak Gyom, added that the plan would be finished by mid-August before going to North Korean leader Kim Jong Un for approval. “Sound dialogue is not possible with such a guy bereft of reason and only absolute force can work on him,” the general said, in apparent reference to Trump, whose ultimatum he described as a “load of nonsense.” I suppose firing 4 rockets to land in NK waters? Or sending 4 drones to hover over NK? Shooting down the NK rockets would be risky, showing our hand as to effective antimissile capabilities. -- Owen https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/08/north-korea-answers-trumps-vague-threats-with-specific-ones/536433/ On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 9:36 PM, Gillian Densmore mailto:gil.densm...@gmail.com>> wrote: I (razzingly) suggest bad summer
Re: [FRIAM] The apocalypse
While undoubtedly fun, all the speculation (dare I say hysteria without sounding sexist?) about a Trump induced apocalypse is kind of far fetched. Too many intermediaries twixt mouth, button, and detonation. However, according to FEMA, the US Military, the Department of Energy, and the CIA there IS a 100% chance of an existential threat occurring within the next 10-20 years. Massive failure of the power grid.-- Iran, Russia, China, and probably North Korea already have malware embedded in the system.-- Major transformers have no backup (they cost 10-100 million dollars, take two years to build, and are almost all built in China)-- Deaths by day 5 of failure will reach the 100s of thousands, if not millions.-- By day ten, there will be no economy and no effectual government. -- One of the highest ranked scenarios for this to occur is North Korea detonating a ship born nuke off the coast of Southern California - the nuke tuned to generate a massive EMP. And, we know they have nukes small enough to fit in a freighter. They can do this. Guam is absurd at the present. Interestingly, none of the government agencies that are certain this event will occur within 20 years have any plans for how it will be dealt with! davew BTW, the grid has been a particular interest of mine since an acquaintance caused the first major US blackout, in the early 70s, by toppling a few towers in the pacific northwest with a few sticks of dynamite. On Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote: > Budda nature, calm and a good ol' jedi about now > Aka cooler heads tend to prevail and do some awsome stuf. > > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Marcus Daniels > wrote:>> "I suppose firing 4 rockets to land in NK > waters? Or sending 4 drones >> to hover over NK? Shooting down the NK rockets would be risky, >> showing our hand as to effective antimissile capabilities.">> >> The best thing would be to have people in charge that don't freak out >> at the slightest provocation.>> >> "Third, we must enhance our antimissile systems and other defenses, >> and those of our allies, which need our reassurances more than ever.">> >> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/10/opinion/susan-rice-trump-north-korea.html>> >> >> >> *From:* Friam on behalf of Owen Densmore >> *Sent:* Thursday, August 10, 2017 10:26:46 AM >> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* >> Re: [FRIAM] The apocalypse>> >> OK, what's tit for tat with the North Korea Guam threat: >> >>> President Trump seemed to draw a red line Tuesday when he warned >>> North Korea that continued threats against the United States would >>> be met with “fire and fury like the world has never seen.” The next >>> day, North Korea crossed it.>>> >>> Or at least it announced, in unusually specific terms, how it could. >>> The country’s state-run Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) on >>> Wednesday night issued a statement that said the North is “seriously >>> examining the plan for an enveloping strike at Guam through >>> simultaneous fire of four Hwasong-12 intermediate-range strategic >>> ballistic rockets in order to interdict the enemy forces on major >>> military bases on Guam and to signal a crucial warning to the U.S.” >>> The statement, citing the North’s Strategic Rocket Forces head >>> General Kim Rak Gyom, added that the plan would be finished by mid- >>> August before going to North Korean leader Kim Jong Un for approval.>>> >>> “Sound dialogue is not possible with such a guy bereft of reason and >>> only absolute force can work on him,” the general said, in apparent >>> reference to Trump, whose ultimatum he described as a “load of >>> nonsense.”>> >> I suppose firing 4 rockets to land in NK waters? Or sending 4 drones >> to hover over NK? Shooting down the NK rockets would be risky, >> showing our hand as to effective antimissile capabilities.>> >>-- Owen >> >> https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/08/north-korea-answers-trumps-vague-threats-with-specific-ones/536433/>> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 9:36 PM, Gillian Densmore >> wrote:>> >>> I (razzingly) suggest bad summer movies or that somehow all the >>> Doom will some freeze in place at the same time.>>> Perhaps we shall some >>> how find a bunch of tribbles, zombies, a large >>> rock in the sky, and dinso's all at the same time and that because >>> of the Doom Metter the'll just stay their, thus no more doom can >>>
Re: [FRIAM] The apocalypse
