Biblical Taliban (I hope you know Pashto) are indeed in the need of such a
kinder-chocolade not to get conditioned by the consensual Opium fields in the
yard of the Madrasah.
And, as is known, it protects against the dreaded DSS diarrhoea, result of a
contamination of the texts with loc. 51,
Joe, are you indeed still living in the year of the Lord 1992 or before that
you are absolutely not familiar with the actual Essene research since R.
Bergmeier, J. Frey et al? We simply do not speak of Essene anymore since 1993
- it is simply not that simple as the famous Jesuits once have
In 11Q15, 4 (PAM 43.895, not 42.895) ?
Hard to say, really. Could be both.
_Dierk
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From: Jeffrey B. Gibson
To: Dierk van den Berg
Cc: g-megillot
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Megillot
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From: Jeffrey B. Gibson
To: Dierk van den Berg
Cc: Suter, David ; g-megillot
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Megillot] Satan and Belial Offline
Dierk van den Berg wrote:
That's humbug, David. Sorry to say that.cf. 1Q28b, I.8; 4Q213,1.17; 4Q
504
Melki-resha is the futuristic counterpart to Melki-tsedeq in the angelic
judgement in the 10th Enochic Apocalypse of Weeks, the last jobel period,
the 490 yrs epoch of a Deca-Jubilee following Judgement Day for all mankind,
an event announced by an authoritative-mosaic herald (De 18.18; Wise:
Q-17 as part of the de Vaux excavation 1953 (anthropological diagnosed by
Kurth) remained undiagnosed, ad hoc as well as in situ - the hortative
paraffin block, as mute as Kubrick' fallen monolith, and who actually wants to
make a remote diagnosis some two generations thereafter, here and now;
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: g-megillot@mcmaster.ca
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Megillot] clay and scrolls
On 8 Mar 2007 at 8:52, Søren Holst wrote:
Dave Washburn wrote:
[snip]
But then it turns around and notes that the jars came
It really isn't outside the realm of possibility is it that if scrolls are
being produced jars are also being produced at the same location to store
them in?
No Jim - for that would be utmost unproductive, not only in the narrower
party-political sense. Let's put it this way, 'the exile' in
[quote:]
Rami Arav reviewed Yizhar Hirschfeld, Qumran in Context:
Reassessing theArchaeological Evidence (2004) in AJS [Association of Jewish
Studies] Review29.2 (2005) 373-6.
[snip]
And (also p. 375):"Placing Qumran in the context of
Herodian estates would place the DSS out of
recurrences are always unimpressive.
tot ziens
_Dierk
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From: Stephen Goranson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 12:33 PM
Subject: [Megillot] Philo on Sadducees and Pharisees??
Here's a heuristic exercise, for those open to it.
Would be a surprise if the term house of X would refer to the founder
Absalom of the houseof Absalom. More likely, the founder antedates any
reference to his house.
_Dierk
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From: Dierk van den Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Stephen Goranson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday
Under constitutional law, 'wickedness of an allegedly Yehoiarib King-Priest
is doubtlessly given by quite other reasons, namely acc to the Davidic
orientatated kingship without any priestly authority - a dogmatic pillar of
the DSS, if memory serves.
_Dierk
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From:
Recognizing Yannai as the wicked priest and Judah the Essene (doer of
torah)
as the teacher of righteousness will help us better understanding the
roots of
what is later called in Greek heresy in the newly-added (attested to my
knowledge only post 70 CE) negative sense and what is likewise
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From: Stephen Goranson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; g-megillot@McMaster.ca
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 12:47 PM
Subject: [Megillot] VanderKam on 4Q448
[snip] I suggest it is time to focus on the chronology of wicked priest
Alexander
Jannaeus and
No - it's just an inductive argument, first made by Stegemann, if memory
serves.
_Dierk
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From: Stephen Goranson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: g-megillot@McMaster.ca
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 6:57 PM
Subject: [Megillot] the teacher and the high priest?
It has
First of all, a paradoxographical seer-figure as integral part of a
collection of anecdotes is just an interchangeable symbol, a political
message without the need for any historicity.
_Dierk
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From: Stephen Goranson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: g-megillot@McMaster.ca
There is no such evidence at all for a WP Jannaias mentioned below !!!
