Re: Command-option p-r
On Dec 6, 2008, at 7:28 PM, Jason Brown wrote: I just hold down command and option with my thumb and press the p with my pointer and r with pinky and then use my right hand to turn on my machine. Kris Tilford replied: This works for full size keyboards that have Cmd Opt on both the left right side of the Space bar, but many Macs (all laptops) only have the Cmd Opt together on the left side of the Space bar, requiring the use of the right hand to press the Cmd-Opt pair and the p with the pinky and r with the index finger. On Dec 6, 2008, at 10:28 PM, Clark Martin replied: Many laptops, not all. This MacBook Pro has them on both sides. On Dec 7, 2008, at 12:55 AM, Jason Brown replied: The Command and Option i was referring to anyway was on the left side of the space bar :P On Dec 7, 2008, at 1:12 AM, Kris Tilford replied: In the original posting, you said then use my right hand to turn on my machine. This implies you're using your left hand to press the keys Cmd-Opt-P-R. If you're using your left hand, and the thumb is on the Cmd-Opt keys, this only works if you're pressing Cmd-Opt on the right side of the space bar. Now you're saying your Cmd-Opt are on the left side of the space bar, but this only works for me using the right hand. The left hand is then free to press the Power button on the Mac. I don't understand how you could use your left hand thumb to press Cmd- Opt on the left side of the space bar, and then press the P R with your left index (pointer) and pinky unless you have monster size hands or a tiny keyboard? On Dec 7, 2008, at 3:00 AM, Jason Brown replied: Um, it works for me to use my left hand on left side of keyboard to press the command and option and use pointer finger to press the p and my pinky to press the r, i can do it with no problem actually. You must have large hands then? I can't do this at all. My clear Apple Pro USB corded keyboard is symmetric and has Cmd-Opt on both left right of the space bar, so I can easily do it single handed with either my left or right hand, but I can't do either hand in the method you describe. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Command-option p-r
I must have large hands, that or difference in keyboard. I am using one of the newer aluminum keyboards, non wireless variant. Ive never thought of myself as having large hands, but ive been told that im a large person, so it would make sense lol. On Dec 7, 2008, at 3:10 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Dec 6, 2008, at 7:28 PM, Jason Brown wrote: I just hold down command and option with my thumb and press the p with my pointer and r with pinky and then use my right hand to turn on my machine. Kris Tilford replied: This works for full size keyboards that have Cmd Opt on both the left right side of the Space bar, but many Macs (all laptops) only have the Cmd Opt together on the left side of the Space bar, requiring the use of the right hand to press the Cmd-Opt pair and the p with the pinky and r with the index finger. On Dec 6, 2008, at 10:28 PM, Clark Martin replied: Many laptops, not all. This MacBook Pro has them on both sides. On Dec 7, 2008, at 12:55 AM, Jason Brown replied: The Command and Option i was referring to anyway was on the left side of the space bar :P On Dec 7, 2008, at 1:12 AM, Kris Tilford replied: In the original posting, you said then use my right hand to turn on my machine. This implies you're using your left hand to press the keys Cmd-Opt-P-R. If you're using your left hand, and the thumb is on the Cmd-Opt keys, this only works if you're pressing Cmd-Opt on the right side of the space bar. Now you're saying your Cmd-Opt are on the left side of the space bar, but this only works for me using the right hand. The left hand is then free to press the Power button on the Mac. I don't understand how you could use your left hand thumb to press Cmd- Opt on the left side of the space bar, and then press the P R with your left index (pointer) and pinky unless you have monster size hands or a tiny keyboard? On Dec 7, 2008, at 3:00 AM, Jason Brown replied: Um, it works for me to use my left hand on left side of keyboard to press the command and option and use pointer finger to press the p and my pinky to press the r, i can do it with no problem actually. You must have large hands then? I can't do this at all. My clear Apple Pro USB corded keyboard is symmetric and has Cmd-Opt on both left right of the space bar, so I can easily do it single handed with either my left or right hand, but I can't do either hand in the method you describe. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Kernel Extensions
Hi All, When I moved up from my Sawtooth to a dual G5 2GHz, I took the SATA drives (2 x 320GB) from my heavily-modded G4 and installed them in the G5 - running 10.5.5. Over a period of time, I have tried odd bits of freeware/shareware/demo software - from trusted sources only - some of which I have kept, and some not. Undoubtedly some of these have installed KEXTS, and I'm asking if any of you guys out there know of any utility - shareware or otherwise - which will identify installed kexts, so I know which ones are safe to remove. Thanks in advance for any assistance, Ted --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: List of updates to get from OS 10.4.0 to 10.4.11
Paul wrote: I saw another Mac running 10.4 that had DVD player 4.6.5. I'm not sure where that came from. I upped my 10.4 disk to 10.4.11 in the usual increments (always by using combo updates) and I have DVD player 4.6.5 I can only assume it came with one of the combo updates: I believe it would be legal for me to send it to you off-list - it's 9MB zipped. Let me know if you want it. Ted --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 Problem Booting OS 9