Budda nature, calm and a good ol' jedi about now Aka cooler heads tend to prevail and do some awsome stuf. On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > "I suppose firing 4 rockets to land in NK waters? Or sending 4 drones to > hover over NK? Shooting down the NK rockets would be risky, showing our > hand as to effective antimissile capabilities." > > > The best thing would be to have people in charge that don't freak out at > the slightest provocation. > > > "Third, we must enhance our antimissile systems and other defenses, and > those of our allies, which need our reassurances more than ever." > > > https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/10/opinion/susan-rice- > trump-north-korea.html > > > <https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/10/opinion/susan-rice-trump-north-korea.html> > -- > *From:* Friam on behalf of Owen Densmore < > o...@backspaces.net> > *Sent:* Thursday, August 10, 2017 10:26:46 AM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The apocalypse > > OK, what's tit for tat with the North Korea Guam threat: > > President Trump seemed to draw a red line Tuesday when he warned North > Korea that continued threats against the United States would be met with > “fire and fury like the world has never seen.” The next day, North Korea > crossed it. > > Or at least it announced, in unusually specific terms, how it could. The > country’s state-run Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) on Wednesday night > issued a statement that said the North is “seriously examining the plan for > an enveloping strike at Guam through simultaneous fire of four Hwasong-12 > intermediate-range strategic ballistic rockets in order to interdict the > enemy forces on major military bases on Guam and to signal a crucial > warning to the U.S.” The statement, citing the North’s Strategic Rocket > Forces head General Kim Rak Gyom, added that the plan would be finished by > mid-August before going to North Korean leader Kim Jong Un for approval. > > “Sound dialogue is not possible with such a guy bereft of reason and only > absolute force can work on him,” the general said, in apparent reference to > Trump, whose ultimatum he described as a “load of nonsense.” > > > I suppose firing 4 rockets to land in NK waters? Or sending 4 drones to > hover over NK? Shooting down the NK rockets would be risky, showing our > hand as to effective antimissile capabilities. > >-- Owen > > https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/08/ > north-korea-answers-trumps-vague-threats-with-specific-ones/536433/ > > > On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 9:36 PM, Gillian Densmore > wrote: > >> I (razzingly) suggest bad summer movies or that somehow all the Doom >> will some freeze in place at the same time. >> Perhaps we shall some how find a bunch of tribbles, zombies, a large rock >> in the sky, and dinso's all at the same time and that because of the Doom >> Metter the'll just stay their, thus no more doom can happen. >> >> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 8:04 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote: >> >>> I doubt that North Korea has the ability to hit a tiny island like Guam >>> in the Pacific, but it can without doubt destroy the 9 million capital >>> Seoul near the border with weapons bought from Russia or China. >>> >>> The danger of a nuclear apocalypse is greatest when the world has >>> forgotten how dangerous these weapons of mass destruction are. Even trying >>> to model mutually assured destruction is useless with people like Kim >>> Jong-Un and Trump. How can he brag on Twitter about nuclear weapons? WTF ? >>> >>> -J. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >>> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >>> >> >> >> >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >> > > > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
Re: [FRIAM] The apocalypse
"I suppose firing 4 rockets to land in NK waters? Or sending 4 drones to hover over NK? Shooting down the NK rockets would be risky, showing our hand as to effective antimissile capabilities." The best thing would be to have people in charge that don't freak out at the slightest provocation. "Third, we must enhance our antimissile systems and other defenses, and those of our allies, which need our reassurances more than ever." https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/10/opinion/susan-rice-trump-north-korea.html <https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/10/opinion/susan-rice-trump-north-korea.html> From: Friam on behalf of Owen Densmore Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 10:26:46 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The apocalypse OK, what's tit for tat with the North Korea Guam threat: President Trump seemed to draw a red line Tuesday when he warned North Korea that continued threats against the United States would be met with “fire and fury like the world has never seen.” The next day, North Korea crossed it. Or at least it announced, in unusually specific terms, how it could. The country’s state-run Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) on Wednesday night issued a statement that said the North is “seriously examining the plan for an enveloping strike at Guam through simultaneous fire of four Hwasong-12 intermediate-range strategic ballistic rockets in order to interdict the enemy forces on major military bases on Guam and to signal a crucial warning to the U.S.” The statement, citing the North’s Strategic Rocket Forces head General Kim Rak Gyom, added that the plan would be finished by mid-August before going to North Korean leader Kim Jong Un for approval. “Sound dialogue is not possible with such a guy bereft of reason and only absolute force can work on him,” the general said, in apparent reference to Trump, whose ultimatum he described as a “load of nonsense.” I suppose firing 4 rockets to land in NK waters? Or sending 4 drones to hover over NK? Shooting down the NK rockets would be risky, showing our hand as to effective antimissile capabilities. -- Owen https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/08/north-korea-answers-trumps-vague-threats-with-specific-ones/536433/ On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 9:36 PM, Gillian Densmore mailto:gil.densm...