However, we might read Alexander in the the way he was minted:
YEHONATAN THE HIGH PRIEST
And that is quite similar to the framing two
YEHOHANAN THE HIGH PRIEST
(make your decision which one is meant)
In so far James Davila is
of cave 1-11 from Kh. Qumran)
_Dierk
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From: Giuseppe Regalzi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: g-megillot@McMaster.ca
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Megillot] Jonah in the DSS
Dierk van den Berg wrote:
One might add that MurXII and 8HevXIIgr have nothing to do
Epiphanius' half-witted Panarion is not even a tertiary source for a serious
approach to the historicity of the DSS. Personally I have not enough
sitzfleisch to deal with his obscure 'faces', amalgamated with a will that
is doubtlessly off one's trolley and wholly bent on multiplication and
writing style to see that his confidence
that
he can refute heretics and his work to learn about various groups and
their
literature allows him to quote from them and describe them extensively,
using
many now-lost, hence quite valuable, sources.
best,
Stephen Goranson
Quoting Dierk van den Berg
to be read critically, but he is an important source on
so-
called heresies and minut, certainly relevant to history of Essenes at
Qumran
and elsewhere.
best,
Stephen Goranson
Quoting Dierk van den Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Epiphanius - important for what
the Sons of
Esau and their Samaritan allies in the late 2nd c.and early1st c. BCE as
well as in the 1st c. CE. That's risible.
_Dierk
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From: Jeffrey B. Gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Dierk van den Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 5:42 PM
Subject: Re
Text rests from Jonah are preserved in the Greek fragments of 4Q76
(4QXII/a) and 4Q81 (4Q XII/f).
_Dierk
- Original Message -
From: Jeffrey B. Gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: g-megillot@McMaster.ca
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 6:26 PM
Subject: [Megillot] Jonah in the DSS
Can anyone
To the 2nd part of the inquiry.
Different from Maleachi (CD; 5Q10), with whom Jonah shares the stage of
infliction (Aaron Schart 1998), Jonah citations are not used in the
sectarian material, if memory serves.
_Dierk
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From: Dierk van den Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED
of the yahad. And one
reason for the absence of a pesher to Jonah might be founded in the unique
lack of Israel allusions in the book.
_Dierk
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From: Dierk van den Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: g-megillot@McMaster.ca
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 7:10 PM
Subject: Re
a
reminiscence of a special Yeshua.
NB Branchers sounds somewhat silly, at least for my ears - reminds me of
'brunch' ...
_Dierk
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From: Jack Kilmon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Dierk van den Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED]; g-megillot@McMaster.ca
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 10
One might add that MurXII and 8HevXIIgr have nothing to do with the DSS.
It is as I've already said: The book of Jonah is not used by the yahad - but
by the precursor that run parallel under different names only to end up in
the Q-logia as part of the Gospels. No signs of Jonah is given to the
Dear list members,
We have just vague trends towards preferences of N-S orientation for males
and E-W orientation for females on the exc. barrows of Kh. Qumran. Much
later Bedouins were doubtlessly Muslims; hard to believe that they would
have ever shared grave-fellowship with
Andy,
I have Photoshop 7.0and Acrobat 6.0 on my
notebook, and Iraqi sand from the desert
inside *g*
However, please send me the material when the
problemof opening the .jpgs remains; it should be no big deal to reproduce
the article asperfect pdf file.
_Dierk
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Dear List,
Do we know of any thematic altercation between the religio-politcal groups
of the Zealot Sons of Phinehas and the Zadokite Sons of Zadoq in their war
of power? If we know of no such interaction, which is, as is generally
known, inevitable between well-defined social groups that share
J. Frey and H. Stegemann (eds.)_Qumran kontrovers_Beiträge zur den
Textfundenvom Toten Meer, Bonifatius, Paderborn 2003, ISBN 3-89710-205-6,
~16 Euro.
cf. http://orion.mscc.huji.ac.il/resources/bib/language/German.shtmlon
Frey's article.
Prof. S. Goranson holds a copy of the book, perhaps
Seemingly a transcription error made by Acrobat
Distiller. Already corrected.
Please d/l anew. And inform me if there are even
more transcription errors in the text.
I'm in a hurry in the moment. Sorry.
And a crafted MS-Word copy of the article would
take some time, I think.
_Dierk
ANTHROPOLOGICAL ANALYSIS OF THE HUMAN REMAINS
FROM KHIRBET QUMRAN: THE FRENCH COLLECTION
by Susan Guise SHERIDAN, Jaime ULLINGER and Jeremy RAMP
in: The Archaeology of Qumran, Vol. II. J-B Humbert, OP and J. Gunneweg,
eds.
Presses Universitaires de Fribourg, Suisse and the École Biblique et
[Archaeology - Anthropology]
COLLECTIO KURTH: Catalogue of official findings from the Qumran cemeteries
Olav-Roehrer-Ertl's Homepage; last update 3/2004
http://www.primatology.de/de/anthropologie/qumran/index.html
[on resexing and differentiation of the ad-hoc; cf. J. Zangenberg vs. J.