Charles Lenington writes, I hope you remembered to install the os 9 disk drivers on nucleolus after all this frustration. Yeah, I did -- both times! ~Yersinia. Friends don't let friends do Windoze. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: List of updates to get from OS 10.4.0 to 10.4.11
Paul wrote: I saw another Mac running 10.4 that had DVD player 4.6.5. I'm not sure where that came from. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Hello, I am driving an MDD DUALIE 1.25 MHz / 2 GB RAM / 2 -120 GB and 1 - 200 GB HD / NETSCAPE 9.0.0.6 / OS X.4.11 and my DVD Player is 4.6.5. Dan Currie --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
G5 or Intel?
I'm thinking of upgrading from my bulging G4 Digital Audio with a dual 800 processor. I need to decide between a fairly fast G5 tower dual or an Intel iMac (probably reconditioned), somewhere in the $1000- $1500 price range. I'm a little conflicted since getting a tower G5 would make an easy transition since all my drives and pci boards would just plug in. And I have a pair of nice LCD monitors which could be used with an iMac but are set up for a tower. So the intel would require reconfiguring drives onto several firewire boxes or larger drives and a new backup strategy. All expenses beyond the basic machine. The Intel is tempting as current technology but I am put off a bit by the one piece built in monitor and no pci slots. Still, they are powerful and versatile with pretty powerful video boards, some of them upgradeable, I hear.. And I've heard rumors that the next OS upgrade will exclude Motorola machines. One doesn't want to be left too far behind. I do graphics and video, so the relative strengths in these fields of these two choices are of concern. Thoughts? Rich --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G5 or Intel?
On Dec 7, 2008, at 6:18 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm thinking of upgrading from my bulging G4 Digital Audio with a dual 800 processor. I need to decide between a fairly fast G5 tower dual or an Intel iMac (probably reconditioned), somewhere in the $1000- $1500 price range. I'm a little conflicted since getting a tower G5 would make an easy transition since all my drives and pci boards would just plug in. And I have a pair of nice LCD monitors which could be used with an iMac but are set up for a tower. So the intel would require reconfiguring drives onto several firewire boxes or larger drives and a new backup strategy. All expenses beyond the basic machine. The Intel is tempting as current technology but I am put off a bit by the one piece built in monitor and no pci slots. Still, they are powerful and versatile with pretty powerful video boards, some of them upgradeable, I hear.. And I've heard rumors that the next OS upgrade will exclude Motorola machines. One doesn't want to be left too far behind. I do graphics and video, so the relative strengths in these fields of these two choices are of concern. Thoughts? It's heretical, but I would go with a P35-based Hackintosh. I still keep around a Digital Audio (upgraded to be the equivalent of a dual 1.0 GHz Quicksilver 2002) for Mail.app and other functions, but most of my work has been transferred to P35-based Hacks. Certain compute-bound work which takes a tad over an hour on my DA (or my two true QS 2002s) now take no more than 12 minutes on my P35s. This is primarily media authoring and duplication work. Yes, the upcoming OS update will exclude PPC Macs. That is a given. (It could also exclude certain early Intel Macs, although this is not a certainty). The update is deep down in the processor's power management function, which is quite different in Core 2 Intels from PPCs. Hackintoshes have already included provision for this update. That function was fully working as of a few weeks ago. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: upgrading advice
On Dec 6, 2008, at 4:46 PM, PeterH wrote: On Dec 6, 2008, at 12:56 PM, Linda wrote: I've bought more RAM and Leopard. I also have a DVR-104PB that a friend gave me. I understand this is will burn DVDs. Since my other drive is only a DVD player I thought it would be nice to put this one in the bay below the other. Single-layer DVDs, only, and probably only - DVDs, not + DVDs. For my systems, I won't use anything less than a DVR-109. this drive was given to me so I have no out of pocket expense. Purchasing Leopard was a major expense so I doubt I'll spend more for a second drive. At least not right now. Linda in Ohio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: upgrading advice
On Dec 7, 2008, at 7:08 AM, Linda wrote: I've bought more RAM and Leopard. I also have a DVR-104PB that a friend gave me. Single-layer DVDs, only, and probably only - DVDs, not + DVDs. For my systems, I won't use anything less than a DVR-109. this drive was given to me so I have no out of pocket expense. Purchasing Leopard was a major expense so I doubt I'll spend more for a second drive. At least not right now. The downside with a burner as early as a 104 could be -R only, no +R. Early on in the transition from CDs to DVDs, the readers would accept all media, if manufactured, but only -R, if burned. At one point, I had to dual inventory my burned media, because my Macs only accepted -Rs, whereas my set-top boxes only accepted +Rs. So, in deciding to go with the 104, just be aware of the limitations of its available formats. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Running Leopard Install DVD Issues - HD specs?