@gmail.com>> wrote: I (razzingly) suggest bad summer movies or that somehow all the Doom will some freeze in place at the same time. Perhaps we shall some how find a bunch of tribbles, zombies, a large rock in the sky, and dinso's all at the same time and that because of the Doom Metter the'll just stay their, thus no more doom can happen. On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 8:04 PM, Jochen Fromm mailto:j...@cas-group.net>> wrote: I doubt that North Korea has the ability to hit a tiny island like Guam in the Pacific, but it can without doubt destroy the 9 million capital Seoul near the border with weapons bought from Russia or China. The danger of a nuclear apocalypse is greatest when the world has forgotten how dangerous these weapons of mass destruction are. Even trying to model mutually assured destruction is useless with people like Kim Jong-Un and Trump. How can he brag on Twitter about nuclear weapons? WTF ? -J. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
Re: [FRIAM] The apocalypse
OK, what's tit for tat with the North Korea Guam threat: President Trump seemed to draw a red line Tuesday when he warned North Korea that continued threats against the United States would be met with “fire and fury like the world has never seen.” The next day, North Korea crossed it. Or at least it announced, in unusually specific terms, how it could. The country’s state-run Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) on Wednesday night issued a statement that said the North is “seriously examining the plan for an enveloping strike at Guam through simultaneous fire of four Hwasong-12 intermediate-range strategic ballistic rockets in order to interdict the enemy forces on major military bases on Guam and to signal a crucial warning to the U.S.” The statement, citing the North’s Strategic Rocket Forces head General Kim Rak Gyom, added that the plan would be finished by mid-August before going to North Korean leader Kim Jong Un for approval. “Sound dialogue is not possible with such a guy bereft of reason and only absolute force can work on him,” the general said, in apparent reference to Trump, whose ultimatum he described as a “load of nonsense.” I suppose firing 4 rockets to land in NK waters? Or sending 4 drones to hover over NK? Shooting down the NK rockets would be risky, showing our hand as to effective antimissile capabilities. -- Owen https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/08/north-korea-answers-trumps-vague-threats-with-specific-ones/536433/ On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 9:36 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote: > I (razzingly) suggest bad summer movies or that somehow all the Doom will > some freeze in place at the same time. > Perhaps we shall some how find a bunch of tribbles, zombies, a large rock > in the sky, and dinso's all at the same time and that because of the Doom > Metter the'll just stay their, thus no more doom can happen. > > On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 8:04 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote: > >> I doubt that North Korea has the ability to hit a tiny island like Guam >> in the Pacific, but it can without doubt destroy the 9 million capital >> Seoul near the border with weapons bought from Russia or China. >> >> The danger of a nuclear apocalypse is greatest when the world has >> forgotten how dangerous these weapons of mass destruction are. Even trying >> to model mutually assured destruction is useless with people like Kim >> Jong-Un and Trump. How can he brag on Twitter about nuclear weapons? WTF ? >> >> -J. >> >> >> >> >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >> > > > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
Re: [FRIAM] The apocalypse
I (razzingly) suggest bad summer movies or that somehow all the Doom will some freeze in place at the same time. Perhaps we shall some how find a bunch of tribbles, zombies, a large rock in the sky, and dinso's all at the same time and that because of the Doom Metter the'll just stay their, thus no more doom can happen. On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 8:04 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote: > I doubt that North Korea has the ability to hit a tiny island like Guam in > the Pacific, but it can without doubt destroy the 9 million capital Seoul > near the border with weapons bought from Russia or China. > > The danger of a nuclear apocalypse is greatest when the world has > forgotten how dangerous these weapons of mass destruction are. Even trying > to model mutually assured destruction is useless with people like Kim > Jong-Un and Trump. How can he brag on Twitter about nuclear weapons? WTF ? > > -J. > > > > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
Re: [FRIAM] The apocalypse
by no means certain. People keep offering me as comfort the fact that the South Koreans aren’t worried …. 30 million people on the edge of obliteration from conventional shells full of sarin. Why does that not comfort me? No, we are back to the Cuban Missile Crisis. Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/> *From:*Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>] *On Behalf Of *Jochen Fromm *Sent:* Wednesday, August 09, 2017 3:34 PM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group mailto:friam@redfish.com>> *Subject:* [FRIAM] The apocalypse What's the matter with your president? I am worried we are heading to the apocalypse. The "fire and fury" threat feels like the Cuban missile crisis or worse. http://blog.cas-group.net/2017/08/the-apocalypse/ <http://blog.cas-group.net/2017/08/the-apocalypse/> And then there is the issue of global warming which the Trump administration ignores now. This is not just one apocalypse, it is two. -J. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com <http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ <http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/> by Dr. Strangelove FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
