On Dec 15, 12:51 pm, Bruce Godfrey wrote:
> So, what is the fastest G4 zif upgrade that was made which could be used in a
> B&W G3? Seems like a 1GHz G4 zif would be the ultimate solution. I recently
> saw a dual 400-500MHz G4 zif go for about $170 on E-Bay. Was a dumb not to
> bid on it?
>
On 12/15/2009 4:48 AM, Ross wrote:
*snip*
> Yeah, I misread the OP, so I deleted the post! I wonder why it showed
> up after I confirmed to REMOVE IT? This is the second or third this
> same error has occured. Something is WRONG with the REMOVE option!
> Pisses me off to appear the fool, when it
On Dec 15, 2009, at 5:45 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:
> You're right. It's not PowerLogix, it's the XLR8 MPe adapter card. I
> forgot about that. They're really rare, but if you could find one and
> add two 600 MHz G4's you'd have not only the most powerful Beige, B&W
> or Yikes; you'd also have the m
On Dec 15, 2009, at 6:26 PM, Kasey Smith wrote:
> I know what a ZIF is. PowerLogix or someone else made an adaptor that
> allowed you to put two ZIF CPUs in it and then it plugged into the
> ZIF socket on the motherboard.
You're right. It's not PowerLogix, it's the XLR8 MPe adapter card. I
forg
On Dec 15, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:
> On Dec 15, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Kasey Smith wrote:
>
>> There are dual-ZIF upgrades that enable you to add two CPUs in one
>> socket, such as dual G4's.
>
> Dual G4's don't have ZIF CPUs or sockets. They are proprietary Apple
> CPU modules, not ZIF.
On Dec 15, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Kasey Smith wrote:
> There are dual-ZIF upgrades that enable you to add two CPUs in one
> socket, such as dual G4's.
Dual G4's don't have ZIF CPUs or sockets. They are proprietary Apple
CPU modules, not ZIF.
The key concept that distinguishes a "ZIF" is that the CP
Well if you download and run Memtest like I said you will find out for sure .
Stewie
> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:04:51 -0800
> Subject: Re: PowerMac G4 RAM limits
> From: stromberg.jonat...@gmail.com
> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
>
> This is not the case, at least with my model (FW800). I t
John Carmonnes approach is exactly what I do to troubleshoot any Mac.
Remove all variables down to a bare bones system.
Disconnect any PCI cards , hard drives except one for the boot drive, all ram
sticks except for one and any other USB hub etc.
Use an Apple keyboard and boot from the hard drive
On Dec 15, 2009, at 12:40 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:
> I don't believe there is such a thing. There are many single G4 ZIFs
> in the 400-600 MHz range, but no "dual". They only dual G4 were not
> ZIF, but custom Apple CPU modules for later PowerMacs.
There are dual-ZIF upgrades that enable you to a
Everyone,
Thank you so much for your advice and suggestions. I will start
working through all of them and update this thread as applicable. I
have recently replaced the old DVD drive and I thought that might help
but not yet. I will focus on the SCSI and the RAM since those are
things I haven't dea
Not the CMD-V, but whenever I try to boot in 10.4 I generally have to
reinstall 10.3, whatever happens seems to corrupt both installations?
I am learning about troubleshooting Macs, so I am not 100% sure but
this seems to be the behavior. I will try again and report any
findings.
Thanks.
On Dec 1
On Dec 15, 2009, at 12:59 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>
> On Dec 15, 2009, at 12:48 PM, John Niven wrote:
>
>> --- On Tue, 12/15/09, Bruce Johnson
>> wrote:
>>> system to 10.4; it turned out to be the flaky external dvd
>>> drive I was
>>> using to install it.
>>
>> Doesn't the install disk do
On Dec 15, 11:41 am, John Carmonne wrote:
> I also would like to find a video card that will support a 23" acrylic Cinema
> Display.
> They run my Studio displays but not the Cinema.
> The Cube 500 specs say it will run it but for now the G4 MDD is the only box
> I have with ADC port to use the
On Dec 15, 2009, at 12:48 PM, John Niven wrote:
> --- On Tue, 12/15/09, Bruce Johnson
> wrote:
>> system to 10.4; it turned out to be the flaky external dvd
>> drive I was
>> using to install it.