At 7:16 PM -0800 12/6/2008, Dana Collins wrote: Digital Audio G4 (OWC Mercury 1.5GHz CPU, 1.5 Gig RAM, Pioneer 112 SuperDrive, etc.). Regardless of hard drive, the unit refuses to boot up the retail Install DVD of Leopard. I get the initial grey screen/silver Apple with rotating gear - 30 seconds in (with optical drive whirring away), I can hear the HD time out and spin down; soon thereafter the silver screen and rotating gear freeze Can you boot from any HD that already has OS X on it, internal or external? IOW, is this problem limited to just booting from the DVD or ? Clean the DVD drive. Disconnect the HD. Zap the PRAM. Boot from the DVD. If you cannot boot from the DVD with the HD disconnected, then something else is wrong. Perhaps a processor or memory issue... I took one 40 Gig HD, slapped it into a QuickSilver I have with a slower Sonnet CPU (1 GHz G4), and it boots up via the Install DVD fine. Why do you need to boot from the DVD at all? Just slap a clone of your working system in... - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G5 or Intel?
On Dec 7, 2008, at 6:58 AM, Tony Gamble wrote: On 7-Dec-08, at 9:18 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm thinking of upgrading from my bulging G4 Digital Audio with a dual 800 processor. I need to decide between a fairly fast G5 tower dual or an Intel iMac (probably reconditioned), somewhere in the $1000- $1500 price range. I'm a little conflicted since getting a tower G5 would make an easy transition since all my drives and pci boards would just plug in. And I have a pair of nice LCD monitors which could be used with an iMac but are set up for a tower. So the intel would require reconfiguring drives onto several firewire boxes or larger drives and a new backup strategy. All expenses beyond the basic machine. The Intel is tempting as current technology but I am put off a bit by the one piece built in monitor and no pci slots. Still, they are powerful and versatile with pretty powerful video boards, some of them upgradeable, I hear.. And I've heard rumors that the next OS upgrade will exclude Motorola machines. One doesn't want to be left too far behind. I do graphics and video, so the relative strengths in these fields of these two choices are of concern. Thoughts? Rich For graphics and video work in your budget range, I would recommend the iMac. Your multiple drives could all be handled by a single Drobo unit (www.drobo.com), which now offers a fast Firewire 800 interface (available on the iMac). The next version of OS X, Snow Leopard, is expected to be Intel-only, offering no new features aside from a significant speed boost in optimized code. And the blow of losing all those PCI interfaces is softened by the fact that just about every piece of add-on hardware these days has a USB or Firewire equivalent. Having said all that, I would also recommend waiting until after January's Macworld, since it's right around the corner. Tony I'm gonna have to agree with Tony here. Go iMac! Just sold my G5 dual 2ghz and bought a new macbook and the difference is overwhelming. I can do all the crunching I used to do and have my portable too! Jeff --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
New Wireless Modem
Was having trouble with speed from Linksys wireless modem. Cable provider said the problem was in the modem, so I purchased a new modem. Now I can't connect at all. The original Larry the cable guy came out. He knew nothing about Macs. He said I'd have to made until Monday when someone in the office could set the modem. I can't even get the old one to be recognized. Anyone know how I can get up and running without having to deal with Larry again? George MacMini 1.83 Intel Core 2 Duo 10.5.5 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G5 or Intel?
