Re: MDD CPU in GigE... Not possible?
On Dec 14, 8:29 am, Andy andy.the...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 13, 12:16 pm, PETER WARNER pe...@petermwarner.com wrote: I feel like This has been hashed over here before, but I could not find it in a quick look at previous posts. Googling threw me for a loop, since I saw people talking about 12 volts on pin 4? So, can a MDD dual processor be put in a Dual 450 GigE? Thanks, Peter Absolutely, yes! I did the conversion on a GigE Dual G4/450 (overclocked to 500MHz). Works great! I replaced the stock fans in the PSU with some 35cfm quiet fans I bought at fry's Electronics. I mounted the MDD PSU to the top inside of the GigE case... Lots of clear information on how to install a MDD POWER SUPPLY but the OP was asking if a MDD processor could be installed, which it can't! Andy Yeah, I misread the OP, so I deleted the post! I wonder why it showed up after I confirmed to REMOVE IT? This is the second or third this same error has occured. Something is WRONG with the REMOVE option! Pisses me off to appear the fool, when it is NOT my fault. Somebody fix the problem with the REMOVE option, please. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: PowerMac G4 RAM limits
Done this, and pretty confident that the RAM is not the problem. I'm really just interested in figuring out if there's a hard limit on each RAM slot, without buying a stick and just trying it. On Dec 14, 5:42 pm, Stewie de Young stewies...@hotmail.com wrote: Take out all the Ram sticks and run your computer with just one in place. Use one of the modules that you know is good and try it in the suspect slot as well. That should tell you whether it is the slot or the stick that is at fault. Another way is to download and run Memtesthttp://www.memtestosx.org/joomla/index.php which takes a while but it will tell you if one of your sticks is kaput. Stewie Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:10:49 -0800 Subject: PowerMac G4 RAM limits From: stromberg.jonat...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com One of the RAM slots in my PowerMac G4 FW800 seems to be defective (consistent system hangs when RAM is in the slot, has been operating fine since I pulled it. The RAM stick appears to be good) If I replace one of my 512MB sticks with a 1GB stick (equaling 2GB over 3 sticks), will my computer read it properly? Or does each slot have a hard limit of 512 MB? JS -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is athttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette guide is athttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list _ If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK Australia's #1 job sitehttp://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Cube processor
Hi All I have a Cube 500 that I want to increase it's speed to 1.5 or more. I have read about some of the processors. I'm confused as to which is the most trouble free. The ones I've read about are Sonnet and PowerLogix. I saw a video that Adam B did and the OWC unit (PowerLogix I think) failed at boot. Has any one had experience with these units? John wtmm= -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
1Ghz G3 upgrade?
Morning, Anyone had any experience with these? I'm pretty tempted. Things holding me back are the need to give them another $13 or something to be able to run 10.4.11, and that I could almost bag a complete G4 system for the money on fleabay. It sure would be nice to boost one of the smurfs though -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 1Ghz G3 upgrade?
I think there is something missing in your post. What is one of these? John wtmm 25 kids all named Mac On Dec 15, 2009, at 5:14 AM, Mike wrote: Morning, Anyone had any experience with these? I'm pretty tempted. Things holding me back are the need to give them another $13 or something to be able to run 10.4.11, and that I could almost bag a complete G4 system for the money on fleabay. It sure would be nice to boost one of the smurfs though -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 1Ghz G3 upgrade?
I have been wanting too grab two myself, one for my smurftower and one for my Molar Mac. If you get one, lemme know how it runs :) On Dec 15, 2009, at 6:14 AM, Mike wrote: Morning, Anyone had any experience with these? I'm pretty tempted. Things holding me back are the need to give them another $13 or something to be able to run 10.4.11, and that I could almost bag a complete G4 system for the money on fleabay. It sure would be nice to boost one of the smurfs though -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/ group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 1Ghz G3 upgrade?
If it would run like my iMacs G3 700 MHz I think you'll be very happy with 10.4.11 on the machine. I would like to stuff something like this in a Cube to get it up to 1.8 dual. But those are too much $$. New to the list, What is a SmurfFlower, MolarMac?? John wtmm On Dec 15, 2009, at 6:03 AM, Kasey Smith wrote: I have been wanting too grab two myself, one for my smurftower and one for my Molar Mac. If you get one, lemme know how it runs :) On Dec 15, 2009, at 6:14 AM, Mike wrote: Morning, Anyone had any experience with these? I'm pretty tempted. Things holding me back are the need to give them another $13 or something to be able to run 10.4.11, and that I could almost bag a complete G4 system for the money on fleabay. It sure would be nice to boost one of the smurfs though -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 1Ghz G3 upgrade?
I'm new to the list too, but I'm sure that a smurf(smurftower?) is a Power Mac G3 Blue and White, and a MolarMac is an All in One Power Mac G3 (sold only for the education market). When you look for their profiles in LEM you can find their nicknames. Sorry about my english. Greetings from Chile. Jorge On Dec 15, 11:36 am, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: If it would run like my iMacs G3 700 MHz I think you'll be very happy with 10.4.11 on the machine. I would like to stuff something like this in a Cube to get it up to 1.8 dual. But those are too much $$. New to the list, What is a SmurfFlower, MolarMac?? John wtmm On Dec 15, 2009, at 6:03 AM, Kasey Smith wrote: I have been wanting too grab two myself, one for my smurftower and one for my Molar Mac. If you get one, lemme know how it runs :) On Dec 15, 2009, at 6:14 AM, Mike wrote: Morning, Anyone had any experience with these? I'm pretty tempted. Things holding me back are the need to give them another $13 or something to be able to run 10.4.11, and that I could almost bag a complete G4 system for the money on fleabay. It sure would be nice to boost one of the smurfs though -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 1Ghz G3 upgrade?
