Noam Chomsky-Democracy

ommon Good", November 1997. It was too juicy to not share around! >>Paul Cienfuegos >> >> >>"...I started from the beginning, with Aristotle's POLITICS, which is the >>foundation for most subsequent political theory. Aristotle took it for >>granted

Stone Dead Democracy: Revolution needed

Toronto Star. 2000/1/12 : Your lead editorial Jan 11th exemplifies the extent to which Parliamentary Democracy has been corrupted in Canada. A media depiction has become the myth and the myth the practice. Your reference to the Reform Party as "Canada's Official Opposition" invites a gro

[Fwd: [corp-ethics] FWD: Independent media and the survival of democracy]

This was on the corporate ethics list that I thought would be of interest here. > -Original Message- > From: MichaelP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: unlikely suspects: ; > Date: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 11:35 AM > Subject: Independent media and the survival of d

Re: Timocracy, Democracy etc. (was "torn: Response for Brad")

Ed Goertzen quoted Compton's Interactive Encyclopedia (which keyword?): > "...If the mass of the population > governed and they were virtuous, it was called a timocracy. (The Greek > timios means "worthy.") But if the many were not virtuous, it was called a > democ

Micro$oft Democracy -- no joke this time!

M$ excludes non-customers from voting... > http://www.theregister.co.uk/99-14.html > > Posted 11/11/99 2:34pm by Graham Lea > > MSNBC blunders over poll position > > Polls conducted on the Internet are prone to being invaded by > afficionados who wish their view to prevail. There are, of

FW WTO's Coup Against Democracy (fwd)

>X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:56:51 -0400 >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >From: Bob Olsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: WTO's Coup Against Democracy > > >Mime-Version: 1.0 > > > > > >Whose Trade Organisation? Corporate

BR: New Democracy Forum

>Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 01:52:00 -0700 >From: Stephen Straker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: "S. Lerner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: BR: New Democracy Forum >Status: U > >Dear Sally, > >Has this item been noticed in FW? It ought

Re: Democracy & sociocybernetics

Thanks Mike, I would appreciate your discussion of the material I wrote. I feel that it is relevant for discussions of the future of work, just as many management groups are exploring those very same structures in work processes today.I'm not referring to the plastic shamans of the "Fast"

Re: Democracy is the opiate of the masses.

"P.A. Gantt" wrote: > Speaking of democracy... it is an opiate only if > we Netizens stand by and let the ubiquitous "they" > take the First Amendment away from us by pricing > us out of the Net. I will send an easy form > and ways to address th

Re: Democracy is the opiate of the masses.

Speaking of democracy... it is an opiate only if we Netizens stand by and let the ubiquitous "they" take the First Amendment away from us by pricing us out of the Net. I will send an easy form and ways to address this pressing issue in my

Re: Democracy is the opiate of the masses.

id not allow the continuous re-examination of the aims, tactics and strategy - which is the core of a democratic movement. You probably say there is no point in such analysis, all human effort ends of being animal-like hierarchival and democracy is an unnatural phenomena... ... and I don'

Re: Democracy is the opiate of the masses.

A little fun from one of my favorite writers on science, life and attitudes. REH Questioning the calendar A skeptic confronts the millennium By Stephen Jay Gould Feb. 26 — We have a false impression, buttressed by some famously exaggerated testimony, that the universe runs with the regu

Re: Democracy & sociocybernetics

Given the recent introduction into futurework discussions of the concepts of chaordics, heterarchy, complexity, hierarchy, the shorter work-week, genetic engineering, animal and human evolution, the recent book Robot by Hans Moravec may be of interest to li

Re: Democracy is the opiate of the masses.

>This is a bad mannered misinterpretation on your part, >it is obvious that what I meant was >their class-conscioussness, which is you are as aware as me, giving >the programmer example above. As the vast majority of human kind is >working class as per the definition above, I can't see anything w

Illusions about Democracy.