Note that the slots on the g5 towers are PCI-e format...not the older PCI, so you loose the use of your old cards on either machine (the iMac has no card slots at all). Note also that the G5 and Intel towers all use SATA drives so unless you have a sata controller card in your g4, none of your drives will 'just plug in' either. This is especially true with the iMac which has no slots or extra drive bays to 'plug in' to. As such, plan on leaving your current g4 setup to run those drives/cards as a second machine for the times when you need that hardware. On 12/7/08 9:18 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm thinking of upgrading from my bulging G4 Digital Audio with a dual 800 processor. I need to decide between a fairly fast G5 tower dual or an Intel iMac (probably reconditioned), somewhere in the $1000- $1500 price range. I'm a little conflicted since getting a tower G5 would make an easy transition since all my drives and pci boards would just plug in. And I have a pair of nice LCD monitors which could be used with an iMac but are set up for a tower. So the intel would require reconfiguring drives onto several firewire boxes or larger drives and a new backup strategy. All expenses beyond the basic machine. The Intel is tempting as current technology but I am put off a bit by the one piece built in monitor and no pci slots. Still, they are powerful and versatile with pretty powerful video boards, some of them upgradeable, I hear.. And I've heard rumors that the next OS upgrade will exclude Motorola machines. One doesn't want to be left too far behind. I do graphics and video, so the relative strengths in these fields of these two choices are of concern. Thoughts? Rich --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New Wireless Modem
On Dec 7, 2008, at 8:45 AM, George Hozendorf wrote: Was having trouble with speed from Linksys wireless modem. Cable provider said the problem was in the modem, so I purchased a new modem. Now I can't connect at all. The original Larry the cable guy came out. He knew nothing about Macs. He said I'd have to made until Monday when someone in the office could set the modem. I can't even get the old one to be recognized. Anyone know how I can get up and running without having to deal with Larry again? George MacMini 1.83 Intel Core 2 Duo 10.5.5 Reminds me of when I bought my last Linksys router... Linksys techno support was, I think a mexican that barely if at all could speak a word of english. 2 hours later... a few less hairs on my head, and the gun pointed at my foot, I managed to figure it out till the next wrinkle in my understanding. Since then, I have a recipe that seams to be working better. 1. A modem that came from my provider with guarantee it'll keep working for at least a year and techno support folks I can understand. 2. Apple, Apple and did I say, Apple :-) Jeff --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G5 or Intel?
On Dec 7, 2008, at 9:04 AM, Jack Countryman wrote: Note that the slots on the g5 towers are PCI-e format...not the older PCI, so you loose the use of your old cards on either machine (the iMac has no card slots at all). Note also that the G5 and Intel towers all use SATA drives so unless you have a sata controller card in your g4, none of your drives will 'just plug in' either. This is especially true with the iMac which has no slots or extra drive bays to 'plug in' to. As such, plan on leaving your current g4 setup to run those drives/cards as a second machine for the times when you need that hardware. All of the G5 towers except for the the last generation are PCI compatible (Yes, pci-x is backwards compatible) and an external HD enclosure (FW800) takes care of the drives... Jeff --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New Wireless Modem
At 10:45 AM -0600 12/7/2008, George Hozendorf wrote: MacMini 1.83 Intel Core 2 Duo 10.5.5 Was having trouble with speed from Linksys wireless modem. Cable provider said the problem was in the modem, so I purchased a new modem. Now I can't connect at all. The original Larry the cable guy came out. He knew nothing about Macs. He said I'd have to made until Monday when someone in the office could set the modem. I can't even get the old one to be recognized. Anyone know how I can get up and running without having to deal with Larry again? Cable modems have to be provisioned by the cable company. This is cable-speak for saying they have to register the modem's coax MAC address in their database, so their head-end (CMTS) router will recognize that it belongs to you - a real customer -, and grant it permission to talk. A support person at the cable company must manually type that MAC address into their database, and get it right. Then the information must be pushed to their CMTS -- a process they can do instantly, or that happens automatically every 15 minutes to hours. THEN you have to power cycle the modem, so it will do a full init sequence. Once your modem has fully initialized (most show this with all solid green lights), you can then talk to it with your Mac... Note when I say power cycle I mean exactly that -- UNPLUG the power cable from the modem. WAIT a minute or so. Then plug it back in. The point is to make the modem totally forget any settings it currently has. Using the power button is *insufficient* - as it does not clear the modem's memory. The full initialization sequence can take anywhere from 30 seconds to 15 minutes -- it depends on how clean the signal is over the coax (the modem has to hunt for usable frequencies), and how responsive the cable company's DHCP and TFTP servers are. The DHCP server provides the modem with private IP address. The TFTP server sends the parameter files... - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Currently Best DVD DL for a QS