Re: [FRIAM] The apocalypse
I doubt that North Korea has the ability to hit a tiny island like Guam in the Pacific, but it can without doubt destroy the 9 million capital Seoul near the border with weapons bought from Russia or China. The danger of a nuclear apocalypse is greatest when the world has forgotten how dangerous these weapons of mass destruction are. Even trying to model mutually assured destruction is useless with people like Kim Jong-Un and Trump. How can he brag on Twitter about nuclear weapons? WTF ? -J. null FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
Re: [FRIAM] The apocalypse
It's bad enough that he's "out of his friggin' mind", but a CNN piece today asks, "Could Congress stop Trump from bombing North Korea?" The reporter's conclusion is basically that no, it couldn't. I think we all should scared witless that Trump may well pull the trigger. My only hope is that enough high-level generals would risk court martial and refuse to follow his orders. If the USA did launch a pre-emptive nuclear strike, the consequences for S Korea (and Japan?) would be horrific. And then there is the question of what China and Russia would do in response. This is really, really serious crap. On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: > Jochen, > > > > He’s out of his friggin mind. There are those who feel that the risk > arising from the stultification of our political system was so bad that it > justified taking this sort of existential risk (Hey, Dave!), but I am not > one of them. Small interesting things ARE starting to happen, (meetings > amongst scared non-crazy people in congress) and I am grateful for those, > but whether they will develop in time to rescue us, is by no means > certain. > > > > > > People keep offering me as comfort the fact that the South Koreans aren’t > worried …. 30 million people on the edge of obliteration from conventional > shells full of sarin. Why does that not comfort me? > > > > No, we are back to the Cuban Missile Crisis. > > > > Nick > > > > > > Nicholas S. Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > > Clark University > > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > > *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Jochen > Fromm > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 09, 2017 3:34 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* [FRIAM] The apocalypse > > > > What's the matter with your president? I am worried we are heading to the > apocalypse. The "fire and fury" threat feels like the Cuban missile crisis > or worse. > > http://blog.cas-group.net/2017/08/the-apocalypse/ > > > > And then there is the issue of global warming which the Trump > administration ignores now. This is not just one apocalypse, it is two. > > > > -J. > > > > > > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
Re: [FRIAM] The apocalypse
Jochen, He’s out of his friggin mind. There are those who feel that the risk arising from the stultification of our political system was so bad that it justified taking this sort of existential risk (Hey, Dave!), but I am not one of them. Small interesting things ARE starting to happen, (meetings amongst scared non-crazy people in congress) and I am grateful for those, but whether they will develop in time to rescue us, is by no means certain. People keep offering me as comfort the fact that the South Koreans aren’t worried …. 30 million people on the edge of obliteration from conventional shells full of sarin. Why does that not comfort me? No, we are back to the Cuban Missile Crisis. Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 3:34 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] The apocalypse What's the matter with your president? I am worried we are heading to the apocalypse. The "fire and fury" threat feels like the Cuban missile crisis or worse. http://blog.cas-group.net/2017/08/the-apocalypse/ And then there is the issue of global warming which the Trump administration ignores now. This is not just one apocalypse, it is two. -J. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
Re: [FRIAM] The apocalypse
Jochen, "What's the matter with your president?" And it is the west cost states at the most risk. States that voted for H! Marcus From: Friam on behalf of Jochen Fromm Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2017 1:34:15 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] The apocalypse What's the matter with your president? I am worried we are heading to the apocalypse. The "fire and fury" threat feels like the Cuban missile crisis or worse. http://blog.cas-group.net/2017/08/the-apocalypse/ And then there is the issue of global warming which the Trump administration ignores now. This is not just one apocalypse, it is two. -J. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
[FRIAM] The apocalypse
What's the matter with your president? I am worried we are heading to the apocalypse. The "fire and fury" threat feels like the Cuban missile crisis or worse.http://blog.cas-group.net/2017/08/the-apocalypse/ And then there is the issue of global warming which the Trump administration ignores now. This is not just one apocalypse, it is two. -J. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