Thanks to Christoph Reuss for clarifying that democracy in the Scandinavian countries is threatened by EU. Many americans have a lot of illusions about democracy in Europe...it`s not a God -producen entity, but a result of the working class long struggle for socialist ideas. These ideas are today

Re: Democracy is the opiate of the masses.

Eva wrote: > I agree totally with what you say the EU is about. > It is the sign of a next stage of capitalism, as you say, > fighting it, seems to me, is as futile as the Luddites > attacking machines. I think this comparison isn't correct, because the machines represented true progress, whereas

Re: Democracy is the opiate of the masses.

> I believe that the method you propose was tried several times during the > past century. Unions were formed as a means of mobilizing the working class > against powerful industrial interests. Political ideologies were fashioned > as formulas for the development of ideal states in which the wor

Re: Democracy & sociocybernetics

Hi Mike, This is a very interesting post. I find it the most interesting in how you are traversing the path of traditional Native American Plain's Myth in your forms. The net for example is the traditional form of Spider Woman and is considered essentially feminine in nature. Amongst the Pla

Re: Democracy is the opiate of the masses.

Eva: >It turned out that the the best way to fight capitalism is >a united and goal-conscious working class. >That working class contains highly educated if >unconcious (!!) masses now, especially in Europe. >What other - democratic - ways are there? I believe that the method you propose was tr

Re: Democracy is the opiate of the masses.

I agree totally with what you say the EU is about. It is the sign of a next stage of capitalism, as you say, fighting it, seems to me, is as futile as the Luddites attacking machines. The unification of the USA happened in the name of its fledgling capitalism, too. It turned out that the the be

Re: Democracy & sociocybernetics

>Steve Kurtz wrote: > >> I argue...that hierarchies...have always existed and will most likely >> continue to do so despite any structural changes invented & applied. Methinks thou dost overgeneralize and art over-bold in thy predictions Koestler, Wilber, Raven, and Hock all talk of more org

Re: Democracy & sociocybernetics

Steve Kurtz wrote: > I argue...that hierarchies...have always existed and will most likely > continue to do so despite any structural changes invented & applied. To which Victor Milne replied: > I don't see animal behaviour as being such a simple matter of > dominance and hierarchy as people

Re: Democracy is the opiate of the masses.

es that occurred in Sweden since it joined the EU, you'll get a much more negative picture: Reduction of democracy, political transparence, environmental protection, etc. The "Left in the EU" is a hoax: Blair and Schroeder are neo-liberals rather than social-democrats. Schr

Re: Democracy & sociocybernetics

Durant wrote: http://csf.colorado.edu/sustainable-economics/daly/ > > > > Is there a theory you could sum up? Very short abstract on above website does that. > If you are > eliminating profit-growth, you are eliminating capital. No. No-growth doesn't eliminate existing infrastructure or exi

Re: Democracy & sociocybernetics

> As traditionally defined, you're correct. Herman Daly & many others have > written about "steady state" economies which don't eliminate capital. Great > source: > http://csf.colorado.edu/sustainable-economics/daly/ > Is there a theory you could sum up? If you are eliminating profit-growth, you

Re: Democracy & sociocybernetics

us to be individuals than capitalism ever can: economic oppression means limited democracy. > You really don't get it. People make their beds & sleep in them. I'm > supporting not a fixed system, but shrinkage - of population, & of economic > throughput/impact. I'd like ze

Re: Democracy is the opiate of the masses.

You left out the peragraph that refered to international trade unionism in Europe. Crawling back to national governments that are weaker than international corporations, is certainly not the best solution. By the way, probably due to the stronger influence of the left in the EU, their workplac

Re: Democracy & sociocybernetics

Durant wrote: > Capitalism cannot function without growth, if the rate of profit > decreases - and it does anyway - capitalism is in crisis. > What's wrong with having a distribution that allows everyone to > live freely and in dignity, rather than under an economic bridle. As traditionally defi

Re: Democracy is the opiate of the masses.

