RE: Upgrade my Ge

[Robert Long]

thanks ksam 279   I really appreciate all you people are doing to help me.  I 
know a little about my macs but not too much.  I could not even begin to know 
how to upgrade or fix one.   

Robert Long



From: kasm...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Upgrade my Ge
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:32:54 -0700
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com


yes, you have it right. 
On Dec 21, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Robert Long wrote:Here is what is on my G3  ser. 
SB913SWCG9DETHERNET ID *00 50 E4D8 6A* 310 MHZ 512K CACHE 64 MB SDRAM HD CDR
I think   this chip speed, cache and memory  
sdram  and no dvdright?
Robert Long



From: kasm...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Upgrade my Ge
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:24:16 -0700
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com

Try looking on the back, below the power plugs. There should be a sticker that 
has two barcodes and says something like 
400MHZ/1MB CACHE/64MB SDRAM/6GB HD/DVD-ROM/KB
This means that the machine has a 400MHz CPU, 1MB of CPU cache, 64MB of RAM, a 
6GB hard drive, a DVD-ROM drive (and a DVD decoder card on the video card, same 
with DVD-RAM), and i have no idea about the KB. Those are the specs from the 
factory, and it should help with determining if your machine has a DVD drive. 
Also, you can flip the drive door down and if theres a DVD logo there, you have 
a DVD drive. If not, you most likely have a CD-RW drive.
On Dec 21, 2009, at 5:28 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote:Mine is just blue side 
panels and front.I tried a OS 10 4 tiger and it won't read the disk.
Robert Long




I suspect that you B&W is not equipped with a DVD drive.
Larry





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Re: PCI _ SATA Controller cards

[Len Gerstel]

On Dec 21, 2009, at 9:08 PM, Ross wrote:
>
> As regards the QS systems and the MDD, all have PCI-X slots.. PCI-X
> cards are usually backward compatible with PCI slots, though the
> actual bandwidth takes a considerable hit.

Sorry, Ross. PCI X did not make an appearance until the G5s. And not  
in the low end 1.6GHz, that had regular PCI slots.

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Re: PCI _ SATA Controller cards

[Ross]

On Dec 21, 10:33 am, toothgrisle  wrote:
>    I'm looking for an PCI SATA controller card.
>    Most of the options that I've come across do not support OS 10.3,
> and even the "factory page" varies on more than a few of them relative
> to this.  Perhaps I need to know what works, instead of what is
> "supported"?
>    I have three Mac G4s, two Quicksilver @ 867MHz, and a Firewire 800/
> Mirrored Door Drive @ 1 GHz, that I would like to expand the storage
> on with SATA drives (also to get around the HD size limits on the
> Quicksilver of 128 GB).  Most specs PCI and PCI-X.  I'm pretty sure
> neither of these models have PSI-X slots, but most of the PCI-X
> controller cards seem to be backward compatible to PCI.
>      I am running OS X 10.3.9 in one Quicksilver and OS X 10.4.11 in
> the other, and will be running OS X 10.3.9 in the Mirrored Door
> Drive.  Some also state that they do not support booting.  Does that
> mean that I will still have to keep at least one PATA drive in to boot
> the OS from?  And, lastly, Will I have to be careful about what kind
> of SATA drives I get to install, since I don't quite understand the
> SATA or SATA II complexity.
>   So what's a cheap solution for installing SATA drives in an QS
> (pre-2002)?   A PCI SATA   
> controller card?   Which one works good.. personal experience please..
>  
>
>      Many thanks,
>              Robert C
>              P. O. Box 265
>              Mount Crawford, VA

As regards the QS systems and the MDD, all have PCI-X slots.. PCI-X
cards are usually backward compatible with PCI slots, though the
actual bandwidth takes a considerable hit. If you buy and install one
of the SATA controllers i referred you to, you do not need to keep a
PATA HDD connected to boot from since the SATA controllers I
referenced are bootable. Generally, SATA II hard drives are backward
compatable with SATA I controllers. You will not be able to saturate
the PCI-X buss with either SATA I or SATA II HDDs. The only caveat
with regard to SATA drives is some controllers do not support HDDs
with SSC (Spread Spectrum Clocking), but most drives, other than a few
Hitachi models, can be jumpered to disable SSC.

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Re: PCI _ SATA Controller cards

[Ross]

On Dec 21, 10:33 am, toothgrisle  wrote:
>    I'm looking for an PCI SATA controller card.
>    Most of the options that I've come across do not support OS 10.3,
> and even the "factory page" varies on more than a few of them relative
> to this.  Perhaps I need to know what works, instead of what is
> "supported"?
>    I have three Mac G4s, two Quicksilver @ 867MHz, and a Firewire 800/
> Mirrored Door Drive @ 1 GHz, that I would like to expand the storage
> on with SATA drives (also to get around the HD size limits on the
> Quicksilver of 128 GB).  Most specs PCI and PCI-X.  I'm pretty sure
> neither of these models have PSI-X slots, but most of the PCI-X
> controller cards seem to be backward compatible to PCI.
>      I am running OS X 10.3.9 in one Quicksilver and OS X 10.4.11 in
> the other, and will be running OS X 10.3.9 in the Mirrored Door
> Drive.  Some also state that they do not support booting.  Does that
> mean that I will still have to keep at least one PATA drive in to boot
> the OS from?  And, lastly, Will I have to be careful about what kind
> of SATA drives I get to install, since I don't quite understand the
> SATA or SATA II complexity.
>   So what's a cheap solution for installing SATA drives in an QS
> (pre-2002)?   A PCI SATA   
> controller card?   Which one works good.. personal experience please..
>  
>
>      Many thanks,
>              Robert C
>              P. O. Box 265
>  Mount Crawford, VA


Acard AEC-6290M, AEC-6293M are bootable SATA controllers/adapter that
work fine in all the systems you have cited. The AEC-6293M also has a
PATA channel, and supports ATAPI devices on both SATA and PATA
interfaces. That is a BIG plus as most new optical drives are SATA.