On Dec 5, 2:00 pm, PeterH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you can get one of those OWC drives which have no bezel and no tray front (and no LED indicators), then do so for a Quicksilver. The QS' media bays are quite different from earlier (and later) Apples. I recently traded out a suspected bad PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-106D with a good one, same style, and didn't notice any bevel issues in the QS. Did I miss something? It was actually bad RAM that made the DVD drive appear to be malfunctioning ... a few days ago, put the bad one in my Yikes! and it seems to be working fine. Is the Pioneer 116D a good one and the most recent? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Currently Best DVD DL for a QS
On Dec 7, 2008, at 9:20 AM, billycar_G3-5 wrote: If you can get one of those OWC drives which have no bezel and no tray front (and no LED indicators), then do so for a Quicksilver. The QS' media bays are quite different from earlier (and later) Apples. I recently traded out a suspected bad PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-106D with a good one, same style, and didn't notice any bevel issues in the QS. Did I miss something? The DVR-111s which OWC had were Apple OEM. These were black, but with no bezel and no tray front. Probably intended for G5s. The QS media bay is quite a bit tighter than earlier and later media bays. This was the only machine to use that specific media bay, BTW. Some drives have to have their tray fronts cut down (if not removable), or removed (if removable). I bought two of the drives from OWC, one for each of my QSes. The QS bay covers up the LED, anyway, so it can never be seen, even if it was present. The earlier bays work well with or without a tray front. The QS works best without a tray front. These pop off on many drives. Is the Pioneer 116D a good one and the most recent? Sounds right. I have been buying SATA burners, only, recently. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New Wireless Modem
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:45 AM -0600 12/7/2008, George Hozendorf wrote: MacMini 1.83 Intel Core 2 Duo 10.5.5 Was having trouble with speed from Linksys wireless modem. Cable provider said the problem was in the modem, so I purchased a new modem. Now I can't connect at all. The original Larry the cable guy came out. He knew nothing about Macs. He said I'd have to made until Monday when someone in the office could set the modem. I can't even get the old one to be recognized. Anyone know how I can get up and running without having to deal with Larry again? Cable modems have to be provisioned by the cable company. This is cable-speak for saying they have to register the modem's coax MAC address in their database, so their head-end (CMTS) router will recognize that it belongs to you - a real customer -, and grant it permission to talk. A support person at the cable company must manually type that MAC address into their database, and get it right. Then the information must be pushed to their CMTS -- a process they can do instantly, or that happens automatically every 15 minutes to hours. THEN you have to power cycle the modem, so it will do a full init sequence. Once your modem has fully initialized (most show this with all solid green lights), you can then talk to it with your Mac... Note when I say power cycle I mean exactly that -- UNPLUG the power cable from the modem. WAIT a minute or so. Then plug it back in. The point is to make the modem totally forget any settings it currently has. Using the power button is *insufficient* - as it does not clear the modem's memory. The full initialization sequence can take anywhere from 30 seconds to 15 minutes -- it depends on how clean the signal is over the coax (the modem has to hunt for usable frequencies), and how responsive the cable company's DHCP and TFTP servers are. The DHCP server provides the modem with private IP address. The TFTP server sends the parameter files... - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth So, you're saying I'm stuck with this 13 year old PC laptop that is picking up a wireless signal from somewhere until tomorrow? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New Wireless Modem
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:41 AM -0600 12/7/2008, George Hozendorf wrote: [html formatting removed] So, you're saying I'm stuck with this 13 year old PC laptop that is picking up a wireless signal from somewhere until tomorrow? Given the information you've provided, I'm guessing your new modem hasn't been provisioned. With Comcast, you just call tech support (24/7), they type it in, it's done. Donno your cable company's policies. You should call 'em. WRT the laptop and wireless you mention above... I guess. If it's an open wireless, why not just use your Mac there too? - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth Cable Co. isn't open on Sunday to handle this. I can't get the Mac to recognize the one I'm using here, which doesn't make any sense to me at all. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Currently Best DVD DL for a QS