Eva Durant wrote: > > > Since the Scandinavian nations (except Norway) and the Netherlands are now > > in the EU, democracy is 'working' less and less in them. All important > > decisions are increasingly "shifted" to Brussels and [thus] the >intern

Re: Democracy & sociocybernetics

>ranges of human (& other) behavior have always existed and will most likely > >continue to do so despite any structural changes invented & applied. It > >makes democracy somewhat irregular at best. But I'm not advocating > >dictatorship, just realistic expectations if

Re: Democracy is the opiate of the masses.

herlands are now > in the EU, democracy is 'working' less and less in them. All important > decisions are increasingly "shifted" to Brussels and [thus] the international > big biz. ("The United States of Europe" is the aim, remember.) > Oligarchy with a de

Re: Democracy is the opiate of the masses.

only need to re-realise that it is possible... Eva > Since the Scandinavian nations (except Norway) and the Netherlands are now > in the EU, democracy is 'working' less and less in them. All important > decisions are increasingly "shifted" to Brussels and [thus] the in

Re: Democracy & sociocybernetics

> Victor Milne & Pat Gottlieb > > FIGHT THE BASTARDS! An anti-neoconservative website > at http://www3.sympatico.ca/pat-vic/pat-vic/ > > LONESOME ACRES RIDING STABLE > at http://www3.sympatico.ca/pat-vic/ > > -Original Message----- > From: Steve Kurtz <[EMAIL

Re: Democracy & sociocybernetics

t futurework <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: February 25, 1999 6:02 PM Subject: Re: Democracy & sociocybernetics >Eva Durant wrote: > >> The bully tend to be the biggest puppy, the one with >> the most expendable energy. Even in dogs, >> aggressivity is "taught&quo

Re: Democracy is the opiate of the masses.

Victor Milne wrote: > So far as I know, democracy is working passably well in some countries such > as the Scandinavian nations and the Netherlands. So maybe Jay's notion of > democracy is limited to what's found in the USA--and I'll admit that what we > have in Canada

Re: Democracy & sociocybernetics

ourse. > You say we should not attempt democracy because > no animals live that way? Strawman. I never said or implied that. I argue, like Ed does, that hierarchies and ranges of human (& other) behavior have always existed and will most likely continue to do so despite any structu

Re: Democracy & sociocybernetics

most expendable energy. Even in dogs, aggressivity is "taught" by the human who replaced the role of the alpha. Even bull-terriers in a strong-controlled but peaceful environment tend to grow up docile. You say we should not attempt democracy because no animals live that way? And for the

Re: Democracy

I don't think that the level of aggressivity is an ethnic trait or even genetic. Any such statement on "human nature" is very suspect. I am not aware of any present mongols being more aggressive than other peoples. And I am not being PC, just never heard about such scientific evidence. Most re

Re: (Humor) Microsoft Democracy(TM)

Classless society happened before surplus was produced, and yes it was probably very cruel. The point is that it must have been successful, nevertheless, in establishing more and more stable and numerous human populations. It is an example for a classless society. We made our spiral of develo

Re: Democracy is the opiate of the masses.

>Trying to make a difference? So what? People have been trying to make a >difference ever since people existed. And today, our water laps the >portholes of our Titanic. > >When one's ship is on its way down, the only thing that matters is results. >Rather than wasting time on a make-believe p

Re: Democracy is the opiate of the masses.

>... and the good ship Titanic takes her final plunge into the icy blackness. >Our final scene is of a panicing herd -- arms waving and running in >circles -- totally preoccupied with the political correctness of it all. I don't remember anyone using PC arguments. Another strawman. > I am leav

Democracy & sociocybernetics

Eva Durant wrote: > > I don't think that the level of > aggressivity is an ethnic trait > or even genetic. > Any such statement on "human nature" > is very suspect. Have you ever noticed the bully & the runt in a litter of puppies? Have you noticed some species of dogs as more predictably aggres

Re: Democracy(TM)

So the "left" is still to be equated with the soviets. You think today's socialists want to follow the pattern of the ex-USSR. You are (again) ignoring all I've been saying here for years. I suppose there must be a few over 70 CP-ers who still idolise the USSR, but that is definitely not "the

Re: Democracy is the opiate of the masses.