Also, most of the Firmtek/Seritek line of SATA controllers are
bootable, but none support ATAPI devices. The best are the 1V4, 1VE4,
or  the 1VE2+2.

Any SATA card that requires the installation of drivers is usually NOT-
bootable. Most SATA RAID controllers do not support ATAPI devices.

Sonnet SATA cards are re-branded OEM Firmtek/Seritek cards.

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Re: Bluray revisited

[Brett M. Roby]

A message from "John Carmonne" on 12/21/09 12:59 PM, using the e-mail
, contained the following:

> Sounds pretty good to me, what about audio does the Bluray player connect to
> my stereo.
> also can I play an image thru the player or is a disk necessary?
> John Carmonne
> Yorba Linda USA
> 
> 25 kids all named Mac


I was trying to follow this earlier when you originally sent it a day or two
ago, but was busy with my own project so I didn¹t get to really see what the
inquiry was aboutso I¹m assuming that you¹re new to Blu-ray, and that
you¹re asking how to go about hooking one up to an HDTV ‹ a Vizio 32² if
memory serves me correctly.

If this is correct, all you need is an HDMI cable, which carries high
definition (HD) video and audio over that singular cable. Blu-ray player ->
TV, with the arrow being the HDMI cable.

If your receiver has HDMI inputs, then you will hook up the Blu-ray player
to that receiver, and then the receiver to your HDTV. Blu-ray player ->
stereo -> TV.

If your receiver doesn¹t have HDMI, then it becomes your setup becomes
little more complicated and less than ideal ‹ if for no other reason than
you won¹t be realizing full HD, which kind of defeats the purpose of going
with Blu-ray. You will have several decisions to make if this is the case as
far as how you want to send your audio and video, and I¹ll go into it
further if this is your situation. 

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Re: Lost finder and desktop Indo

[Dan]

At 3:28 PM -0700 12/21/2009, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>On Dec 21, 2009, at 2:42 PM, BlackShark Films wrote:
>  > and somehow lost all my non MAc apps and desltop
>>  screen. I am limited to Safari, calculator and MacMail. If I download
>>  something like Quicktime update it goes through but i cannot see it.
>>  I cannot use the finder and i cannot get to disk utility to repair
>>  disc permissions or anything lke that. The apps appear in the dock
>>  but they won't open.
>
>It will be sub-optimal, but try running Permissions repair from the OS 
>installer disk.
>
>It might get you up to the point where things will work again enough 
>to finish the repair.

Rebuild the launch services database with a tool such as OnyX.

- Dan.
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Re: Upgrade my Ge

[Kasey Smith]

yes, you have it right.
On Dec 21, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Robert Long wrote:

> Here is what is on my G3  ser. SB913SWCG9D
> ETHERNET ID *00 50 E4D8 6A* 310 MHZ 512K CACHE 64 MB SDRAM HD CDR
> I think this chip speed, cache and  
> memory  sdram  and no dvd
> right?
> Robert Long
>
>
>
> From: kasm...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: Upgrade my Ge
> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:24:16 -0700
> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
>
> Try looking on the back, below the power plugs. There should be a  
> sticker that has two barcodes and says something like
>
> 400MHZ/1MB CACHE/64MB SDRAM/6GB HD/DVD-ROM/KB
>
> This means that the machine has a 400MHz CPU, 1MB of CPU cache,  
> 64MB of RAM, a 6GB hard drive, a DVD-ROM drive (and a DVD decoder  
> card on the video card, same with DVD-RAM), and i have no idea  
> about the KB. Those are the specs from the factory, and it should  
> help with determining if your machine has a DVD drive. Also, you  
> can flip the drive door down and if theres a DVD logo there, you  
> have a DVD drive. If not, you most likely have a CD-RW drive.
>
> On Dec 21, 2009, at 5:28 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote:
>
> Mine is just blue side panels and front.I tried a OS 10 4 tiger  
> and it won't read the disk.
> Robert Long
>
>
>
>
> I suspect that you B&W is not equipped with a DVD drive.
>
> Larry

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RE: Upgrade my Ge

[Robert Long]

Here is what is on my G3  ser. SB913SWCG9DETHERNET ID *00 50 E4D8 6A* 310 MHZ 
512K CACHE 64 MB SDRAM HD CDR
I think   this chip speed, cache and memory  
sdram  and no dvdright?
Robert Long



From: kasm...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Upgrade my Ge
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:24:16 -0700
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com