On Dec 15, 2009, at 9:36 AM, John Carmonne wrote: Morning, Anyone had any experience with these? I'm pretty tempted. Things holding me back are the need to give them another $13 or something to be able to run 10.4.11, and that I could almost bag a complete G4 system for the money on fleabay. It sure would be nice to boost one of the smurfs though I have been wanting too grab two myself, one for my smurftower and one for my Molar Mac. If you get one, lemme know how it runs :) On Dec 15, 2009, at 6:14 AM, Mike wrote: If it would run like my iMacs G3 700 MHz I think you'll be very happy with 10.4.11 on the machine. I would like to stuff something like this in a Cube to get it up to 1.8 dual. But those are too much $$. New to the list, What is a SmurfFlower, MolarMac?? John wtmm From what I remember, many 1GHz G3s slow down the system bus speed from 100MHz to 66MHz, so it does not give you the full 1GHz speed benefit, but still significantly faster than a 550MHz upgrade. If you have a love of your smurf tower and just want to keep it going out of nostalgia, fine. But if the price is close on ebay, and probably even better on the Swap List, I would go for the G4. Preferably a QS with a 867 processor or better to run 10.5 natively, but there are hacks to get 10.5 running on any G4. Smurf Tower (not flower) is the affectionate nick name given to the blue and white G3 towers. Search for smurfs if you do not know what they look like. Molar Mac refers to a G3 beige all in one that was primarily aimed at the education market. It was an all in one predecessor to the iMac with monitor and a regular beige G3 motherboard (with pci slots and everything) built in. The case had some unusual curves on the top that gave it the look of a Molar tooth. Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 1Ghz G3 upgrade?
SmurfTower: PowerMac G3 BW, Molar Mac: PowerMac G3 All-In-One On Dec 15, 2009, at 7:36 AM, John Carmonne wrote: If it would run like my iMacs G3 700 MHz I think you'll be very happy with 10.4.11 on the machine. I would like to stuff something like this in a Cube to get it up to 1.8 dual. But those are too much $$. New to the list, What is a SmurfFlower, MolarMac?? John wtmm On Dec 15, 2009, at 6:03 AM, Kasey Smith wrote: I have been wanting too grab two myself, one for my smurftower and one for my Molar Mac. If you get one, lemme know how it runs :) On Dec 15, 2009, at 6:14 AM, Mike wrote: Morning, Anyone had any experience with these? I'm pretty tempted. Things holding me back are the need to give them another $13 or something to be able to run 10.4.11, and that I could almost bag a complete G4 system for the money on fleabay. It sure would be nice to boost one of the smurfs though -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Cube processor
I have a Sonnet 1.2 GHz (single) in my Cube and it runs 10.5.8 well. Very few processor upgrades work in the Cube and you will need to add a base fan to expel heat. OWC currently sells PowerLogix Cube upgrades which come with an 80mmm base fan. I have a PowerLogix upgrade in a Sawtooth that I'm very happy with (although they no longer seem to be updating their software). In my experience OWC is very good with customer service. On Dec 14, 8:20 pm, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: Hi All I have a Cube 500 that I want to increase it's speed to 1.5 or more. I have read about some of the processors. I'm confused as to which is the most trouble free. The ones I've read about are Sonnet and PowerLogix. I saw a video that Adam B did and the OWC unit (PowerLogix I think) failed at boot. Has any one had experience with these units? John wtmm= -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: PowerMac G4 RAM limits
If I replace one of my 512MB sticks with a 1GB stick (equaling 2GB over 3 sticks), will my computer read it properly? Or does each slot have a hard limit of 512 MB? 512 MB is the limit for G4 RAM slots. If the G4 boots at all with a 1 GB stick installed it will only read 512 MB of it. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD CPU in GigE... Not possible?
On Dec 15, 2009, at 5:48 AM, Ross wrote: Yeah, I misread the OP, so I deleted the post! I wonder why it showed up after I confirmed to REMOVE IT? This is the second or third this same error has occured. Something is WRONG with the REMOVE option! Pisses me off to appear the fool, when it is NOT my fault. Somebody fix the problem with the REMOVE option, please. Because Delete Post only works for the web-forum interface. Anyone who gets the list by email gets it as soon as it's posted, and thankfully Google cannot hack into all our computers and delete email. Look on the bright side, now you get to join the exclusive Emily 'Never Mind' Latella Club for Internet Goof-ups. I estimate a truly elite 99.% of us (myself included) are members 8-) Damned good instructional post on swapping in a PS, though! -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Cube processor
I was able to upgrade the cpu in my Cube from 450MHz to a 1.8GHz G4. I want to say the manufacturer (or at least the name they printed on the box) was Giga Designs. Definitely a worthwhile upgrade, if you intend on using the Cube for modern applications. That was a fun project! Good luck! Cheers, A message from John Carmonne on 12/14/09 5:20 PM, using the e-mail carmo...@aol.com, contained the following: Hi All I have a Cube 500 that I want to increase it's speed to 1.5 or more. I have read about some of the processors. I'm confused as to which is the most trouble free. The ones I've read about are Sonnet and PowerLogix. I saw a video that Adam B did and the OWC unit (PowerLogix I think) failed at boot. Has any one had experience with these units? John wtmm= -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-listimage.jpg
RE: 1Ghz G3 upgrade?