. So I'm sure we'll meet again Jan Matthieu Flemish greens -- > Van: Jay Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Aan: Futurework <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Onderwerp: Re: Democracy is the opiate of the masses. > Datum: donderdag 25 februari 1999 6:30 > > - Orig

Re: Democracy

Eva: >>Classless society happened to humans for 100K + years, >>our relatively short written history chronicled only the >>class society that also happened to us - with it's >>exploitation, privilege, cruelty, etc. Ed Weick: > >You can believe that if you like, but I doubt very much that the fi

Re: Democracy(TM)

To the list: I tried sending a picture but obviously that doesn't work. I guess it's just "too big", I mean too much memory for the list or servers.Anyone who wants one just ask and I will try sending it to you. Eva, did you get the picture? Now as for Eva, Ed, Jay, Arthur, Sally, Mike a

Re: Democracy is the opiate of the masses.

he best liars. > you describe a present that the majority of people are rightly sick of and stay away from. This means, that they are ready for a more advanced level of democracy where people compete with their ideas, and winning doesn't mean more power and privilages, but a betterment for eve

Re: (Humor) Microsoft Democracy(TM)

> >Yes, you're right, it could only worked if > >power and privilages were not involved in the > >decision-making process and all the > >channels of information were totally > >transparent for everyone. Guess what - > >this means an alternative social structure... > > > > > >Eva > > > I guess w

Re: (Humor) Microsoft Democracy(TM)

Eva: >Classless society happened to humans for 100K + years, >our relatively short written history chronicled only the >class society that also happened to us - with it's >exploitation, privilege, cruelty, etc. You can believe that if you like, but I doubt very much that the first 100K of huma

Re: (Humor) Microsoft Democracy(TM)

Eva wrote: > > > And we can expect the computer hackers to develop special software to > > fake the votes. Like video telephones, electronic voting is a technical > > solution that won't be feasible due to the "human factor". > > Yes, you're right, it could only worked if > power and privilages w

Re: Democracy is the opiate of the masses.

es, it would be much more practical to work with what you've got. So far as I know, democracy is working passably well in some countries such as the Scandinavian nations and the Netherlands. So maybe Jay's notion of democracy is limited to what's found in the USA--and I'll a

Re: Democracy is the opiate of the masses.

of a problem is the first step in solving that problem. > If "democracy" is government by the common herd animals, then you don't have > it now. Is that how you regard your neighbours? People on this list? Are you better? > Once you see things as they really are -- a plutocrac

Re: Democracy is the opiate of the masses.

Eva, This is for you, your husband and the list:Bill Tall Feather is the Elder on our council and we celebrated his 94th birthday on Saturday. Today I finally figured out how to e-mail a picture and so I hope this works for you all. As for Democracy and Power, I think that you need both

Re: Democracy is the opiate of the masses.

- Original Message - From: Franklin Wayne Poley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Is that how you regard your neighbours? People on this list? Are you >better? ... and the good ship Titanic takes her final plunge into the icy blackness. Our final scene is of a panicing herd -- arms waving and runnin

Re: Democracy is the opiate of the masses.

- Original Message - From: Victor Milne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >It is a cheap copout to claim that politicians by their very nature are >liars. I have met a certain number who, I believed, were public-spirited >people trying to make a difference in their community. Trying to make a differen

Re: Democracy is the opiate of the masses.