>
> Doesn't the install disk do a media check first? I know you can
> bypass that but I always t
> PCI/AGP Cards:
>
> ADPT,1686806-04:
>
> Name: ADPT,2930CU
> Type: scsi
> Bus: PCI
> Slot: SLOT-D
> Vendor ID: 0x9004
> Device ID: 0x5078
> Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x9004
> Subsystem ID: 0x7850
> Revision ID: 0x0003
There are a couple of large threads on the Apple Discuss
I had EXACTLY the same problem in my B&W, I also thought it was the
SCSI card, but when I removed it, the same problem, I was stuck with
10.3, when I attempted to install Tiger, i only got Kernel Panics in
the Installer (when it was something like 30% ), finally I removed the
last RAM stick I insta
Brother Eye wrote:
> Specs below as requested, I will also try the cmd+v and see if that
> gives me anything generally all it does is make the computer
> unbootable unless I do a fresh install of 10.3:
> PCI/AGP Cards:
>
> ADPT,1686806-04:
>
> Name: ADPT,2930CU
> Type: scsi
>
Are you sure the OP is talking about an MDD though?
> This is not the case, at least with my model (FW800). I tested this
> config with a borrowed RAM module last night. The computer boots, and
> reads the RAM as the full 1GB. HOWEVER, it causes some serious
> instability, primarily in the form
--- On Tue, 12/15/09, Bruce Johnson wrote:
> system to 10.4; it turned out to be the flaky external dvd
> drive I was
> using to install it.
Doesn't the install disk do a media check first? I know you can bypass that but
I always thought that was a good idea. then you know the disk and drive a
On Dec 15, 2009, at 12:58 PM, Brother Eye wrote:
> I will also try the cmd+v and see if that
> gives me anything generally all it does is make the computer
> unbootable unless I do a fresh install of 10.3:
There is no way that Cmd-v should make your computer unbootable.
It sounds like you have so
On Dec 15, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Bruce Godfrey wrote:
> So, what is the fastest G4 zif upgrade that was made which could be
> used in a B&W G3?
It's 600 MHz.
> Seems like a 1GHz G4 zif would be the ultimate solution.
I don't believe there is such a thing?
> I recently saw a dual 400-500MHz G4
On Dec 15, 2009, at 11:58 AM, Brother Eye wrote:
> Specs below as requested, I will also try the cmd+v and see if that
> gives me anything generally all it does is make the computer
> unbootable unless I do a fresh install of 10.3:
Check your memory. 10.4 is pickier than 10.3. Download and insta
On Dec 15, 2009, at 1:20 PM, John Carmonne wrote:
> Does the Powerlogix upgrade run at different speeds depending on the
> OS?
I believe the problem is the L2 cache enabler in different version of
OS X. Powerlogix quit developing their CPU Director. As was mentioned
before, the $13 XLR8 Mac
This is not the case, at least with my model (FW800). I tested this
config with a borrowed RAM module last night. The computer boots, and
reads the RAM as the full 1GB. HOWEVER, it causes some serious
instability, primarily in the form of cascading unexpected quits.
SO, not a work around. Post
Specs below as requested, I will also try the cmd+v and see if that
gives me anything generally all it does is make the computer
unbootable unless I do a fresh install of 10.3:
Hardware:
Hardware Overview:
Machine Model:Power Mac G4 (AGP graphics)
CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (2.9)
N
So, what is the fastest G4 zif upgrade that was made which could be used in a
B&W G3? Seems like a 1GHz G4 zif would be the ultimate solution. I recently
saw a dual 400-500MHz G4 zif go for about $170 on E-Bay. Was a dumb not to bid
on it?
Broos
--- On Tue, 12/15/09, Michael G.M. wrote:
On Dec 15, 2009, at 9:20 AM, Jason Brown wrote:
> 10.9.4? Your all set then. :P
>
> On Dec 15, 2009, at 11:15 AM, coolr...@comcast.net wrote:
>
>> FYI... read the fine print. The PowerLogix won't run OS X higher than
>> 10.9.4. I have one in a 400MHz B&W and works great. It runs at 1GHz
>>
It wasn't the $13 so much as the other $110!