Smurf= BW G3 (aka Yosemite) Flower= Flower-power iMac MolarMac= Beige G3 All-in-one (named for its shape) John -Original Message- From: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:g3-5-l...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Carmonne Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 9:36 AM To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com I would like to stuff something like this in a Cube to get it up to 1.8 dual. But those are too much $$. New to the list, What is a SmurfFlower, MolarMac?? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Cube processor
Thanks for the reminder, I almost forgot about Giga Designs. All these processors are a little scarce. John wtmm On Dec 15, 2009, at 8:26 AM, Brett M. Roby wrote: I was able to upgrade the cpu in my Cube from 450MHz to a 1.8GHz G4. I want to say the manufacturer (or at least the name they printed on the box) was Giga Designs. Definitely a worthwhile upgrade, if you intend on using the Cube for modern applications. That was a fun project! Good luck! Cheers, image.jpg A message from John Carmonne on 12/14/09 5:20 PM, using the e-mail carmo...@aol.com, contained the following: Hi All I have a Cube 500 that I want to increase it's speed to 1.5 or more. I have read about some of the processors. I'm confused as to which is the most trouble free. The ones I've read about are Sonnet and PowerLogix. I saw a video that Adam B did and the OWC unit (PowerLogix I think) failed at boot. Has any one had experience with these units? John wtmm= -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Cube processor
Thanks for the info. I'm always on the lookout for a Sonnet, so far no luck. I have 3 Cubes. I've put fans in two of them and 1.5GB RAM in all. I also would like to find a video card that will support a 23 acrylic Cinema Display. They run my Studio displays but not the Cinema. The Cube 500 specs say it will run it but for now the G4 MDD is the only box I have with ADC port to use the Cinema. John wtmm 25 kids all named Mac On Dec 15, 2009, at 7:32 AM, dc wrote: I have a Sonnet 1.2 GHz (single) in my Cube and it runs 10.5.8 well. Very few processor upgrades work in the Cube and you will need to add a base fan to expel heat. OWC currently sells PowerLogix Cube upgrades which come with an 80mmm base fan. I have a PowerLogix upgrade in a Sawtooth that I'm very happy with (although they no longer seem to be updating their software). In my experience OWC is very good with customer service. On Dec 14, 8:20 pm, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: Hi All I have a Cube 500 that I want to increase it's speed to 1.5 or more. I have read about some of the processors. I'm confused as to which is the most trouble free. The ones I've read about are Sonnet and PowerLogix. I saw a video that Adam B did and the OWC unit (PowerLogix I think) failed at boot. Has any one had experience with these units? John wtmm= -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 1Ghz G3 upgrade?
I understand the nicknames I think, I have a Flower Pot, a Buick MDD, Cheese Grater, Wally, and in the market for a Toilet Seat 466:-) John wtmm On Dec 15, 2009, at 8:50 AM, John Ruschmeyer wrote: Smurf= BW G3 (aka Yosemite) Flower= Flower-power iMac MolarMac= Beige G3 All-in-one (named for its shape) John -Original Message- From: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:g3-5-l...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Carmonne Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 9:36 AM To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com I would like to stuff something like this in a Cube to get it up to 1.8 dual. But those are too much $$. New to the list, What is a SmurfFlower, MolarMac?? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 1Ghz G3 upgrade?
FYI... read the fine print. The PowerLogix won't run OS X higher than 10.9.4. I have one in a 400MHz BW and works great. It runs at 1GHz under OS9 and 500MHz under 10.4.11. I have a 10.4.9 partition for doing specific things where it runs at 1GHz. Rick On Dec 15, 2009, at 10:57 AM, John Carmonne wrote: I understand the nicknames I think, I have a Flower Pot, a Buick MDD, Cheese Grater, Wally, and in the market for a Toilet Seat 466:-) John wtmm On Dec 15, 2009, at 8:50 AM, John Ruschmeyer wrote: Smurf= BW G3 (aka Yosemite) Flower= Flower-power iMac MolarMac= Beige G3 All-in-one (named for its shape) John -Original Message- From: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:g3-5- l...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Carmonne Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 9:36 AM To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com I would like to stuff something like this in a Cube to get it up to 1.8 dual. But those are too much $$. New to the list, What is a SmurfFlower, MolarMac?? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/ group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Power MacG4-AGP, Radeon 9000 video card can't upgrade to Tiger
I have the above Mac (Power MacG4-AGP) and I have been able to reach 10.3.9 upgrade with only occasional prohibitory signs on startup, but every installation of Tiger I have tried gives me the prohibitory on each boot. One post here led me to think it might be a problem with the Radeon card, I upgraded the firmware and tried again with no luck. I have followed every tip or hint from Apple's support forums, clearing NRAM etc. Has anyone here had a similar issue? I can give more specs if needed, but I wanted to get a sense of whether anyone had this problem first. Thanks for any help. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 1Ghz G3 upgrade?