- Original Message - From: Franklin Wayne Poley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >What alternative would you propose? How about if you were to become King >Jay I ? Would that work better? A careful analysis of a problem is the first step in solving that problem. If "democracy"

Re: Democracy is the opiate of the masses.

away into the labyrinthine world of doublethink. To > know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while > telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two > opinions which canceled out, knowing them to be contradictory and > believing in both o

Re: (Humor) Microsoft Democracy(TM)

> > Satire aside, it is obvious that fully developed direct electronic > > democracy is just a few years away. > >And we can expect the computer companies to develop special > > software to accommodate it. > > And we can expect the computer hackers to develop

Re: (Humor) Microsoft Democracy(TM)

>> > Satire aside, it is obvious that fully developed direct electronic >> > democracy is just a few years away. >> >And we can expect the computer companies to develop special >> > software to accommodate it. >> >> And we can expect the compute

Democracy is the opiate of the masses.

and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget, whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory a

Re: (Humor) Microsoft Democracy(TM)

FWP wrote: > Satire aside, it is obvious that fully developed direct electronic > democracy is just a few years away. >And we can expect the computer companies to develop special > software to accommodate it. And we can expect the computer hackers to develop special software

(Humor) Microsoft Democracy(TM)

[From a Polish website, http://www.ch.uj.edu.pl/msfc/19.html ] Microsoft Announces Microsoft Democracy Microsoft has unveiled today Microsoft Democracy, a freeware that will be widely available from next month, and included in Windows 96, the Company's latest operating system, to be rel

Re: (Humor) Microsoft Democracy(TM)

Satire aside, it is obvious that fully developed direct electronic democracy is just a few years away. And we can expect the computer companies to develop special software to accommodate it. FWP. On Wed, 24 Feb 1999, Christoph Reuss wrote: > [From a Polish website, http://www.ch.uj.edu

Re: Democracy

From: Ross James Swanston who wrote: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >But democracy is not about consensus, it is about strategies and tactics by >those wielding the power including vested interests and lobby groups ( >multinational corporations, employer groups, unions, etc), some of who

Re: democracy

Well, I usually find myself agreeing with Arthur but coming from that group that you all are lionizing, I would have to respectfully disagree. The issue for me is life experience, education and professionalism.The issue with U.S. politicians is one of time. American Politicians are elected a

Re: democracy

At 09:32 PM 1/29/99 -0500, you wrote: >So an unambiguous fact about Democracy, is that Iceland has had one >longer >than any Western Country as was pointed out to me on this list last >year. > >There are also many pure Democracies in traditional cultures around the >wor

Re: democracy/cornucopia

It's not a ridiculous idea...just very limited. For example that "footprint" should be measured in 3 space not 2 space. FWP. On Sat, 30 Jan 1999, Melanie Milanich wrote: > Re: William Rees and his "ecological footprint" . Most people still > don't "get" it. The Globe and Mail had an editorial

Re: democracy/cornucopia

sounds like he equated capitalism with democracy. Big mistake... Eva Octavio > Paz's > In Light of India, where I came across this passage: > "In the West since the l8th century change has been overvalued. Traditional > India, like old European societies prized immu

Re: democracy

I agree with what you say here. I've never used the term "pure democrcy". I am aware of the dynamic relationship between democracy and dictatorship; it is democracy for those who are part of the power, the real decisionmaking, the control of information, and is basically d

Re: democracy/cornucopia

Yes, the resources are finite, and the only way we can survive to the point where our population level out without any war or other means of mass death, if we use what we have sustainably, which needs global cooperative employment of the best science we can muster. It cannot be done with the prese

Re: democracy/cornucopia

So Jay is too late with his dioff stuff, we are all dead... this is a virtuall/mystical discussion on one of Mike's astral planes... Nothing to be done, everybody who can afford it - take your break, follow Steve... I woman the barrikades on my own... Eva > Not according to thousands of scientis

Re: democracy/cornucopia

individual fulfill each other. With his habitual insight, Tocqueville differentiated between egotism and individiualism. The first "is born from blind instinct..it is a vice as old as the world and is found in all societies." Individualism, in contrast, was born with democracy, and

Re: democracy/cornucopia

Density has multiple definitions. Durant wrote: > > So Jay is too late with his dioff stuff, we are all dead... > this is a virtuall/mystical discussion on one of Mike's > astral planes...