Try looking on the back, below the power plugs. There should be a sticker that 
has two barcodes and says something like 
400MHZ/1MB CACHE/64MB SDRAM/6GB HD/DVD-ROM/KB
This means that the machine has a 400MHz CPU, 1MB of CPU cache, 64MB of RAM, a 
6GB hard drive, a DVD-ROM drive (and a DVD decoder card on the video card, same 
with DVD-RAM), and i have no idea about the KB. Those are the specs from the 
factory, and it should help with determining if your machine has a DVD drive. 
Also, you can flip the drive door down and if theres a DVD logo there, you have 
a DVD drive. If not, you most likely have a CD-RW drive.
On Dec 21, 2009, at 5:28 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote:Mine is just blue side 
panels and front.I tried a OS 10 4 tiger and it won't read the disk.
Robert Long




I suspect that you B&W is not equipped with a DVD drive.
Larry






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RE: Upgrade my Ge

[Robert Long]

Hello guys and gals, here is what I found on my G3 Ser. SB913SWCG9DEthernet 
ID  *00 50 E4 D8 6A*310 mhz 512 k cache  64 mb sdram HD  CDrom
So you are right, no DVD but I have some good suggestions for which to install. 
 I'll pick up some more ram and then go from there.  I have a disk for Tiger 
10.4 and I am getting a OS 9.2 to load if I want or need to.  any other 
suggestions will be appreciated.  By the way, I am not to hot on mac info but 
if you cook, I am a retired chef and have some awesome recipes.

Robert Long



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Subject: RE: Upgrade my Ge
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:40:50 -0700








Thanks, I'll take a look

Robert Long



From: kasm...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Upgrade my Ge
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:24:16 -0700
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com


Try looking on the back, below the power plugs. There should be a sticker that 
has two barcodes and says something like 
400MHZ/1MB CACHE/64MB SDRAM/6GB HD/DVD-ROM/KB
This means that the machine has a 400MHz CPU, 1MB of CPU cache, 64MB of RAM, a 
6GB hard drive, a DVD-ROM drive (and a DVD decoder card on the video card, same 
with DVD-RAM), and i have no idea about the KB. Those are the specs from the 
factory, and it should help with determining if your machine has a DVD drive. 
Also, you can flip the drive door down and if theres a DVD logo there, you have 
a DVD drive. If not, you most likely have a CD-RW drive.
On Dec 21, 2009, at 5:28 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote:Mine is just blue side 
panels and front.I tried a OS 10 4 tiger and it won't read the disk.
Robert Long




I suspect that you B&W is not equipped with a DVD drive.
Larry






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Re: PCI _ SATA Controller cards

[gifutiger]

Greetings,

I have a G4 Power Mac AGP Graphics that I purchased new from Apple in
1999, 1.75Gb RAM Memory and an up-grade to a 1.25Ghz G4 processor.

I'm using the ACARD 6280M which seams to run just fine. I've had it
installed for about 2 years. However the 6280M doesn't accept any
external connections. It can only take two (2) internal SATA drives.

Cheers

Harry
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On Dec 21, 11:12 am, Len Gerstel  wrote:
> On Dec 21, 2009, at 1:56 PM, Clark Martin wrote:
>
>
>
> > toothgrisle wrote:
> >>    I'm looking for an PCI SATA controller card.
> snip
>
> > I have the SeriTek/1S2 in my GigaBit Ethernet G4.
>
> I have the same card in my Digital Audio. Works fine for me in 10.3, .
> 4 and .5. Bootable with no problems. I have a 1TB and a 500GB drive  
> hanging off of it.
>
> Someone mentioned the Rocket Raid 1520. That card is not bootable so  
> you would need to keep a pata drive hooked up for booting. Same with  
> any card that is not bootable. Since smaller ata drives are getting  
> long in the tooth and well past their warranties, I would go with a  
> bootable card and SATA drive and install X on it.
>
> re: PCI and PCI-X: I have tried a PCI X card in a regular PCI slot  
> and it worked fine. I BELIEVE that the PCI-X spec calls for cards to  
> be backward compatible with the standard PCI slots. Trust, but verify.
>
> SATA I vs II: AFAIK, there are no Mac compatible PCI (or -X) SATA II  
> cards, so the point is moot with respect to cards. Drives should fall  
> back to the slower speed of a SATA I card, so that should not be a  
> problem. The 1TB drive I have is a SATA II and I have had no problems  
> with it on the SeriTek 1S2 SATA I card,
>
> Len

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Re: User can't mount dmg files in 10.3.9

[Bruce Johnson]

On Dec 21, 2009, at 3:42 PM, Doug McNutt wrote:

> After a couple of days on the web and performing a dozen or so  
> recommendations including AppleJack, emptying system caches, and  
> editing the /etc/hostconfig file I was getting really upset.
>
> Today I set up a new user with no privileges and had him try  
> mounting a dmg file. No problem. A simple double click did it all.   
> But my administrator account still can't do it!
>
> Am I going stark raving mad?

No, but you DID find where your problems lie, which is in your Admin  
users's prefs somewhere. If it works for one user and not another,  
nothing in the system is at fault; which is why, of course, none of  
the above system-related fixes fixed anything.

I went looking through my user ~/Library/Preferences folder and found  
a number of files that have 'diskimages' in their name. Try trashing  
or moving these and seeing if things start working again.