10.9.4? Your all set then. :P On Dec 15, 2009, at 11:15 AM, coolr...@comcast.net wrote: FYI... read the fine print. The PowerLogix won't run OS X higher than 10.9.4. I have one in a 400MHz BW and works great. It runs at 1GHz under OS9 and 500MHz under 10.4.11. I have a 10.4.9 partition for doing specific things where it runs at 1GHz. Rick -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power MacG4-AGP, Radeon 9000 video card can't upgrade to Tiger
On Dec 15, 2009, at 10:48 AM, Tyrus Manuel wrote: I can give more specs if needed, but I wanted to get a sense of whether anyone had this problem first. When you're getting a kernel panic it's nice to know what the panic text says. Since this is repeatable, use Cmd-v keyboard keys at startup to get the verbose dialog. When it panics, the text should mention which kext is most directly responsible and also the dependencies. This will tell you what is causing the problem. If you post the panic text, someone may be able to tell you how to rectify the situation. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power MacG4-AGP, Radeon 9000 video card can't upgrade to Tiger
On Dec 15, 2009, at 9:48 AM, Tyrus Manuel wrote: I have the above Mac (Power MacG4-AGP) and I have been able to reach 10.3.9 upgrade with only occasional prohibitory signs on startup, but every installation of Tiger I have tried gives me the prohibitory on each boot. That's very unusual, I have the same system and never had an issue upgrading with any OS on it, other than needing to update the system firmware when I installed an upgraded CPU. Full specs please. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 1Ghz G3 upgrade?
If $ 13 is holding you back, relax and wait a while. Wait for the rain to accumulate. There's always that better deal next time anyway. You know that. Go back to ebay when the time is right. You'll get an awesome deal on a G4. The one that says you'll love me, I have great specs and I'm a great deal! to you, is the one you'll buy. The G3 BW I have (400 MHz 1GB RAM) runs snappy enough with it's maxed RAM. Check out this on LEM: http://www.lowendmac.com/mail/07/0517.html Good luck! -Mike On Dec 15, 8:14 am, Mike mike.dogho...@googlemail.com wrote: Morning, Anyone had any experience with these? I'm pretty tempted. Things holding me back are the need to give them another $13 or something to be able to run 10.4.11, and that I could almost bag a complete G4 system for the money on fleabay. It sure would be nice to boost one of the smurfs though -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 1Ghz G3 upgrade?
Yep, spotted the lack of 10.4.11 support. They do link to a daystar program that apparently fixes it for $12.95, care to volunteer to test it? Then you could dump the special partition On Dec 15, 2009, at 11:15 AM, coolr...@comcast.net wrote: FYI... read the fine print. The PowerLogix won't run OS X higher than 10.9.4. I have one in a 400MHz BW and works great. It runs at 1GHz under OS9 and 500MHz under 10.4.11. I have a 10.4.9 partition for doing specific things where it runs at 1GHz. Rick -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 1Ghz G3 upgrade?
It wasn't the $13 so much as the other $110! I do have a MDD that is my main computer! On 15 Dec 2009, at 17:36, Michael G.M. michaelgm717...@gmail.com wrote: If $ 13 is holding you back, relax and wait a while. Wait for the rain to accumulate. There's always that better deal next time anyway. You know that. Go back to ebay when the time is right. You'll get an awesome deal on a G4. The one that says you'll love me, I have great specs and I'm a great deal! to you, is the one you'll buy. The G3 BW I have (400 MHz 1GB RAM) runs snappy enough with it's maxed RAM. Check out this on LEM: http://www.lowendmac.com/mail/07/0517.html Good luck! -Mike On Dec 15, 8:14 am, Mike mike.dogho...@googlemail.com wrote: Morning, Anyone had any experience with these? I'm pretty tempted. Things holding me back are the need to give them another $13 or something to be able to run 10.4.11, and that I could almost bag a complete G4 system for the money on fleabay. It sure would be nice to boost one of the smurfs though -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 1Ghz G3 upgrade?