I do have a MDD that is my "main" computer!
On 15 Dec 2009, at 17:36, "Michael G.M."
wrote:
> If $ 13 is holding you back, relax and wait a while. Wait for the rain
> to accumulate. There's always that better deal next time anyway. You
> know that
Yep, spotted the lack of 10.4.11 support. They do link to a daystar
program that apparently fixes it for $12.95, care to volunteer to test
it? Then you could dump the "special" partition
>
> On Dec 15, 2009, at 11:15 AM, coolr...@comcast.net wrote:
>
>> FYI... read the fine print. The PowerLo
If $ 13 is holding you back, relax and wait a while. Wait for the rain
to accumulate. There's always that better deal next time anyway. You
know that.
Go back to ebay when the time is right. You'll get an awesome deal on
a G4. The one that says "you'll love me, I have great specs and I'm a
great de
On Dec 15, 2009, at 9:48 AM, Tyrus Manuel wrote:
> I have the above Mac (Power MacG4-AGP) and I have been able to reach
> 10.3.9
> upgrade with only occasional prohibitory signs on startup, but every
> installation of Tiger I have tried gives me the prohibitory on each
> boot.
That's very un
On Dec 15, 2009, at 10:48 AM, Tyrus Manuel wrote:
> I can give more specs if needed, but I wanted to get a sense of
> whether anyone had this problem first.
When you're getting a kernel panic it's nice to know what the panic
text says. Since this is repeatable, use Cmd-v keyboard keys at
st
10.9.4? Your all set then. :P
On Dec 15, 2009, at 11:15 AM, coolr...@comcast.net wrote:
> FYI... read the fine print. The PowerLogix won't run OS X higher than
> 10.9.4. I have one in a 400MHz B&W and works great. It runs at 1GHz
> under OS9 and 500MHz under 10.4.11. I have a 10.4.9 partition
I have the above Mac (Power MacG4-AGP) and I have been able to reach 10.3.9
upgrade with only occasional prohibitory signs on startup, but every
installation of Tiger I have tried gives me the prohibitory on each boot.
One post here led me to think it might be a problem with the Radeon card, I
upgr
FYI... read the fine print. The PowerLogix won't run OS X higher than
10.9.4. I have one in a 400MHz B&W and works great. It runs at 1GHz
under OS9 and 500MHz under 10.4.11. I have a 10.4.9 partition for
doing specific things where it runs at 1GHz.
Rick
On Dec 15, 2009, at 10:57 AM, John C
I understand the nicknames I think, I have a Flower Pot, a Buick MDD, Cheese
Grater, Wally, and in the market for a Toilet Seat 466:-)
John wtmm
On Dec 15, 2009, at 8:50 AM, John Ruschmeyer wrote:
> Smurf= B&W G3 (aka Yosemite)
> Flower= Flower-power iMac
> MolarMac= Beige G3 All-in-one (named
Thanks for the info. I'm always on the lookout for a Sonnet, so far no luck. I
have 3 Cubes.
I've put fans in two of them and 1.5GB RAM in all.
I also would like to find a video card that will support a 23" acrylic Cinema
Display.
They run my Studio displays but not the Cinema.
The Cube 500 spec
Thanks for the reminder, I almost forgot about Giga Designs.
All these processors are a little scarce.
John wtmm
On Dec 15, 2009, at 8:26 AM, Brett M. Roby wrote:
> I was able to upgrade the cpu in my Cube from 450MHz to a 1.8GHz G4. I want
> to say the manufacturer (or at least the name the
Smurf= B&W G3 (aka Yosemite)
Flower= Flower-power iMac
MolarMac= Beige G3 All-in-one (named for its shape)
John
-Original Message-
From: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:g3-5-l...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of John Carmonne
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 9:36 AM
To: g3-5-list@googleg
I was able to upgrade the cpu in my Cube from 450MHz to a 1.8GHz G4. I want
to say the manufacturer (or at least the name they printed on the box) was
Giga Designs. Definitely a worthwhile upgrade, if you intend on using the
Cube for modern applications. That was a fun project!