This is why I always advocate having a test login just to check these  
sorts of things. You can quickly eliminate 50% of your system at a  
whack by trying things as a different user.

-- 
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University of Arizona
College of Pharmacy
Information Technology Group

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Re: Lost finder and desktop Indo

[Clark Martin]

Bruce Johnson wrote:
> On Dec 21, 2009, at 2:42 PM, BlackShark Films wrote:
> 
>> Hi All: I  Used Disk Warrior (on my MAc G4 notebook)  to clean up
>> some disc slowness
> 
> Don't do that. Disk Warrior does not 'fix some disk slowness'.
> 
> Disk Warrior is NOT a 'maintenance tool', any more than removing the  
> cylinder head and pistons and reboring the cylinders should be a  
> routine step in auto maintenance.
> 
> You can do it but the chances of catastrophic failure is vastly higher  
> than with just changing the oil.
> 
> DiskWarrior should be reserved for those times when you have major  
> directory issues that Disk Utility cannot repair. It is unlikely that  
> Disk Warrior could fix any 'slowness' in any case, as system lags and  
> such are typically caused by issues that DW doesn't even touch.

Back in the OS 9 epoch I run various disk utilites regularly (well often 
if not regular).  With OS X I only run Disk Utility's Disk Repair or 
Permission Repair if there is a specific problem.  Only if Disk Repair 
fails to fix things do I resort to Disk Warrior.

I think there have been two cases when Disk Repair didn't fix the 
problem.  In one case Disk Warrior fixed the problem.  In the other case 
DW tried and produced a whole mess of "recovered" files, most of which 
were junk.  In that case the iBook's disk controller broke and really 
trashed the drive.

> 
>> and somehow lost all my non MAc apps and desltop
>> screen. I am limited to Safari, calculator and MacMail. If I download
>> something like Quicktime update it goes through but i cannot see it.
>> I cannot use the finder and i cannot get to disk utility to repair
>> disc permissions or anything lke that. The apps appear in the dock
>> but they won't open.
> 
> It will be sub-optimal, but try running Permissions repair from the OS  
> installer disk.

OH, OH, Bruce recommended Permissions Repair.  THE END IS NEAR  :)

> 
> It might get you up to the point where things will work again enough  
> to finish the repair.
> 
> If that doesn't work, you're looking at an Archive&Install of the OS.
> 

Given the possibility of disk structure corruption I'd seriously 
consider backup then Nuke and Pave (Re-initializing the disk and a full 
install).

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User can't mount dmg files in 10.3.9

[Doug McNutt]

"error 95" "no mountable file systems"

is the error message and searching with Google on that pair of strings 
generates a bunch of postings and links to Apple knowledge-base offerings which 
explain that it's a known bug which "sometimes" can be fixed. It's found on 
10.3 and 10.4

On 6/24/09, Kris Tilford   posted on this list about a 
camera with a similar error message.

The machine is a Sawtooth G4 that I bought new. It has four monitors connected 
on ATI PCI cards. The first system on it was OS 9.

Last week I had a disk die and my CCC copy was on a 9 GiB partition, on another 
disk, that wouldn't run properly because there wasn't enough space on the disk 
for a swap file. It did work but slow as molasses in January.

I decided it had been long enough and used original OS 10.3.0 disks to do a 
fresh install on a fresh new 80 GiB disk. The installer took me to an update 
site for a compound update to 10.3.9 which I allowed to happen. On first 
startup I was sent to another compound security update which I also downloaded 
and ran the update from its  .dmg file.

I then copied  some, but not all, of the huge amount of data and applications 
from the backup disk. The only user was me with administrator privileges. My 
reason for staying with 10.3.9 is that I want to continue using my SE/30 file 
server that requires AppleTalk with AFS and ethernet. I enabled that and reset 
my default shell to tcsh using netinfo manager.

Things went well for a couple of days while I did maintenance I should have 
been doing for years. Probably 80% of my working files were discarded to be 
recoverable from CD-ROM if I ever really want them again. I had no trouble 
connecting to my SE/30 file server.

But. One piece of software I use - The Osmond printed circuit board CAD tool - 
was re-issued and I chose to install that from a newly downloaded  .dmg file. 
When I tried to mount the dmg file I got the error on the first line of this 
posting.  I soon discovered that I could not mount ANY dmg files, newly 
downloaded or from backup disks. They would mount easily on the lady's new X.6 
iMac.

After a couple of days on the web and performing a dozen or so recommendations 
including AppleJack, emptying system caches, and editing the /etc/hostconfig 
file I was getting really upset.

Today I set up a new user with no privileges and had him try mounting a dmg 
file. No problem. A simple double click did it all.  But my administrator 
account still can't do it!

Am I going stark raving mad?

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Re: Bluray revisited

[Clark Martin]

John Carmonne wrote:
> On Dec 21, 2009, at 8:04 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
> 
>> On Dec 20, 2009, at 8:09 PM, John Carmonne wrote:
>>

>>> Can I just buy a player and connect my monitor to it or do I have to  
>>> have aTV?
>>
>> You mentioned an HDMI connector? Then yes all you need is a player.

> Sounds pretty good to me, what about audio does the Bluray player connect to 
> my stereo.
> also can I play an image thru the player or is a disk necessary?