On Dec 15, 2009, at 9:20 AM, Jason Brown wrote: 10.9.4? Your all set then. :P On Dec 15, 2009, at 11:15 AM, coolr...@comcast.net wrote: FYI... read the fine print. The PowerLogix won't run OS X higher than 10.9.4. I have one in a 400MHz BW and works great. It runs at 1GHz under OS9 and 500MHz under 10.4.11. I have a 10.4.9 partition for doing specific things where it runs at 1GHz. Rick Does the Powerlogix upgrade run at different speeds depending on the OS? John wtmm -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power MacG4-AGP, Radeon 9000 video card can't upgrade to Tiger
Specs below as requested, I will also try the cmd+v and see if that gives me anything generally all it does is make the computer unbootable unless I do a fresh install of 10.3: Hardware: Hardware Overview: Machine Model:Power Mac G4 (AGP graphics) CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (2.9) Number Of CPUs: 1 CPU Speed:500 MHz L2 Cache (per CPU): 1 MB Memory: 1 GB Bus Speed:100 MHz Boot ROM Version: 4.2.8f1 Serial Number:XB02256UHSG Sales Order Number: M7629LL/A Software: System Software Overview: System Version: Mac OS X 10.3.9 (7W98) Kernel Version: Darwin 7.9.0 Memory: DIMM0/J21: Size: 256 MB Type: SDRAM Speed:PC100-322S DIMM1/J22: Size: 256 MB Type: SDRAM Speed:PC100-222S DIMM2/J23: Size: 256 MB Type: SDRAM Speed:PC100-222S DIMM3/J24: Size: 256 MB Type: SDRAM Speed:PC100-222S PCI/AGP Cards: ADPT,1686806-04: Name: ADPT,2930CU Type: scsi Bus: PCI Slot: SLOT-D Vendor ID:0x9004 Device ID:0x5078 Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x9004 Subsystem ID: 0x7850 Revision ID: 0x0003 ATY,RV250: Type: display Bus: AGP Slot: SLOT-A VRAM (Total): 128 MB Vendor: ATI (0x1002) Device ID:0x4966 Revision ID: 0x0001 ROM Revision: 113-99703-127 Display: Type: display Display Type: CRT VRAM (In Use):128 MB Resolution: 1280 x 1024 @ 60 Hz Depth:32-bit Color Main Display: Yes Mirror: Off Online: Yes ATY,Radeon9000i_B: Status: No display connected ATA: ATA-4 Bus: Maxtor 52732U6: Capacity: 25.53 GB Model:Maxtor 52732U6 Revision: DA620XS0 Serial Number:K60AM9WC Removable Media: No Detachable Drive: No BSD Name: disk0 Protocol: ATA Unit Number: 0 Socket Type: Internal OS9 Drivers: Yes Who Knows: Capacity: 25.53 GB Available:2.53 GB Writable: Yes File System: Journaled HFS+ BSD Name: disk0s9 Mount Point: / WDC WD1200BB-00FTA0: Capacity: 111.79 GB Model:WDC WD1200BB-00FTA0 Revision: 15.05R15 Serial Number:WD-WMAES3953327 Removable Media: No Detachable Drive: No BSD Name: disk1 Protocol: ATA Unit Number: 1 Socket Type: Internal OS9 Drivers: Yes Macintosh HD: Capacity: 111.66 GB Available:107.09 GB Writable: Yes File System: Journaled HFS+ BSD Name: disk1s10 Mount Point: /Volumes/Macintosh HD ATA-3 Bus: TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S222L: Manufacturer: TSSTcorp Model:TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S222L Revision: SB01 Serial Number: Drive Type: CD-RW/DVD-RW Disc Burning: Not Supported Removable Media: Yes Detachable Drive: No Protocol: ATAPI Unit Number: 0 Socket Type: Internal On Dec 15, 12:25 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Dec 15, 2009, at 9:48 AM, Tyrus Manuel wrote: I have the above Mac (Power MacG4-AGP) and I have been able to reach 10.3.9 upgrade with only occasional prohibitory signs on startup, but every installation of Tiger I have tried gives me the prohibitory on each boot. That's very unusual, I have the same system and never had an issue upgrading with any OS on it, other than needing to update the system firmware when I installed an upgraded CPU. Full specs please. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: PowerMac G4 RAM limits
This is not the case, at least with my model (FW800). I tested this config with a borrowed RAM module last night. The computer boots, and reads the RAM as the full 1GB. HOWEVER, it causes some serious instability, primarily in the form of cascading unexpected quits. SO, not a work around. Posting here for posterity. Incidentally, in both configurations, my RAM tests still didn't show errors. Subjectively, the computer ran MUCH faster after pulling the 512MB from slot 1 and replacing the 512MB with a 1GB in slot 2... until it destabilized. I am still confident slot 1 is defective. On Dec 15, 10:36 am, dc dbc...@verizon.net wrote: If I replace one of my 512MB sticks with a 1GB stick (equaling 2GB over 3 sticks), will my computer read it properly? Or does each slot have a hard limit of 512 MB? 512 MB is the limit for G4 RAM slots. If the G4 boots at all with a 1 GB stick installed it will only read 512 MB of it. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 1Ghz G3 upgrade?
On Dec 15, 2009, at 1:20 PM, John Carmonne wrote: Does the Powerlogix upgrade run at different speeds depending on the OS? I believe the problem is the L2 cache enabler in different version of OS X. Powerlogix quit developing their CPU Director. As was mentioned before, the $13 XLR8 MachSpeed Control will enable full speed, and possibly the free SonnetCache 1.4 as well? In my opinion, the optimal upgrade CPU would be a 600 MHz G4 rather than the 1 GHz G3. My reasoning is that to get to 1 GHz I believe the G3 bumps the system bus back to 66 MHz rather than the full 100 Mhz, so you're stealing from Peter to pay Paul. Either way, if the L2 cache isn't working correctly, you'll have a dog slow system, so having a fully functional L2 cache enabler is critical to these upgrade CPUs. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power MacG4-AGP, Radeon 9000 video card can't upgrade to Tiger
On Dec 15, 2009, at 11:58 AM, Brother Eye wrote: Specs below as requested, I will also try the cmd+v and see if that gives me anything generally all it does is make the computer unbootable unless I do a fresh install of 10.3: Check your memory. 10.4 is pickier than 10.3. Download and install Applejack with memtest, and let it go. replace any questionable dimms. Have you tried a different Tiger installer disk or a different drive? I just remembered once having a similar problem updating a similar system to 10.4; it turned out to be the flaky external dvd drive I was using to install it. On mine it would go through the install just fine, but then it would barf on the reboot. Since 10.3 is on CD's you might have a drive with the dvd part that is failing, or the tiger DVD itself is bad. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 1Ghz G3 upgrade?