Re: democracy

> Eva: > > At present large densities of people in Japan, Holland, > > etc have high standard of living and falling birth rates. > > agreed > > > At present population levels are not the cause of rising poverty, > > but the insane structure of economics and distribution. > > Without parasitic

Re: democracy/cornucopia

Re: William Rees and his "ecological footprint" . Most people still don't "get" it. The Globe and Mail had an editorial yesterday ridiculing him and maintaining everyone's right to go to Florida for the winter and to drive a van. They see no limits to the size of the pie, as U.S. consumers who

Re: democracy/cornucopia

Durant wrote: > At the moment it is a big enough pie, Not according to thousands of scientists including majority of living Nobel winners. Not according to Wm. Rees & Mathis Wackernagel, _The Ecological Footprint_. Their estimate is that 2Billion is maximum population sustainable at the *current

Re: democracy

> > >Again the cornucopian fallacy raises its ugly head. > > My grubbing in the late-Victorian archive makes me suspicious of undefined > uses of the word "fallacy". The late-Victorian legacy can be roughly > translated as "My class prejudice is Truth, yours (the one that _I_ > attribute to yo

Re: democracy

At present large densities of people in Japan, Holland, etc have high standard of living and falling birth rates. At present population levels are not the cause of rising poverty, but the insane structure of economics and distribution. If all your scientists are incapable of seeing such an eviden

Re: democracy

Eva: > At present large densities of people in Japan, Holland, > etc have high standard of living and falling birth rates. agreed > At present population levels are not the cause of rising poverty, > but the insane structure of economics and distribution. Without parasitic imports of food, en

Re: democracy

situations and only because they are so relatively simple and linear. The other modes of communication demand more respect for life's experiences and a willingness to really find out what the other person means by what they have written. So an unambiguous fact about Democracy, is that Icelan

Re: democracy

ferences disappear - a physical impossibility. For > > those dealing in 'souls' or 'spirits', I have nothing to say, and you have > > nothing to show us. > > > > This doesn't make deep democracy impossible; recall Garrett Harden's > > "mutual coercion, mutually agreed upon" as the rational way forward. (see > > Jay's site: dieoff.org) > > >

Re: democracy

Eva: > individual freedoms > would be only lessened for a small minority, > for the rest I think a change to the future > I advocate would mean more individual freedom. This is your great speculative hope. If the worlds scientists are to be believed(back to dieoff.org for multiple exhibits of de

Re: democracy

Steve Kurtz wrote, >Again the cornucopian fallacy raises its ugly head. My grubbing in the late-Victorian archive makes me suspicious of undefined uses of the word "fallacy". The late-Victorian legacy can be roughly translated as "My class prejudice is Truth, yours (the one that _I_ attribute

Re: democracy

impossibility. For > those dealing in 'souls' or 'spirits', I have nothing to say, and you have > nothing to show us. > > This doesn't make deep democracy impossible; recall Garrett Harden's > "mutual coercion, mutually agreed upon" as the rational way forward. (see > Jay's site: dieoff.org) >

Re: democracy

itness is a reality. Humans are the only species known that > attempts to make differences disappear - a physical impossibility. For > those dealing in 'souls' or 'spirits', I have nothing to say, and you have > nothing to show us. > > This doesn't make deep democ

Re: democracy

> >> As Ed Weick pointed out last year on this list. Such "scientific" economic >> writings as Marx and others are less science and more philosophy in spite of >> the Complexity Engineer's love of Huyek's writing structures. If I remember >> right Ed said that they didn't really qualify being c

Re: democracy

> > > Anyone who uses the winners/losers biological > > evolution argument for the development of human society > > is ready to blame the failures of social structure > > on human characteristics, and ready to condemn > > sections of society, rather than to condenm > > inefficient social structu