HDMI carries audio as well as video.  Either your display may have audio 
out or the player may have it you'd have to check the specific equipment.

"play an image thru (sic) the player"??  Some BluRay players now can 
stream video from some online sources, again you'd have to check the 
equipment.  If you mean can the player pass video from the computer 
through to the display then probably not.  But many TVs and monitors 
with HDMI inputs have multiple inputs so you could have the computer on 
one and the player on the other.


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Re: Upgrade my Ge

[Bruce Johnson]

On Dec 21, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Robert Long wrote:

>
> Thanks Bruce, I looked at mine it is just a CD no DVD but I am going  
> to put in one. Which is best in your advice to add??

Well, just about any ATA DVD-/+ R-RW is usable with OS X 10.4.11. You  
may have to to use PatchBurn to get it fully recognized for burning, 
.

New R/RW drives are about $35-$55 for ATA models.Geeks.com has a   
Hitachi 20X DVD +r DL drive for $34:





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power install guide

[b3buck]

Does anyone know of a site that will hold my hand for a powermac 8600
power supply replacement? Pictures prefered. I was returned a loaner
with a new tranny in hand. No idea how to hook up all the cables.
Thanks in advance..Buck

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Re: Lost finder and desktop Indo

[Bruce Johnson]

On Dec 21, 2009, at 2:42 PM, BlackShark Films wrote:

>
> Hi All: I  Used Disk Warrior (on my MAc G4 notebook)  to clean up
> some disc slowness

Don't do that. Disk Warrior does not 'fix some disk slowness'.

Disk Warrior is NOT a 'maintenance tool', any more than removing the  
cylinder head and pistons and reboring the cylinders should be a  
routine step in auto maintenance.

You can do it but the chances of catastrophic failure is vastly higher  
than with just changing the oil.

DiskWarrior should be reserved for those times when you have major  
directory issues that Disk Utility cannot repair. It is unlikely that  
Disk Warrior could fix any 'slowness' in any case, as system lags and  
such are typically caused by issues that DW doesn't even touch.

> and somehow lost all my non MAc apps and desltop
> screen. I am limited to Safari, calculator and MacMail. If I download
> something like Quicktime update it goes through but i cannot see it.
> I cannot use the finder and i cannot get to disk utility to repair
> disc permissions or anything lke that. The apps appear in the dock
> but they won't open.

It will be sub-optimal, but try running Permissions repair from the OS  
installer disk.

It might get you up to the point where things will work again enough  
to finish the repair.

If that doesn't work, you're looking at an Archive&Install of the OS.

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Re: Bluray revisited

[Kris Tilford]

On Dec 21, 2009, at 3:14 PM, Arnel Tuazon wrote:

> As Bruce was saying all you need is the stand-a-lone player  
> connected to
> your screen via HDMI.

I believe you can also use a DVI-to-HDMI adapter cable from a computer  
to a TV, but since there is no Blu-ray player for PPC Macs, this would  
only work with a PC, and you'd need separate cables for sound.

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Re: Lost finder and desktop Indo

[Kasey Smith]

well, it looks like reinstall time...
On Dec 21, 2009, at 2:42 PM, BlackShark Films wrote:

>
> Hi All: I  Used Disk Warrior (on my MAc G4 notebook)  to clean up  
> some disc slowness and somehow lost all my non MAc apps and desltop  
> screen. I am limited to Safari, calculator and MacMail. If I  
> download something like Quicktime update it goes through but i  
> cannot see it. I cannot use the finder and i cannot get to disk  
> utility to repair disc permissions or anything lke that. The apps  
> appear in the dock but they won't open.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> André Stark
>  Lost Finder

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RE: Upgrade my Ge

[Robert Long]

Thanks Bruce, I looked at mine it is just a CD no DVD but I am going to put in 
one. Which is best in your advice to add??

Robert Long



> From: john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu
> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Upgrade my Ge
> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:11:34 -0700
> 
> 
> On Dec 20, 2009, at 8:25 PM, Robert Long wrote:
> 
> >
> > Mine is just blue side panels and front.I tried a OS 10 4 tiger  
> > and it won't read the disk.
> 
> You have a so-called 'Blue&White' G3 Mac; you can install 10.4 on it  
> but if you cannot read the disk, you may have the CDRW-only optical  
> drive, the 10.4 disk is a DVD.
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Lost finder and desktop Indo

[BlackShark Films]

Hi All: I  Used Disk Warrior (on my MAc G4 notebook)  to clean up  
some disc slowness and somehow lost all my non MAc apps and desltop  
screen. I am limited to Safari, calculator and MacMail. If I download  
something like Quicktime update it goes through but i cannot see it.  
I cannot use the finder and i cannot get to disk utility to repair  
disc permissions or anything lke that. The apps appear in the dock  
but they won't open.