I'm the gal who just upgraded my Quicksilver to Tiger without a DVD drive. Can I install a program on a DVD the same way? Or, as Dan said, is may be too moronic not to have a DVD drive these days. Stupid question coming up: are a DVD-RW drive, a Superdrive, and a DVD burner the same thing? Should I buy an internal or does the shape of the bays as noted below indicate an external would be better? I'm over at OWC http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Samsung/SHS202NBLS/ looking at a Samsung and wondering if this plays DVDs as well as burns them (movies on my Mac? I am getting old!). There's also a Pioneer. I can't tell if these are external or internal though. What is disc labeling software? Does it print something on the disk, so you don't have to write in magic markers? On Dec 7, 2008, at 9:20 AM, billycar_G3-5 wrote: If you can get one of those OWC drives which have no bezel and no tray front (and no LED indicators), then do so for a Quicksilver. The QS' media bays are quite different from earlier (and later) Apples. I recently traded out a suspected bad PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-106D with a good one, same style, and didn't notice any bevel issues in the QS. Did I miss something? The DVR-111s which OWC had were Apple OEM. Is the Pioneer 116D a good one and the most recent? Sounds right. I have been buying SATA burners, only, recently. Anne Keller Smith Down to Earth Web Design Intel iMac 2.4gHz Core 2 Duo 1GB RAM, 250GB Hard Drive, OS 10.5.5 G4 Quicksilver 733mHz Tower 896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive, OS 10.2.8 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.downtoearthweb.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G5 or Intel?
On Dec 7, 2008, at 12:35 PM, g3-5-list group wrote: == 1 of 7 == Date: Sun, Dec 7 2008 6:18 am From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm thinking of upgrading from my bulging G4 Digital Audio with a dual 800 processor. I need to decide between a fairly fast G5 tower dual or an Intel iMac (probably reconditioned), somewhere in the $1000- $1500 price range. The 24 inch iMac is just beyond your price range. But for your kind of work, you may be unhappy with the 20 inch version. It is best that you compare the two side by side. You will find the 20 LCD quickly changes contrast and color depending on where you position your head and on the tilt of the machine. One quick test is to note what happens with listings in the Finder windows where the white and pale blue backgrounds alternate line by line. The G5 solution looks like the easiest and least expensive transition. But then you are buying hardware with mileage and no warranty. You have waited many years to move off the G4 which suggests your needs do not demand the latest and greatest. The G5 would give a dramatic improvement in performance. But you may need to consider whether you might feel behind the power curve with the G5, say only a year or two after Snow Leopard comes out and vendor applications catch up with that. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G5 or Intel?
On Dec 7, 2008, at 11:04 AM, Jack Countryman wrote: Note that the slots on the g5 towers are PCI-e format...not the older PCI, so you loose the use of your old cards on either machine. No, this isn't necessarily true. The early G5s, below 2.0 GHz had regular old PCI slots. The middle G5s, the 2.0 2.3 GHz had PCI-X (PCI eXtended) slots that would take extended PCI cards and also the old PCI cards. Only the very last G5s, the late 2.3 dual, 2.5 2.5 GHz had the PCI-E (also called PCIe for PCI Express) slots that are incompatible with to old PCI cards. Most of the G5's ARE compatible with the old PCI cards. The only model that has overlap is the dual 2.3, the PCI-X version is older (early 2005) and uses PC3200 RAM, the PCIe version is newer (late 2005) and uses PC4200 RAM (the RAM is an easy way to tell, all the PCIe Macs use PC4200 or PC5300 RAM). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
keychain G4 question
I just set up a second hand G4 digital audio with OS X 10.3 already installed on it. I used the install disk to reset the admin password, but I didn't realize that the keychain password is also unknown to me. I can't unlock Keychain to put it to use. (There's nothing there at this point--I just want to use it.) Is there any way to get or reset that password short of re-installing the OS? TIA Joe == Joe the Juggler 4148 Wyoming St. St. Louis, MO 63116 (314) 771-3243 http://joethejuggler.com == --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: keychain G4 question
joe wrote: I just set up a second hand G4 digital audio with OS X 10.3 already installed on it. I used the install disk to reset the admin password, but I didn't realize that the keychain password is also unknown to me. I can't unlock Keychain to put it to use. (There's nothing there at this point--I just want to use it.) Is there any way to get or reset that password short of re-installing the OS? Use the Keychain Access utility to delete the keychain file(s). It should work okay after that. You might be better off just creating a whole new admin user and deleting the old one, just to burn the gunk out. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: List of updates to get from OS 10.4.0 to 10.4.11