Re: democracy

Eva Durant wrote: (snip) > Because they think without the intrusion of govrnments, > the winners/losers separation would be more perfect > for them. So that they can blame then every ill > on just their "inefficiently evolved" victims. Are you saying it is like the Christian who blames Christi

Re: democracy

- Original Message - From: Durant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >We were tallking about intelligence, not some rare genetic >decease. It is not even an accepted fact that intelligence >is inheritable. So - you are saying, that most of humanity I don't want to get in a fight about IQ, but the scien

Re: democracy

s to make differences disappear - a physical impossibility. For those dealing in 'souls' or 'spirits', I have nothing to say, and you have nothing to show us. This doesn't make deep democracy impossible; recall Garrett Harden's "mutual coercion, mutually agreed upon"

Re: democracy

Eva Durant wrote: > Anyone who uses the winners/losers biological > evolution argument for the development of human society > is ready to blame the failures of social structure > on human characteristics, and ready to condemn > sections of society, rather than to condenm > inefficient social stru

Alliance for Democracy

Many members of this list would probably be interested in a RealAudio interview with Ronnie Dugger, founder of Alliance for Democracy, which aims to end corporate domination. http://www.webactive.com/webactive/radionation/ Victor Milne FIGHT THE BASTARDS! An anti-neoconservative website at

Re: REGIONAL PLANNING DILUTES AND ULTIMATELY DEFEATS DEMOCRACY

>excerpt from a paper by Albert Bartlett published in Population >& Environment, Vol. 20, No. 1, September 1998, Pgs. 77 - 81. > >REGIONWIDE PLANNING WILL MAKE THE PROBLEMS WORSE > > > >REGIONAL PLANNING DILUTES AND

Re: REGIONAL PLANNING DILUTES AND ULTIMATELY DEFEATS DEMOCRACY

d for land use planning at the municipal level is unquestioned (probably this is the most visible difference as one moves from one side of the Canada/US border to the other). From my experience there is little or no linking of issues of local "planning" to questions of "democracy&

Re: REGIONAL PLANNING DILUTES AND ULTIMATELY DEFEATS DEMOCRACY

A friend of mine, visiting Seattle from Palo Alto in the mid 70's, when Seattle was still a reasonable sized city, observed that "courtesy and civility vary inversely with the population per square foot." Caspar Davis

Re: REGIONAL PLANNING DILUTES AND ULTIMATELY DEFEATS DEMOCRACY

excerpt from a paper by Albert Bartlett published in Population >& Environment, Vol. 20, No. 1, September 1998, Pgs. 77 - 81. > >REGIONWIDE PLANNING WILL MAKE THE PROBLEMS WORSE > > > >REGIONAL PLANNING DILUTES AND ULTIMATELY

Re: REGIONAL PLANNING DILUTES AND ULTIMATELY DEFEATS DEMOCRACY

Hi Mike, He is addressing growth mgmt. Has N.S. pop. stabilized? He says that Regional Planning can be valuable if... AB: >Planning in a community or region >can provide long-term solutions to community or regional problems >only if the planning causes, or is accompanied by, >a complete cessatio

REGIONAL PLANNING DILUTES AND ULTIMATELY DEFEATS DEMOCRACY

excerpt from a paper by Albert Bartlett published in Population & Environment, Vol. 20, No. 1, September 1998, Pgs. 77 - 81. REGIONWIDE PLANNING WILL MAKE THE PROBLEMS WORSE REGIONAL PLANNING DILUTES AND ULTIMATELY DEFEATS DEMOC

Re: simulating ownership and democracy

ngful, by way of sensitivity analysis, which I mentioned in the > first sentence of my first message about this simulation project. > > > How can you simulate the scale of democracy in decision making, > > and the scale of oppenness - surely an important feature. > > Such

Re: simulating ownership and democracy

>It's hard to answer anything but "maybe" to these questions, which doesn't >really satisfy me. "Ownership" is quite an abstract concept, and for all >that Marxists talked about materialism they sure attached a lot of >importance to something so abstract. Back to some rudeness. I'm really begi

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