Sincerely,

André Stark
  Lost Finder





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RE: Upgrade my Ge

[Robert Long]

Thanks, I'll take a look

Robert Long



From: kasm...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Upgrade my Ge
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:24:16 -0700
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Try looking on the back, below the power plugs. There should be a sticker that 
has two barcodes and says something like 
400MHZ/1MB CACHE/64MB SDRAM/6GB HD/DVD-ROM/KB
This means that the machine has a 400MHz CPU, 1MB of CPU cache, 64MB of RAM, a 
6GB hard drive, a DVD-ROM drive (and a DVD decoder card on the video card, same 
with DVD-RAM), and i have no idea about the KB. Those are the specs from the 
factory, and it should help with determining if your machine has a DVD drive. 
Also, you can flip the drive door down and if theres a DVD logo there, you have 
a DVD drive. If not, you most likely have a CD-RW drive.
On Dec 21, 2009, at 5:28 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote:Mine is just blue side 
panels and front.I tried a OS 10 4 tiger and it won't read the disk.
Robert Long




I suspect that you B&W is not equipped with a DVD drive.
Larry






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Re: Bluray revisited

[Arnel Tuazon]

On 21/12/09 3:59 PM, "John Carmonne"  wrote:

> 
> On Dec 21, 2009, at 8:04 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

>> 
>> You mentioned an HDMI connector? Then yes all you need is a player.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> Sounds pretty good to me, what about audio does the Bluray player connect to
> my stereo.
> also can I play an image thru the player or is a disk necessary?

As Bruce was saying all you need is the stand-a-lone player connected to
your screen via HDMI.  IF your screen has built-in speakers then no you do
not need external speakers, the HDMI connection should be able to carry the
sound as well.  However if you want that "theatre" experience then just
connect the audio out from the player to a decent sound system.


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Re: Bluray revisited

[Bruce Johnson]

On Dec 21, 2009, at 1:59 PM, John Carmonne wrote:

> Sounds pretty good to me, what about audio does the Bluray player  
> connect to my stereo.

Depends on the player but yeah most have at least component audio out.  
If your monitor has speakers, the HDMI input carries audio as well.  
See the manual that comes with the blu-ray player.

This is going wy off topic as now we're simply talking about AV  
equipment, one piece of which happens to also be connected to your Mac  
as it's monitor.

> also can I play an image thru the player or is a disk necessary?

?? Not sure what you mean here.

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Re: Bluray revisited

[John Carmonne]

On Dec 21, 2009, at 8:04 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

> 
> On Dec 20, 2009, at 8:09 PM, John Carmonne wrote:
> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> Can I just buy a player and connect my monitor to it or do I have to  
>> have aTV?
> 
> 
> You mentioned an HDMI connector? Then yes all you need is a player.
> 
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> 
> 
Sounds pretty good to me, what about audio does the Bluray player connect to my 
stereo.
also can I play an image thru the player or is a disk necessary?
John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA

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Re: Upgrade my Ge

[Kasey Smith]

Try looking on the back, below the power plugs. There should be a  
sticker that has two barcodes and says something like

400MHZ/1MB CACHE/64MB SDRAM/6GB HD/DVD-ROM/KB

This means that the machine has a 400MHz CPU, 1MB of CPU cache, 64MB  
of RAM, a 6GB hard drive, a DVD-ROM drive (and a DVD decoder card on  
the video card, same with DVD-RAM), and i have no idea about the KB.  
Those are the specs from the factory, and it should help with  
determining if your machine has a DVD drive. Also, you can flip the  
drive door down and if theres a DVD logo there, you have a DVD drive.  
If not, you most likely have a CD-RW drive.

On Dec 21, 2009, at 5:28 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote:

> Mine is just blue side panels and front.I tried a OS 10 4 tiger  
> and it won't read the disk.
> Robert Long
>
>
>
>
> I suspect that you B&W is not equipped with a DVD drive.
>
> Larry

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Re: PCI _ SATA Controller cards

[Len Gerstel]

On Dec 21, 2009, at 1:56 PM, Clark Martin wrote:

> toothgrisle wrote:
>>I'm looking for an PCI SATA controller card.
snip
>
> I have the SeriTek/1S2 in my GigaBit Ethernet G4.

I have the same card in my Digital Audio. Works fine for me in 10.3, . 
4 and .5. Bootable with no problems. I have a 1TB and a 500GB drive  
hanging off of it.

Someone mentioned the Rocket Raid 1520. That card is not bootable so  
you would need to keep a pata drive hooked up for booting. Same with  
any card that is not bootable. Since smaller ata drives are getting  
long in the tooth and well past their warranties, I would go with a  
bootable card and SATA drive and install X on it.

re: PCI and PCI-X: I have tried a PCI X card in a regular PCI slot  
and it worked fine. I BELIEVE that the PCI-X spec calls for cards to  
be backward compatible with the standard PCI slots. Trust, but verify.