Good luck!
Cheers,
On Dec 15, 2009, at 5:48 AM, Ross wrote:
> Yeah, I misread the OP, so I deleted the post! I wonder why it showed
> up after I confirmed to REMOVE IT? This is the second or third this
> same error has occured. Something is WRONG with the REMOVE option!
> Pisses me off to appear the fool, when it i
> > > If I replace one of my 512MB sticks with a 1GB stick (equaling 2GB
> > > over 3 sticks), will my computer read it properly? Or does each slot
> > > have a hard limit of 512 MB?
512 MB is the limit for G4 RAM slots. If the G4 boots at all with a 1
GB stick installed it will only read 512 MB
I have a Sonnet 1.2 GHz (single) in my Cube and it runs 10.5.8 well.
Very few processor upgrades work in the Cube and you will need to add
a base fan to expel heat. OWC currently sells PowerLogix Cube upgrades
which come with an 80mmm base fan. I have a PowerLogix upgrade in a
Sawtooth that I'm ver
SmurfTower: PowerMac G3 B&W, Molar Mac: PowerMac G3 All-In-One
On Dec 15, 2009, at 7:36 AM, John Carmonne wrote:
> If it would run like my iMacs G3 700 MHz I think you'll be very
> happy with 10.4.11 on the machine.
>
> I would like to stuff something like this in a Cube to get it up to
> 1.8
On Dec 15, 2009, at 9:36 AM, John Carmonne wrote:
>>
>>> Morning,
>>> Anyone had any experience with these? I'm pretty tempted. Things
>>> holding me back are the need to give them another $13 or
>>> something to
>>> be able to run 10.4.11, and that I could almost bag a complete G4
>>> system fo
I'm new to the list too, but I'm sure that a smurf(smurftower?) is a
Power Mac G3 Blue and White, and a MolarMac is an All in One Power Mac
G3 (sold only for the education market). When you look for their
profiles in LEM you can find their nicknames.
Sorry about my english.
Greetings from Chile.
Jo
If it would run like my iMacs G3 700 MHz I think you'll be very happy with
10.4.11 on the machine.
I would like to stuff something like this in a Cube to get it up to 1.8 dual.
But those are too much $$.
New to the list, What is a SmurfFlower, MolarMac??
John wtmm
On Dec 15, 2009, at 6:03 A
I have been wanting too grab two myself, one for my smurftower and
one for my Molar Mac. If you get one, lemme know how it runs :)
On Dec 15, 2009, at 6:14 AM, Mike wrote:
> Morning,
> Anyone had any experience with these? I'm pretty tempted. Things
> holding me back are the need to give them an
I think there is something missing in your post. What is one of "these"?
John wtmm
25 kids all named Mac
On Dec 15, 2009, at 5:14 AM, Mike wrote:
> Morning,
> Anyone had any experience with these? I'm pretty tempted. Things
> holding me back are the need to give them another $13 or something
Morning,
Anyone had any experience with these? I'm pretty tempted. Things
holding me back are the need to give them another $13 or something to
be able to run 10.4.11, and that I could almost bag a complete G4
system for the money on fleabay.
It sure would be nice to boost one of the smurfs t
Hi All
I have a Cube 500 that I want to increase it's speed to 1.5 or more. I have
read about some of the processors. I'm confused as to which is the most trouble
free.
The ones I've read about are Sonnet and PowerLogix. I saw a video that Adam B
did and the OWC unit (PowerLogix I think) failed
Done this, and pretty confident that the RAM is not the problem. I'm
really just interested in figuring out if there's a hard limit on each
RAM slot, without buying a stick and just trying it.
On Dec 14, 5:42 pm, Stewie de Young wrote:
> Take out all the Ram sticks and run your computer with jus
On Dec 14, 8:29 am, Andy wrote:
> > On Dec 13, 12:16 pm, PETER WARNER wrote:
> >> I feel like This has been hashed over here before, but I could not
> >> find it in a quick look at previous posts. Googling threw me for a
> >> loop, since I saw people talking about 12 volts on "pin 4"?
>
> >
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