On 12/7/08 8:41 AM, Dan A. Currie of [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent Paul wrote: I saw another Mac running 10.4 that had DVD player 4.6.5. I'm not sure where that came from. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Hello, I am driving an MDD DUALIE 1.25 MHz / 2 GB RAM / 2 -120 GB and 1 - 200 GB HD / NETSCAPE 9.0.0.6 / OS X.4.11 and my DVD Player is 4.6.5. Dan Currie Sounds right; OS 10.5 moved the DVD Player into version 5.0x family. Best regards, Dana --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
8 gig SanDisk Micro Cruzer does not work
I just purchased an 8 gig SanDisk Micro Cruzer at Staples for $13 on Black Friday but I am having problems with it in Mac OSX.4. It's suppose to work in OSX. I did not install U3 (is there anybody that uses it?). It will copy for awhile and then it just hangs and stops copying. I don't want to use it anymore because I have to force quite the computer to stop it. I have absolutely no problems with it running WinXP. I have never had problems with any Flash drives up till now. Anyone else having problems? Returning it probably won't help. __ Sig: Specs: G4 MDD 1.25 [FW400,running 10.4 Tiger Pittsburgh, PA 15237 alternate e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ebay name: ray78 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Is it a CD or DVD? How can you tell?
Is it a CD or DVD? How can you tell? Without any written info on the disk, how can you tell if it is a DVD or a CD? JML --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Is it a CD or DVD? How can you tell?
Check the color of the back. Typically, CDs are silver, sometimes leaning toward green, and DVDs are purple or gold. If it's blue, well, I've found DVDs and CDs that both had a blue-ish tint. But if it's newer, it's probably silver (CD) or purple (DVD). You could also always stick it into a computer with a SuperDrive, and it'll let you know what kind of blank media you've inserted. HTH, Isaac On Dec 7, 2008, at 8:00 PM, Jonas Lopez wrote: Is it a CD or DVD? How can you tell? Without any written info on the disk, how can you tell if it is a DVD or a CD? JML --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 8 gig SanDisk Micro Cruzer does not work
On Dec 7, 2008, at 7:10 PM, Ray wrote: I just purchased an 8 gig SanDisk Micro Cruzer at Staples for $13 on Black Friday but I am having problems with it in Mac OSX.4. It's suppose to work in OSX. I did not install U3 (is there anybody that uses it?). It will copy for awhile and then it just hangs and stops copying. I don't want to use it anymore because I have to force quite the computer to stop it. I have absolutely no problems with it running WinXP. I have never had problems with any Flash drives up till now. Anyone else having problems? Returning it probably won't help. I have around 6 SanDisk Cruzers of various sizes (they got so cheap, I couldn't resist buying them here and there), and all of them work great. However, the *first* thing I do is to toss the thing onto a Windows box and use U3 to *remove* U3 and fully reformat the stick as just a plain old FAT32 drive. K --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: keychain G4 question
On Dec 7, 2008, at 4:53 PM, Clark Martin wrote: joe wrote: I just set up a second hand G4 digital audio with OS X 10.3 already installed on it. I used the install disk to reset the admin password, but I didn't realize that the keychain password is also unknown to me. I can't unlock Keychain to put it to use. (There's nothing there at this point--I just want to use it.) Is there any way to get or reset that password short of re-installing the OS? Use the Keychain Access utility to delete the keychain file(s). It should work okay after that. You might be better off just creating a whole new admin user and deleting the old one, just to burn the gunk out. Sorry I wasn't very clear. It's a clean OS install (just one that I didn't do). There's nothing stored in keychain right now. The trouble is that I can't begin to use it for storing passwords without the keychain password itself to unlock it. I thought that just used the admin password or user password, but it doesn't. I re-set the admin password (the only account) using the install disk, but I can't unlock Keychain. I hope I'm using the terminology correctly. For example, I just set up an account in Mail, and when you check mail you've got to re-enter the password. After you do so, a dialogue pops up asking if you want to store it in Keychain--to do so you need to enter the Keychain password (the admin account password I just reset doesn't work). Does that make sense? (This is a computer I set up for someone else, so I don't have quick access to it at the moment.) == Joe the Juggler 4148 Wyoming St. St. Louis, MO 63116 (314) 771-3243 http://joethejuggler.com == --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 8 gig SanDisk Micro Cruzer does not work
On Dec 7, 2008, at 9:28 PM, Ken Rossman wrote: I couldn't resist buying them here and there), and all of them work great. However, the *first* thing I do is to toss the thing onto a Windows box and use U3 to *remove* U3 and fully reformat the stick as just a plain old FAT32 drive. To remove U3 you'll need to use the special U3 removal program from Sandisk. Here's a link to the Mac version: http://mp3support.sandisk.com/downloads/cruzer-utility-mac.dmg Here's the Windows version: http://u3uninstall.s3.amazonaws.com/U3Uninstall.exe --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G5 or Intel?