SATA I vs II: AFAIK, there are no Mac compatible PCI (or -X) SATA II  
cards, so the point is moot with respect to cards. Drives should fall  
back to the slower speed of a SATA I card, so that should not be a  
problem. The 1TB drive I have is a SATA II and I have had no problems  
with it on the SeriTek 1S2 SATA I card,

Len

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Re: PCI _ SATA Controller cards

[Clark Martin]

toothgrisle wrote:
>I'm looking for an PCI SATA controller card.
>Most of the options that I've come across do not support OS 10.3,
> and even the "factory page" varies on more than a few of them relative
> to this.  Perhaps I need to know what works, instead of what is
> "supported"?
>I have three Mac G4s, two Quicksilver @ 867MHz, and a Firewire 800/
> Mirrored Door Drive @ 1 GHz, that I would like to expand the storage
> on with SATA drives (also to get around the HD size limits on the
> Quicksilver of 128 GB).  Most specs PCI and PCI-X.  I'm pretty sure
> neither of these models have PSI-X slots, but most of the PCI-X
> controller cards seem to be backward compatible to PCI.
>  I am running OS X 10.3.9 in one Quicksilver and OS X 10.4.11 in
> the other, and will be running OS X 10.3.9 in the Mirrored Door
> Drive.  Some also state that they do not support booting.  Does that
> mean that I will still have to keep at least one PATA drive in to boot
> the OS from?  And, lastly, Will I have to be careful about what kind
> of SATA drives I get to install, since I don't quite understand the
> SATA or SATA II complexity.
>   So what's a cheap solution for installing SATA drives in an QS
> (pre-2002)?   A PCI SATA   
> controller card?   Which one works good.. personal experience please..

I have the SeriTek/1S2 in my GigaBit Ethernet G4.  According to their 
specs it supports:

Mac OS 8.xx to Mac OS 9.xx
Mac OS X version 10.2 or later

I am using it with Tiger, I never ran Panther on that machine.

It's feature list says it supports booting.  I'm not doing that myself.

I'm using it with a 1 Tb and 750 Gb drive.

It was simple to install and use and I've never had any trouble with it.

My only problem with it is I'm looking to add more drives so I need more 
ports.



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Re: PCI _ SATA Controller cards

[Brett M. Roby]

>From what I can tell, Sonnet makes a great PCI SATA card. One I¹ve recently
been trying to procure is the RocketRAID 1520, which is a 2-port internal
PCI SATA card. I believe all or most are compatible with 10.2 and up,
although that¹s just going off of memory and I don¹t have data to back that
up. I¹m looking to find these inexpensively, but they¹re just not cheap. You
can get them off eBay (used and new) for varying prices, starting at about
$25 or so.


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>I'm looking for an PCI SATA controller card.
>Most of the options that I've come across do not support OS 10.3,
> and even the "factory page" varies on more than a few of them relative
> to this.  Perhaps I need to know what works, instead of what is
> "supported"?
>I have three Mac G4s, two Quicksilver @ 867MHz, and a Firewire 800/
> Mirrored Door Drive @ 1 GHz, that I would like to expand the storage
> on with SATA drives (also to get around the HD size limits on the
> Quicksilver of 128 GB).  Most specs PCI and PCI-X.  I'm pretty sure
> neither of these models have PSI-X slots, but most of the PCI-X
> controller cards seem to be backward compatible to PCI.
>  I am running OS X 10.3.9 in one Quicksilver and OS X 10.4.11 in
> the other, and will be running OS X 10.3.9 in the Mirrored Door
> Drive.  Some also state that they do not support booting.  Does that
> mean that I will still have to keep at least one PATA drive in to boot
> the OS from?  And, lastly, Will I have to be careful about what kind
> of SATA drives I get to install, since I don't quite understand the
> SATA or SATA II complexity.
>   So what's a cheap solution for installing SATA drives in an QS
> (pre-2002)?   A PCI SATA   
> controller card?   Which one works good.. personal experience please..
>  
> 
>  Many thanks,
>  Robert C
>  P. O. Box 265
>  Mount Crawford, VA


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PCI _ SATA Controller cards

[toothgrisle]

   I'm looking for an PCI SATA controller card.
   Most of the options that I've come across do not support OS 10.3,
and even the "factory page" varies on more than a few of them relative
to this.  Perhaps I need to know what works, instead of what is
"supported"?
   I have three Mac G4s, two Quicksilver @ 867MHz, and a Firewire 800/
Mirrored Door Drive @ 1 GHz, that I would like to expand the storage
on with SATA drives (also to get around the HD size limits on the
Quicksilver of 128 GB).  Most specs PCI and PCI-X.  I'm pretty sure
neither of these models have PSI-X slots, but most of the PCI-X
controller cards seem to be backward compatible to PCI.
 I am running OS X 10.3.9 in one Quicksilver and OS X 10.4.11 in
the other, and will be running OS X 10.3.9 in the Mirrored Door
Drive.  Some also state that they do not support booting.  Does that
mean that I will still have to keep at least one PATA drive in to boot
the OS from?  And, lastly, Will I have to be careful about what kind
of SATA drives I get to install, since I don't quite understand the
SATA or SATA II complexity.
  So what's a cheap solution for installing SATA drives in an QS
(pre-2002)?   A PCI SATA   
controller card?   Which one works good.. personal experience please..
 

 Many thanks,
 Robert C
 P. O. Box 265
 Mount Crawford, VA

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Re: Firefox

[Dan]

At 1:40 AM -0600 12/21/2009, Stephen Conrad wrote:
>Does anyone else notice that if you have Firefox automatically check 
>for Add-on updates that it makes it unresponsive whenever it finds 
>any?
>I finally turned this feature off and hope this helps.

It just did it to me.  3.6b5.