On Dec 15, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Bruce Godfrey wrote: So, what is the fastest G4 zif upgrade that was made which could be used in a BW G3? It's 600 MHz. Seems like a 1GHz G4 zif would be the ultimate solution. I don't believe there is such a thing? I recently saw a dual 400-500MHz G4 zif go for about $170 on E-Bay. Was a dumb not to bid on it? I don't believe there is such a thing. There are many single G4 ZIFs in the 400-600 MHz range, but no dual. They only dual G4 were not ZIF, but custom Apple CPU modules for later PowerMacs. Since these modules are removable, many people often incorrectly describe them as ZIF (short for Zero Insertion Force), which is a specific type of socket used in many computers, but only in the Macintosh Beige, BW, and Yikes. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Insertion_Force -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power MacG4-AGP, Radeon 9000 video card can't upgrade to Tiger
On Dec 15, 2009, at 12:58 PM, Brother Eye wrote: I will also try the cmd+v and see if that gives me anything generally all it does is make the computer unbootable unless I do a fresh install of 10.3: There is no way that Cmd-v should make your computer unbootable. It sounds like you have some larger problem perhaps. Bruce's advice on checking the memory is a good place to start. Also, make sure the PRAM battery is good. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power MacG4-AGP, Radeon 9000 video card can't upgrade to Tiger
--- On Tue, 12/15/09, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: system to 10.4; it turned out to be the flaky external dvd drive I was using to install it. Doesn't the install disk do a media check first? I know you can bypass that but I always thought that was a good idea. then you know the disk and drive are OK before you start. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: PowerMac G4 RAM limits
Are you sure the OP is talking about an MDD though? This is not the case, at least with my model (FW800). I tested this config with a borrowed RAM module last night. The computer boots, and reads the RAM as the full 1GB. HOWEVER, it causes some serious instability, primarily in the form of cascading unexpected quits. SO, not a work around. Posting here for posterity. Incidentally, in both configurations, my RAM tests still didn't show errors. Subjectively, the computer ran MUCH faster after pulling the 512MB from slot 1 and replacing the 512MB with a 1GB in slot 2... until it destabilized. I am still confident slot 1 is defective. On Dec 15, 10:36 am, dc dbc...@verizon.net wrote: If I replace one of my 512MB sticks with a 1GB stick (equaling 2GB over 3 sticks), will my computer read it properly? Or does each slot have a hard limit of 512 MB? 512 MB is the limit for G4 RAM slots. If the G4 boots at all with a 1 GB stick installed it will only read 512 MB of it. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power MacG4-AGP, Radeon 9000 video card can't upgrade to Tiger
Brother Eye wrote: Specs below as requested, I will also try the cmd+v and see if that gives me anything generally all it does is make the computer unbootable unless I do a fresh install of 10.3: PCI/AGP Cards: ADPT,1686806-04: Name: ADPT,2930CU Type: scsi Bus:PCI Slot: SLOT-D Vendor ID: 0x9004 Device ID: 0x5078 Subsystem Vendor ID:0x9004 Subsystem ID: 0x7850 Revision ID:0x0003 This may be your problem, the SCSI card. There is some reports of problems with it under Tiger. As a first test I'd pull the card and see how it boots. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power MacG4-AGP, Radeon 9000 video card can't upgrade to Tiger
I had EXACTLY the same problem in my BW, I also thought it was the SCSI card, but when I removed it, the same problem, I was stuck with 10.3, when I attempted to install Tiger, i only got Kernel Panics in the Installer (when it was something like 30% ), finally I removed the last RAM stick I installed and it worked with no problems, then I reinstalled the RAM stick and now my Mac is working with Tiger happily , so, my suggestion is to install with one stick of Ram installed and then put the rest in. That worked for me. Sorry about my english Greetings from Chile Jorge Quiroz,. On Dec 15, 5:15 pm, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: Brother Eye wrote: Specs below as requested, I will also try the cmd+v and see if that gives me anything generally all it does is make the computer unbootable unless I do a fresh install of 10.3: PCI/AGP Cards: ADPT,1686806-04: Name: ADPT,2930CU Type: scsi Bus: PCI Slot: SLOT-D Vendor ID: 0x9004 Device ID: 0x5078 Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x9004 Subsystem ID: 0x7850 Revision ID: 0x0003 This may be your problem, the SCSI card. There is some reports of problems with it under Tiger. As a first test I'd pull the card and see how it boots. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power MacG4-AGP, Radeon 9000 video card can't upgrade to Tiger
PCI/AGP Cards: ADPT,1686806-04: Name: ADPT,2930CU Type: scsi Bus: PCI Slot: SLOT-D Vendor ID: 0x9004 Device ID: 0x5078 Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x9004 Subsystem ID: 0x7850 Revision ID: 0x0003 There are a couple of large threads on the Apple Discussion Boards about Adaptec SCSI board problems under Tiger, including kernel panics at startup or very soon after. There is a kernel extension that seems very involved, the one named Adaptec290X-2930.kext. Try pulling the Adaptec card and installing on an ATA drive. If you then remove the Adaptec290X-2930.kext from the System/Library/Extensions folder you should be able to put the SCSI card back in but you probably won't be able to deep sleep the machine. Make sure the card has the latest firmware, if it's still at v1.0 you need to upgrade it. For good measure I also set all my SCSI IDs at high numbers (5, 6, 7, 8, etc.) because Tiger reads SCSI devices as ATA devices and sometimes panics when it can't distinguish between buses. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power MacG4-AGP, Radeon 9000 video card can't upgrade to Tiger