On Dec 7, 2008, at 11:13 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Dec 7, 2008, at 2:10 PM, Jack Countryman wrote: Strange then that the single 1.6 I passed on to mom, and the dual 2.7 I have here now, will not take the old PCI cards...the slots are configured so they don't fit... The dual 2.7 uses PCIe. The single 1.6 has normal PCI slots. Actually, the dual 2.7 has PCI-X slots. PCI-X is mostly backward compatible to PCI. Jack is most likely referring to the slot keying. Around the MDD era, the old 5 volt PCI cards started being phased out in favor of 3.3v or universal PCI cards. To make sure that a card would still work, the slots keying was changed so you couldn't insert an incompatible card. http://support.apple.com/kb/TA27127?viewlocale=en_US Only some 2.0 and 2.3Ghz G5s and all quad 2.5 G5s use PCIe, which is a completely different beast. -Donald Hall --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.5 vrs 10.5.4
On Dec 7, 2008, at 9:47 PM, insightinmind wrote: Has anyone had add on drivers, such as one for a PCI Audio card, that ran okay under 10.5.4, but started causing problems after upgrading to 10.5.5? 10.5.5 introduced a number of problems, and 10.5.6 will introduce many more, both of these versions having their roots in power management. Lots of changes in the power management and processor slowdown areas, with the goals of minimizing/optimizing power dissipation and consumption for both desktop and laptop units. The two have somewhat different objectives: minimizing the power dissipation in desktops (even if the processor speed isn't stepped) and minimizing the power consumption in laptops (usually with speedstep). There are a series of entry-level processors which can address both needs, and in one of them the desktop version sacrifices speedstep but gains 64-bit operations and the option of one or two cores and twice the cache, whereas the laptop version sacrifices 64-bit operations, dual cores and large(r) cache, but gains advanced speedstep. The laptop version has a target power consumption of only 4 watts, which is about one-sixteenth the power consumption of a typical Core 2 Duo. A new power management architecture is needed to address this, and for this purpose, 10.5.6 will have some dramatic changes under the hood. This has got a number of software vendors waiting until 10.5.6 is out before they finally update their products to work with the new (power) paradigm. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G5 or Intel?
On Dec 7, 2008, at 10:26 PM, Donald Hall wrote: Actually, the dual 2.7 has PCI-X slots. PCI-X is mostly backward compatible to PCI. Jack is most likely referring to the slot keying. Around the MDD era, the old 5 volt PCI cards started being phased out in favor of 3.3v or universal PCI cards. To make sure that a card would still work, the slots keying was changed so you couldn't insert an incompatible card. You are correct, and off-list I misinformed Jack about a PCI-X card for his 2.7 GHz G5, so apologies to Jack, and YES, your 2.7 can use PCI-X cards. It's strange to me how the 2.7 GHz is an earlier model than the later 2.0, 2.3 and 2.5 GHz versions that use PCIe. I consider PCIe to be an upgrade from PCI-X, much the way that AGP video was an upgrade from PCI video in the earlier PowerMac G4. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