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Re: Burning music

[Dana Collins]

On 12/21/09 11:09 AM, Bruce Johnson of john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu sent

> 
> On Dec 21, 2009, at 8:58 AM, Paul Stamsen wrote:
> 
>> I have burned some songs to disks  and they play fine in a portable
>> CD player (Walkman, kinda) but they will not play in my car -
>> although regular music disks do.
>> 
>> What am I missing?
> 
> 
> 
> two main possibilities.
> 
> 1) It's a disk full of MP3 files. Some cd players play them, some do
> not. Many will have some small MP3 logo on them if they do. If it's an
> older CD player in the car it may not play anything but audio CD's.
> 
> 2) It's a a REALLY old CD player in the car and it doesn't like
> recordable CD's. If they're CDRW's, try plain CDR's,

(point)

> or a different brand of CDR's.

Avoid Memorex like the plague - my 2¢ worth.

- Dana


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Re: Burning music

[Dana Collins]

On 12/21/09 10:58 AM, Paul Stamsen of pjs...@bresnan.net sent

> I have burned some songs to disks  and they play fine in a portable CD player
> (Walkman, kinda) but they will not play in my car - although regular music
> disks do.
> 
> What am I missing?
> 
>  P.

Hi Paul,
What year is your car? I have found the difference in OEM-installed CD
players (re: cross compatibility) between the years 2003 to 2005 to be quite
critical, with 2003 demonstrating your symptoms quite consistently.
Best regards,
Dana


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Re: Upgrade my Ge

[Bruce Johnson]

On Dec 20, 2009, at 8:25 PM, Robert Long wrote:

>
> Mine is just blue side panels and front.I tried a OS 10 4 tiger  
> and it won't read the disk.

You have a so-called 'Blue&White' G3 Mac; you can install 10.4 on it  
but if you cannot read the disk, you may have the CDRW-only optical  
drive, the 10.4 disk is a DVD.

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Re: Burning music

[Bruce Johnson]

On Dec 21, 2009, at 8:58 AM, Paul Stamsen wrote:

> I have burned some songs to disks  and they play fine in a portable  
> CD player (Walkman, kinda) but they will not play in my car -  
> although regular music disks do.
>
> What am I missing?



two main possibilities.

1) It's a disk full of MP3 files. Some cd players play them, some do  
not. Many will have some small MP3 logo on them if they do. If it's an  
older CD player in the car it may not play anything but audio CD's.

2) It's a a REALLY old CD player in the car and it doesn't like  
recordable CD's. If they're CDRW's, try plain CDR's, or a different  
brand of CDR's.

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University of Arizona
College of Pharmacy
Information Technology Group

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Re: Burning music

[Dennis Myhand]

Paul Stamsen wrote:
> I have burned some songs to disks  and they play fine in a portable CD player 
> (Walkman, kinda) but they will not play in my car - although regular music 
> disks do.
> 
> What am I missing?
> 
>  P.

Some automotive CD players will not handle .mp3 files.  How did you burn 
the songs to disk?  Sometimes, depending on the picky-ness of the 
player, I have found it necessary to convert .mp3 files into .wav files 
and then burn them as an audio CD.  Again, what format are the files on 
the disk you burned?  Peace, Dennis

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Re: Bluray revisited

[Bruce Johnson]

On Dec 20, 2009, at 8:09 PM, John Carmonne wrote:

>>
>>
> Can I just buy a player and connect my monitor to it or do I have to  
> have aTV?


You mentioned an HDMI connector? Then yes all you need is a player.

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Burning music

[Paul Stamsen]

I have burned some songs to disks  and they play fine in a portable CD player 
(Walkman, kinda) but they will not play in my car - although regular music 
disks do.

What am I missing?

 P.
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FYI:Fan on video board.

[Norm Rowe]

FYI: ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
My video became almost unreadable. After doing some trouble shooting I
discovered that the fan on the ATI mac pro video board was rubbing on
the heat sink. Disassembled and remounted the fan and all is well. 
Just some I hope useful information.
Norm






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RE: Upgrade my Ge

[Robert Long]

Larry, I think you are right.  One of the next things on my list is another 
drive with DVD w & rw. More memory and then open to all suggestions. 

Robert Long



Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 07:28:36 -0500
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
From: lde...@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Upgrade my Ge




RE: Upgrade my Ge
Mine is just blue side panels and front.I
tried a OS 10 4 tiger and it won't read the disk.


Robert Long










I suspect that you B&W is not equipped with a DVD
drive.


Larry






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RE: Upgrade my Ge

[Lawrence David Eden]

Mine is just blue side panels and front.I tried a OS 10 4 tiger 
and it won't read the disk.

Robert Long





I suspect that you B&W is not equipped with a DVD drive.

Larry

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Re: Address book transfer

[JOHN CARMONNE]

On Dec 20, 2009, at 7:37 PM, Brett M. Roby wrote:

>> Thank you Brett it all seems so simple now. I do
>> appreciate the other suggestions as well
>> at least I know where some more things are stored and
>> how they're accessed.
>> John Carmonne
>> Yorba Linda USA
>>
>> 25 kids all named Mac
>
> --
>
> No problem. I'm glad I could help. I'm actually going to
> be doing this myself soon.
>
Be careful of this, it works great but I think I found a gotcha
like Dan said. It seemed to wipe out addresses that I need for my
mail account. Thank goodness for Time Machine. It's probably due
to not having a separate book for my fax numbers and the mail addresses.
I have to learn how to do that.

John  wtmm

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