Zias in
Stephen,
J. Frey and H. Stegemann (Ed.)_Qumran kontrovers_Beiträge zur den Textfunden
vom Toten Meer, Bonifatius, Paderborn 2003.
The fact that Stegemann has edited an article by Bergmeier*, directly
followed by a refutation by J. Frey**, which quite obviously turns into a
kind of support for
)
_Dierk
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From: Dierk van den Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: g-megillot@McMaster.ca
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Megillot] anachronisms not; etc.
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From: Stephen Goranson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: g-megillot
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From: Jack Kilmon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Dierk van den Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED]; g-megillot@McMaster.ca
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Megillot] L30 Tables
[...]
The benches and tables are reconstructed and on display.
[...]
@Jack, Ed,
Do you
- Original Message -
From: Stephen Goranson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: g-megillot@McMaster.ca
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 8:13 PM
Subject: [Megillot] Qumran history (brief replies To R. Gmirkin)
[...]
P.S. Y. Hirschfeld p. 161 n. 222 claims J. Zangenberg (2000)
systematically
Well, Stephen, then Zangenberg has already done with Zias in the meantime.
I've thought the battle would last somewhat longer - what a bummer!
_Dierk
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From: Stephen Goranson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Dierk van den Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004
The Multi-layered Stratigraphy of Qumran
and the Dead Sea Scrolls
by Stephen J. Pfann
ASoOR Meetings at Napa, California (1997) rev. 2002 [.pdf]
http://www.uhl.ac/Napa/NapaPaper.pdf
[De te fabula narratur!]
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Has anybody pictures of art. no.(#) 967-971 of KhQ loc.30 ?
Special interest in table # 970, which is not of type # 967 (# 969).
Thanks in advance.
_Dierk
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Let me add this:
Neither Posidonius nor Posidonius in Strabo Geo.
7.3.3-5 are to be called "Essene sources" - again the dissimilar similitude,
herein the "life-without-woman" of the Temple-founding Dakae that reminds
of the "sine ulla femina" in Pliny nat.hist. 5.73 and the corresponding
- Original Message -
From: Dave Washburn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: g-megillot@McMaster.ca
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 2:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Megillot] L30 Tables
[...]
If calculation is a scribal activity then I'd suppose that two of the
three
tables (# 967, # 969) were used for
O- I've missed to answer the calculation
Well, the agricultural branch office is apparently the only workable
alternative to a scroll factory. Now I don't know if you have seen the
movie clip that I've uploaded earlier, for the clip deals in detail with
Zangenberg's Qumran - a possible
- Original Message -
From: Jack Kilmon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jim West [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: g-megillot@McMaster.ca
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Megillot] Qumran history, again
The Essene Gate did lead to something...the Bethso (Latrines)
Those interested in a more up-to-date controversy on Essenism, authorship of
the DSS, halacha in the DSS and the archaeology of Chirbet Qumran should
read the low-priced book (~15 EUR; 200 pages) ed. by J. Frey and H.
Stegemann_Qumran kontrovers_Beiträge zur den Textfunden vom Toten Meer,
Philip wrote:
So I guess we are more or less on the same mind. Also about the
dangers of excessive confidence. One small step in the wrong
direction can take you far from the destination even if thereafter
you walk in a straight line. Scholarship is surely about retracing
checking, changing
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From: philip davies [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Megillot] J. Post on Qumran (problematic)
The key problem is, and always has been, the connection between site
and scrolls. We have a few pieces of
Marginal note.
The identified light at the end of the Essene tunnel might be the incoming
'Wizard of Oz' intercity train ...
On the other hand, the political relation between the robust staff-movement
(as one of the sources behind all literay Essenism) and the Herodian
establisment of the 1st c.
- Original Message -
From: Stephen Goranson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 1:55 PM
Subject: [Megillot] Jonathan: 4Q448, 4Q523, recent bibliography?
[snip]
Posidonius and Strabo, sources on Essenes, considered Alexander,
explicitly
named, as
[snip] Calling on early Qumran deposit is not only a deus ex
machina but one undefined: Ian Young does not investigate whether the
Doudna/
Ian Hutchesson dating has made any credible claim, has any merit, can
really
toss out paleography, archaeology, C14, says that's outside the bounds of
the
4. Note that one of the critics of this asking the question of evidence
for
Period II scroll deposits, Stephen Goranson, holds that the inhabitants
at the end of Qumran Period II were probably different than the
inhabitants at the end of Qumran Period Ib,
probably? It would be impossible by
I'm working on an investigation of the movement of
the mechoqeq, esp. the further being ofthis 'party of the blind' after the
conflict of Torah revelation and the to be expected split caused by the moreh
ha-tsedeq
Any help would be appreciated.
Dierk---Katholieke Universiteit Nijmegen
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