On Dec 15, 2009, at 12:48 PM, John Niven wrote: --- On Tue, 12/15/09, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: system to 10.4; it turned out to be the flaky external dvd drive I was using to install it. Doesn't the install disk do a media check first? I know you can bypass that but I always thought that was a good idea. then you know the disk and drive are OK before you start. It was passing the check. It was a weird issue with the external FW enclosure that for some reason wasn't showing up on the check. I ended up installing the DVD drive internally and it worked. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Cube processor
On Dec 15, 11:41 am, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: I also would like to find a video card that will support a 23 acrylic Cinema Display. They run my Studio displays but not the Cinema. The Cube 500 specs say it will run it but for now the G4 MDD is the only box I have with ADC port to use the Cinema. CubeOwner forum might be the place to look for more detailed info. I have a GeForce 6200 256 MB video card in my Cube, I think it's one of the best cards for the Cube but there's no ADC port, only VGA/DVI/s- video. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power MacG4-AGP, Radeon 9000 video card can't upgrade to Tiger
On Dec 15, 2009, at 12:59 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Dec 15, 2009, at 12:48 PM, John Niven wrote: --- On Tue, 12/15/09, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: system to 10.4; it turned out to be the flaky external dvd drive I was using to install it. Doesn't the install disk do a media check first? I know you can bypass that but I always thought that was a good idea. then you know the disk and drive are OK before you start. It was passing the check. It was a weird issue with the external FW enclosure that for some reason wasn't showing up on the check. I ended up installing the DVD drive internally and it worked. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD Maybe this story will be of some use. I got a G4 MDD 1.0 dual That a friend gave me because of the same problem you speak of. He was told that the Mother board, well you know the rest. Sometimes it would half boot. maybe boot then panic after a few sec. many panics during boot, no response of any kind and so on. I spent some days getting this machine running and what a jewell it has become for me, a real workhorse. I found that the machine likes to have the boot drive in the first 100 bay (against the front wall). I partitioned my 500GB drive to 190 for the boot drive because I boot OS9 also. I disconnected every item from the machine including the RAM and PRAM Batt and HDDs. Let the thing sit for a couple. Cleaned the Ram slots. Then the CUDA down for 30 sec. Install the one HDD, RAM and PRAM batt. I installed OS9 (with a special ROM for MDD) first and then OS 10.4.11 This worked for me. John wtmm -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power MacG4-AGP, Radeon 9000 video card can't upgrade to Tiger
Not the CMD-V, but whenever I try to boot in 10.4 I generally have to reinstall 10.3, whatever happens seems to corrupt both installations? I am learning about troubleshooting Macs, so I am not 100% sure but this seems to be the behavior. I will try again and report any findings. Thanks. On Dec 15, 2:44 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Dec 15, 2009, at 12:58 PM, Brother Eye wrote: I will also try the cmd+v and see if that gives me anything generally all it does is make the computer unbootable unless I do a fresh install of 10.3: There is no way that Cmd-v should make your computer unbootable. It sounds like you have some larger problem perhaps. Bruce's advice on checking the memory is a good place to start. Also, make sure the PRAM battery is good. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power MacG4-AGP, Radeon 9000 video card can't upgrade to Tiger
Everyone, Thank you so much for your advice and suggestions. I will start working through all of them and update this thread as applicable. I have recently replaced the old DVD drive and I thought that might help but not yet. I will focus on the SCSI and the RAM since those are things I haven't dealt with and were upgraded before I got the system. Again thank you. Ty On Dec 15, 3:59 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Dec 15, 2009, at 12:48 PM, John Niven wrote: --- On Tue, 12/15/09, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: system to 10.4; it turned out to be the flaky external dvd drive I was using to install it. Doesn't the install disk do a media check first? I know you can bypass that but I always thought that was a good idea. then you know the disk and drive are OK before you start. It was passing the check. It was a weird issue with the external FW enclosure that for some reason wasn't showing up on the check. I ended up installing the DVD drive internally and it worked. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 1Ghz G3 upgrade?
On Dec 15, 2009, at 12:40 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: I don't believe there is such a thing. There are many single G4 ZIFs in the 400-600 MHz range, but no dual. They only dual G4 were not ZIF, but custom Apple CPU modules for later PowerMacs. There are dual-ZIF upgrades that enable you to add two CPUs in one socket, such as dual G4's. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
RE: Power MacG4-AGP, Radeon 9000 video card can't upgrade to Tiger
John Carmonnes approach is exactly what I do to troubleshoot any Mac. Remove all variables down to a bare bones system. Disconnect any PCI cards , hard drives except one for the boot drive, all ram sticks except for one and any other USB hub etc. Use an Apple keyboard and boot from the hard drive then see is you have any problems. I'd wipe the hard drive and then see about installing Tiger straight onto it. Then slowly bring back all the things you disconnected to start with and test your system at each point. Stewie From: tyrusman...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:48:54 -0500 Subject: Power MacG4-AGP, Radeon 9000 video card can't upgrade to Tiger To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com I have the above Mac (Power MacG4-AGP) and I have been able to reach 10.3.9 upgrade with only occasional prohibitory signs on startup, but every installation of Tiger I have tried gives me the prohibitory on each boot. One post here led me to think it might be a problem with the Radeon card, I upgraded the firmware and tried again with no luck. I have followed every tip or hint from Apple's support forums, clearing NRAM etc. Has anyone here had a similar issue? I can give more specs if needed, but I wanted to get a sense of whether anyone had this problem first. Thanks for any help. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list _ Use Messenger in your Hotmail inbox Find out how http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/hotmail/article/823454/web-im-for-hotmail-is-here -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
RE: PowerMac G4 RAM limits
Well if you download and run Memtest like I said you will find out for sure . Stewie Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:04:51 -0800 Subject: Re: PowerMac G4 RAM limits From: stromberg.jonat...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com This is not the case, at least with my model (FW800). I tested this config with a borrowed RAM module last night. The computer boots, and reads the RAM as the full 1GB. HOWEVER, it causes some serious instability, primarily in the form of cascading unexpected quits. SO, not a work around. Posting here for posterity. Incidentally, in both configurations, my RAM tests still didn't show errors. Subjectively, the computer ran MUCH faster after pulling the 512MB from slot 1 and replacing the 512MB with a 1GB in slot 2... until it destabilized. I am still confident slot 1 is defective. On Dec 15, 10:36 am, dc dbc...@verizon.net wrote: If I replace one of my 512MB sticks with a 1GB stick (equaling 2GB over 3 sticks), will my computer read it properly? Or does each slot have a hard limit of 512 MB? 512 MB is the limit for G4 RAM slots. If the G4 boots at all with a 1 GB stick installed it will only read 512 MB of it. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list _ Use Messenger in your Hotmail inbox Find out how http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/hotmail/article/823454/web-im-for-hotmail-is-here -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 1Ghz G3 upgrade?
On Dec 15, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Kasey Smith wrote: There are dual-ZIF upgrades that enable you to add two CPUs in one socket, such as dual G4's. Dual G4's don't have ZIF CPUs or sockets. They are proprietary Apple CPU modules, not ZIF. The key concept that distinguishes a ZIF is that the CPU has hundreds of small pins that drop into small holes in the socket. It takes no force to insert the pins, instead, a small lever on the side of the socket clamps all the pins simultaneously. No tools are required to change a ZIF CPU, whereas the dual G4 CPU modules are attached with screws, and are not ZIF sockets. If you are still confused about what a ZIF is, look at this, there is a photo of a ZIF socket: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Insertion_Force -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 1Ghz G3 upgrade?
On Dec 15, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Dec 15, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Kasey Smith wrote: There are dual-ZIF upgrades that enable you to add two CPUs in one socket, such as dual G4's. Dual G4's don't have ZIF CPUs or sockets. They are proprietary Apple CPU modules, not ZIF. The key concept that distinguishes a ZIF is that the CPU has hundreds of small pins that drop into small holes in the socket. It takes no force to insert the pins, instead, a small lever on the side of the socket clamps all the pins simultaneously. No tools are required to change a ZIF CPU, whereas the dual G4 CPU modules are attached with screws, and are not ZIF sockets. I know what a ZIF is. PowerLogix or someone else made an adaptor that allowed you to put two ZIF CPUs in it and then it plugged into the ZIF socket on the motherboard. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 1Ghz G3 upgrade?
On Dec 15, 2009, at 6:26 PM, Kasey Smith wrote: I know what a ZIF is. PowerLogix or someone else made an adaptor that allowed you to put two ZIF CPUs in it and then it plugged into the ZIF socket on the motherboard. You're right. It's not PowerLogix, it's the XLR8 MPe adapter card. I forgot about that. They're really rare, but if you could find one and add two 600 MHz G4's you'd have not only the most powerful Beige, BW or Yikes; you'd also have the most expensive. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 1Ghz G3 upgrade?
On Dec 15, 2009, at 5:45 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: You're right. It's not PowerLogix, it's the XLR8 MPe adapter card. I forgot about that. They're really rare, but if you could find one and add two 600 MHz G4's you'd have not only the most powerful Beige, BW or Yikes; you'd also have the most expensive. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/ group/g3-5-list Or you could go for two 1GHz G3's. I don't think thats compatible though... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD CPU in GigE... Not possible?
On 12/15/2009 4:48 AM, Ross wrote: *snip* Yeah, I misread the OP, so I deleted the post! I wonder why it showed up after I confirmed to REMOVE IT? This is the second or third this same error has occured. Something is WRONG with the REMOVE option! Pisses me off to appear the fool, when it is NOT my fault. Somebody fix the problem with the REMOVE option, please. Wait, there is a web interface to a mailing list? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 1Ghz G3 upgrade?
On Dec 15, 12:51 pm, Bruce Godfrey bro...@verizon.net wrote: So, what is the fastest G4 zif upgrade that was made which could be used in a BW G3? Seems like a 1GHz G4 zif would be the ultimate solution. I recently saw a dual 400-500MHz G4 zif go for about $170 on E-Bay. Was a dumb not to bid on it? Not necessarily the fastest but one of the most available and reliable upgrades is a Sonnet 500 MHz G4 ZIF. I've found them for under $50 used, I have them in a beige G3, B W G3 and a Yikes G4. They run 10.4.11 very well, especially when the RAM is maxed out. I also have a Yikes with an OWC 533 MHz G4 that's been running daily for more than 5 years, but those are just about impossible to find today. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
